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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCGOBEARS View Post
    Quite the statement Ethan Young is making.
    'Red' state up bringing..Georgia. Someone need to remind him, no furd color on campus

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    Roster/schedule update

    The new roster is up. (Should be converted over to the main roster page once they get the new pictures from ISI uploaded.)

    Some thoughts on new members of the team:
    • As previously mentioned, Andrea Vergani (previous commit from Italy/Bolles School) is not listed on the roster. Does anyone know if he decided to go elsewhere?
    • We have instead a new international freshman, Ivan Grigorishin from Ukraine/Moscow 57. Looks promising.
    • We also have an intriguing water polo convert, Spencer Farrar, who transferred this year from UCLA.
    • Finally, we have a diver, Connor Callahan, from the well-known Duke Diving Club, who produced numerous OT finalists, such as Abby Johnston, Jordan Windle, and Toby Stanley. Looks like he's a good springboard diver (then again, Finn Scribbick was also more known as a springboard diver before his platform breakthrough at Cal.)
    • One question about the diving is whether many of the incoming freshmen were recruited by Mulzet, and were surprised by the coaching change. It's hard to get out of an LOI once signed. I hope these freshmen love it at Cal and will stay with the program.


    Also, the schedule isn't officially yet listed on Calbears.com. However, the calendar file that you can sync to Outlook/Google Calendar/iCal/etc. has the following (using UAC's format). So, mark October 7th on your calendars for the first home meet.

    Fri, 7 Oct • Pacific @ Berkeley, CA (1:00 p.m.)

    Fri, 21 Oct • Pacific Invitational @ Stockton, CA (7:00 p.m.)

    Wed, 2 Nov • Stanford (Triple Distance Meet) @ Stanford, CA (2:00 pm)

    2-4 Dec • Georgia Fall Invitational @ Athens, GA

    Fri, 20 Jan • Arizona @ Tucson, AZ (unconfirmed)

    Sat, 21 Jan • Arizona State @ Tempe, AZ (12:00 p.m.)

    Fri, 3 Feb • USC @ Berkeley, CA (2:00 p.m.)

    Sat, 18 Feb • Stanford @ Berkeley, CA

    1-4 Mar • Pac-12 Championships @ Federal Way, WA

    22-25 Mar • NCAA Division 1 Championships @ IUPUI, IN

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    Albert Gwo?

    Maybe they are still updating the roster but don't see Albert Gwo..yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OBear073akaSMFan View Post
    Maybe they are still updating the roster but don't see Albert Gwo..yet.
    I think he's on campus (he's listed in the UC Berkeley Directory), but the Athletics database is probably incomplete. (Same situation with Maddie Murphy on the women's team.) Maybe that's why they hide the new roster page for a few days, to spot any errors and correct them before the page is promoted.

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    Really great finds there!

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    Had noticed Spencer when he had made several appearances on the field during the pre-game festivities at the home opener v. the Horns (with a spot of help from Abbey apparently lol), and noted that he played water polo player for the Bruins last year in his freshman year, but hadn't realised at the time that he's now on Dave's team!

    Below w/Long & Missy's bf:


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    Couldn't find an awful lot of info on Ivan (maybe cos I really suck when it comes to deciphering the Cyrillic script!)...wonder if he's this person in the photo below?



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    Here's Connor with some of his fellow diving froskis, Rachel & Maggie:



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    BearDevil, beaverbear et al are the founts of swim wisdom on this board who regularly dispense useful factoids & such, whilst I am a sucker for just posting the fluffy photos haha, so here's one of frosh Karl & Ethan:



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    A couple of other observations:

    1) Janardin Burns has apparently decided not to swim his final his final year of eligibility. His parents told me last year that Janardin was focusing on academics. Good for him.
    Janardin scored points at Pac 12s last year and competed at NCAAs in the distant free events.

    2) David Puczkowski who scored in the 100 back and 200 back at Pac 12s is not listed on the roster. Perhaps this is just a roster error, but if not, with the graduation of Jacob Pebley and Jermie DeZwirek we lose backstroke depth if David has moved on.

    3) Harrison Thai who was on the 2015-2016 roster as a junior but did not swim is not listed on the 2016-2017 roster.

  7. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by dgong View Post
    A couple of other observations:

    1) Janardin Burns has apparently decided not to swim his final his final year of eligibility. His parents told me last year that Janardin was focusing on academics. Good for him.
    Janardin scored points at Pac 12s last year and competed at NCAAs in the distant free events.

    2) David Puczkowski who scored in the 100 back and 200 back at Pac 12s is not listed on the roster. Perhaps this is just a roster error, but if not, with the graduation of Jacob Pebley and Jermie DeZwirek we lose backstroke depth if David has moved on.

    3) Harrison Thai who was on the 2015-2016 roster as a junior but did not swim is not listed on the 2016-2017 roster.
    Thanks for the notes. I remember you mentioning that Janardan was applying to law school, and that training for the longer races took up too much time. I saw that he didn't swim at Trials, so maybe NCAAs was his final meet. Also, the senior class was hit hard by attrition ---- Janardan, Harrison, Sven Campbell.

    However, David would be more surprising to me. He swam all summer through Trials, and was even interviewed on video (you can find these on the Cal Athletics Youtube) as part of the Trials series.

    The men's team is large in numbers, and with limited scholarships available (9.9 total, spread among the 25+ team members), it's really hard to keep going in swimming when the academics and/or injuries start ramping up.

  8. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by beaverbear View Post
    Some thoughts on new members of the team:
    • Finally, we have a diver, Connor Callahan, from the well-known Duke Diving Club, who produced numerous OT finalists, such as Abby Johnston, Jordan Windle, and Toby Stanley. Looks like he's a good springboard diver (then again, Finn Scribbick was also more known as a springboard diver before his platform breakthrough at Cal.)
    • One question about the diving is whether many of the incoming freshmen were recruited by Mulzet, and were surprised by the coaching change. It's hard to get out of an LOI once signed. I hope these freshmen love it at Cal and will stay with the program.
    Dunno how highly recruited Connor was, but Durden's recruiting strategy for divers intrigues me. Men's teams have less scholly money than women's, but Durden's teams often overqualify for NCAAs and have left projected swim scorers home (in favor of relay swimmers).

    With new diving facilities in place, makes sense for Teri to add divers since her team never approaches 18 swim qualifiers.

    Durden's calculus is more difficult. Should probably spend every every two years to ensure always having a high end spring boarder and a platform diver on the team. Spring boarders are more valuable since they can potentially score 40 points @ NCAAs and only count 0.5 against the 18 cap.

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    "The men's team is large in numbers, and with limited scholarships available (9.9 total, spread among the 25+ team members), it's really hard to keep going in swimming when the academics and/or injuries start ramping up."

    Agreed. Cal academic demands are no joke, as well as normal swimmer's burn-out. Kyle Gornay was our top rated recruit in our 2014 but left the team after one year.

    That's why I am so impressed by guys like Ryan Murphy, Josh Prenot* and Seth Stubblefield who have success at both athletics and academics.

    * We are really going to miss Prenot. He was an NCAA stud.

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    College Swimming Previews


    #10 Auburn Men Hunts Postseason Consistency: https://swimswam.com/college-swimmin...n-consistency/

    Sprinters, Breaststrokers Lead #9 Indiana Men: https://swimswam.com/college-swimmin...ead-9-indiana/

    #8 Missouri Men Look To Stick In Top 10: https://swimswam.com/college-swimmin...-stick-top-10/

    Relay Rebuild Incoming For #7 Tennessee Look To Stick In Top 10: https://swimswam.com/college-swimmin...tennessee-men/

    One Big Loss For The #6 Alabama Men: https://swimswam.com/college-swimmin...6-alabama-men/

    Athens IM Factory For #5 Georgia Men: https://swimswam.com/college-swimmin...5-georgia-men/

    #4 NC State Men Continue Meteoric Rise: https://swimswam.com/college-swimmin...meteoric-rise/

    Dressel-Rooney Team-Up For #3 Florida Men: https://swimswam.com/college-swimmin...3-florida-men/

    #2 Cal Men Reload With Killer Class: https://swimswam.com/college-swimmin...-killer-class/

    #1 Texas Men Wrangling Threepeat Dynasty: https://swimswam.com/college-swimmin...epeat-dynasty/


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    Look-back at 2013-2016 NCAA Championships

    I'm sharing some statistics from the 2013 through 2016 NCAA Division I Men's Swimming and Diving Championships, in hopes that we'll gain some insight into how a title-winning team is constructed.

    The basic facts are that 4,030 points are available for distribution throughout the meet. A finals placings are awarded as follows: 20-17-16-15-14-13-12-11. B finals placings are awarded as follows: 9-7-6-5-4-3-2-1. Relays are scored double.

    As a reminder, Cal placed:
    • 2013 - 2nd (to Michigan)
    • 2014 - 1st (over Texas)
    • 2015 - 2nd (to Texas)
    • 2016 - 2nd (to Texas)


    During the last quad:
    • The winning team scored an average of 502 points. Of these, 326 points are individual and 176 points are relay. 14 scorers contributed to this total.
    • The second place team scored an average of 393 points. Of these, 245 points are individual and 148 points are relay. 12 scorers contributed to this total.
    • Although the men's team is restricted to a maximum of 9.9 scholarships, the top two teams have consistently brought ~17 swimmers and divers to the championship.


    During Cal's 2014 title run:
    • 13 scorers contributed 289 individual points and 180 relay points.
    • 4 (Murphy, Prenot, Stubblefield, Katis) contributed the equivalent of 3 A final placings, for a total of 154 points.
    • 4 (Bagshaw, Tarczynski, Cox, Pebley) contributed the equivalent of 2 A final placings, for a total of 94 points.


    During Cal's other three years, on average:
    • 11 scorers contributed a total of 240 individual points.
    • Team progressively (over the 4 years) relied more and more on 3-4 top scorers (going from 38% in 2013 to 82% in 2016 of all individual points scored)
    • One relay might be "sub-par" (e.g., B final appearance or DQ)
    • Michigan won in 2013 on the combined strength of distance + relays.
    • Texas won in 2015 and 2016 on the combined strength of diving + mid-tier scorers stepping up.


    As an easy rule-of-thumb, a winning team needs about 300 individual points and 175 relay points. The ceiling for 5 A final relays is 200 points, and the floor is 110 points. I believe that this year, it is possible for us to do it if we have a full team of 18 swimmers/divers, distributed as follows:
    • 3 swimmers scoring >33 points each
    • 4 swimmers scoring 22-32 points each
    • 5 swimmers scoring 11-21 points each
    • 6 swimmers scoring some points

    Naturally, the more swimmers that move up in categories, the better! We should also aim for at least top-3 finishes in every relay, with a couple of wins.

    Feel free to chime in with your thoughts (or suggestions on additional stats to analyze).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HBear View Post
    The previews of the "top 10" teams on both the men's and women's sides are not their predictions for 2017 NCAA results but are based on teams' finishes at the 2016 meet.
    Check out the linked-to SwimSwam article below to read the detailed analysis & assessment by Lauren Neidigh (can't reproduce the full body of the article here due to the board limit on post size).


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    College Swimming Previews


    #2 Cal Men Reload With Killer Class


    The Bears will be capitalizing off a very talented freshman class this season, and look like they've got a ton of depth for the relays. Archive Photo via Tim Binning/TheSwimPictures.com


    Key Losses: Josh Prenot (54 NCAA points, 1 NCAA relay), Jacob Pebley (33 NCAA points, 1 NCAA relay), Tyler Messerschmidt (3 NCAA relays), Trent Williams (12 NCAA points, 1 NCAA relay)

    Key Additions: Matt Josa (fly/free/IM), Michael Jensen (sprint/mid free), ‘Aukai Lileikis (sprint/mid free), Ethan Young (back), Jack Xie (fly/breast/IM), Andrea Vergani (sprint/mid free), Albert Gwo (sprint free), Pawel Sendyk (sprint free/fly)


    SPRINT FREE: A-

    DISTANCE FREE: B+

    IM: A

    BUTTERFLY: A+

    BACKSTROKE: A

    BREASTSTROKE: B+


    2016-17 OUTLOOK:

    The Bears will be capitalizing off a very talented freshman class this season, and look like they’ve got a ton of depth for the relays. After finishing 2nd to Texas the last 2 years in a row, they’ll be looking to return to the top at NCAAs, but the Longhorns will be incredibly hard to beat. A boost from Cal’s breaststrokers and distance freestylers would go a long way in helping them achieve that goal.




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    Cal men’s swim diving into a new year against Pacific at home




    http://www.dailycal.org/2016/10/05/c...-pacific-home/


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  14. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by beaverbear View Post
    I think he's on campus (he's listed in the UC Berkeley Directory), but the Athletics database is probably incomplete. (Same situation with Maddie Murphy on the women's team.) Maybe that's why they hide the new roster page for a few days, to spot any errors and correct them before the page is promoted.
    OK, something is definitely up with Albert Gwo. All summer, and even earlier this Fall, Albert Gwo was listed in the UC Berkeley (campus) directory and his Instagram bio had something about Cal swimming:


    That means, at some point, he had completed registration papers at UC Berkeley. Something must have changed very recently. (For example, even Cierra Runge was listed in the UC Berkeley directory all last year, despite having already withdrawn from the university. She's not there any more.) Neither is Albert Gwo. And, his Instagram bio was recently updated to remove the UC Berkeley info.

    What caused him to completely withdraw from school (this is different from a leave of absence)?

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    Hopefully someone planning to attend tomorrow's dual v. the Pacific Tigers can confirm Albert & Andrea's absences, maybe even ask someone from the men's team/coaching staff about this? (assuming they would be willing to divulge the details!)

    Should be a great meet, get to check out all the exciting froskis, cheer on Murph & the seniors in their last season, etc.

    Would love to stop by Spieker but unfortunately I'm no longer based in the Bay Area - dgong, longseeker, you guys going?




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