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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by BearDevil View Post
    https://swimswam.com/dakota-luther-d...xas-6a-states/

    Would be tough to beat the 'Whorns for an Austin recruit, but Dakota Luther is an excellent flyer. Pretty amazing that Vollmer's 100 Fly record lasted so long.

    Lucie Nordmann would also be a good get as a sprinter. At the very least, hope they split between UT and A&M.
    Thanks BD - some speedy aka record-breaking swims indeed by our 2018 Texan recruits over the weekend - Julia Cook (#1 TX, #3 Nat), Lucie Nordmann (#2 TX, #7 Nat), Dakota Luther (#3 TX, #8 Nat):


    Dakota, Lucie, Anya (sorry couldn't find a recent photo of all 3 TX recruits together, so 2 out of the 3 will have to do for here, i.e. no Julia)

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    JULIA COOK BREAKS TWO TEXAS STATE RECORDS AT CLASS 5A CHAMPIONSHIPS

    https://swimswam.com/julia-cook-brea...championships/


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    Meanwhile, National Junior Team Camp 2017 is in session this week up @ the OTC.



    "owleyes" courtesy of Katie McL & Leah Smith originally lol



    VIDEO => https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram...55538944_n.mp4


    Think I see Eva Merrell, Zoe Bartel ... Isabel Ivey, Alex Walsh & Regan Smith, in the pretty blurry video above. Also Grace Ariola, Ruby Martin, Anya Goeders, Brooke Forde, Sierra Schmidt, Joy Field?

    Have heard that Lucie Nordmann, Morgan Tankersley, Madison Homovich, Alex Sumner (#1 PA, #29 Nat), Kensey McMahon (#8 FL, #86 Nat) etc are all up in Colorado Springs too.

    These 2017 commits are known participants, in addition to Brooke, Sierra & Joy as mentioned above: Marta Ciesla & Courtney Harnish...along with baby Ryan Hoffer & Daniel Carr.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UrsusArctosCalifornicus View Post
    at a lower profile club invite, #1 ranked 2020 recruit Regan Smith
    Over the weekend (30 March - 2 Apr), Regan also put her long course prowess on display at Speedo Sectionals in Indy: 59.74 (100m Back) & 2:09.79 (200m Back). Both times are lifetime bests by quite a bit!




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    Lakeville swimmer Regan Smith, the Riptide Rocket, has Olympic dreams


    Regan Smith takes a break from practice at Riptide Swim Club in Apple Valley on Monday, Dec. 19. 2016. Smith set two national swimming records for 13 and 14-year-old women at the USA Swimming Speedo Junior Nationals in College Station, Texas in early Dec. 2016. Smith, of Lakeville, also set nine Minnesota records for 13-14-year-old women. (Special to the Pioneer Press: Nick Kelly)


    She competed in the U.S. Olympic Trials this summer, finishing 12th in the semifinals of the 100 backstroke. Veteran Olympians Missy Franklin and Natalie Coughlin, who have a combined 17 Olympic medals, also swam in that race.

    “She is following a similar path (to Franklin),” Parratto said. “That doesn’t guarantee anything for the future, but it looks pretty good.”


    http://www.twincities.com/2016/12/23...lympic-dreams/


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    Last edited by UrsusArctosCalifornicus; 04-04-2017 at 08:13 AM. Reason: Regan

  2. #32
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    Eva Merrell: CO �� ����


    Eva & Daniel Carr


    https://www.instagram.com/p/BQyMOD3BInH/


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    Eva => 2018 baby ??

    Note to Daniel - pls keep working on recruiting Eva...

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  3. #33

    Emma Muzzy & Olivia Bray

    Quote Originally Posted by UrsusArctosCalifornicus View Post
    Reckon #23 Emma Muzzy, an OBear discovery (thx ), should also be considered as she may be one of Teri's targets: https://www.collegeswimming.com/swimmer/509286/
    Emma is now ranked #4 in the Class of 2018, thanks partly to her swim exploits at the 2017 ISCA Junior Championship Cup last week:

    100 Back - 52.65 (would have earned a 2017 NCAA invite)
    200 Back - 1:53.38 (would have earned a 2017 NCAA invite)

    Coming up in the ranks with even greater alacrity is Virginia Gators teammate Olivia Bray:


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    15-YEAR-OLD OLIVIA BRAY RECORDS MONSTER WEEKEND, GOES 51.4/1:54.2 FLY


    Whittney Hamilton, Caroline Kulp, Olivia Bray, Emma Muzzy


    Time Drops

    EVENT | OLD PR | NEW PR | TIME DROP
    50 free | 23.25 | 23.19 | -.06
    100 free | 51.44 | 49.95 | -1.49
    200 free | 1:48.26 | 1:46.37 | -1.89
    50 back | 25.49 | 24.22 | -1.27
    100 back | 53.68 | 52.02 | -1.66
    200 back | 1:56.06 | 1:55.74 | -.32
    50 fly | 24.75 | 23.87 | -.88
    100 fly | 52.92 | 51.48 | -1.44
    200 fly | 1:57.89 | 1:54.21 | -3.68
    100 IM | 59.64 | 55.76 | -3.88

    To put her times in familiar context– at the recent NCAA Women’s Championships, Bray would’ve been 7th in the 200 fly, made the B final in the 100 fly, and touched just outside of the B final for the 100 back, all at just 15 years old.


    https://swimswam.com/15-year-old-oli...51-4154-2-fly/


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    BLUESEVENTY SWIM OF THE WEEK: BRAY BREAKING RECORD BOOKS AT ISCAS




    Virginia Gator Olivia Bray was part of 4 NAG record-breaking relays last week, while hitting two top-3 times in 15-16 age group history individually.

    Bray and Virginia Gators teammates Emma Muzzy, Caroline Kulp and Whitney Hamilton combined to shred four of the five National Age Group relay records in their 15-16 age group. Their 200 medley went 1:39.21, taking down a SwimMAC record that included Olympian Kathleen Baker. Their 400 medley went 3:36.53, again knocking down a Baker/SwimMAC mark. Their 200 free relay was 1:30.99, taking almost a second off yet another SwimMAC/Baker team. And their 400 free relay was 3:19.52, taking more than a second off a record set by Longhorn Aquatics in 2007.

    In addition, Bray had a long list of individual swims checking in among the best in age group history. Her 100 fly time of 51.48 sits second all-time for 15-16s. Her 200 fly (1:54.21) is #2 all-time. Her 100 back was 52.67, sitting 23rd, and her relay leadoff was even faster at 52.02, which hits #4 all-time. Her 200 free time of 1:46.37 sits 51st. She was also 55.76 in the 100 IM, 24.22 in the 50 back and 23.87 in the 50 fly.

    The most impressive part? Bray is just 15 years old, still on the younger end of her age group.


    https://swimswam.com/blueseventy-swi...d-books-iscas/


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    Last edited by UrsusArctosCalifornicus; 03-30-2017 at 08:15 AM. Reason: BlueSeventy Swim of the Week

  4. #34
    I've been really impressed with Mary-Sophie Harvey at the Canadian World Trials. Second in the 200 Free and second in the 400 IM. I think both were personal bests too. Is it sacrilegious to say that she may be a more important Canadian recruit than Taylor Ruck? I personally want both. Taylor finished 8th in the 200 Free, 4th in the 100 Back, and 8th in the 100 Free. My girl Penny won the 100 Free, but well off her Canadian record from the Olympics. Another Canadian to watch is Kayla Sanchez (2018), 3rd in the 200 Free and 5th in the 100 Free.

  5. #35

    The Canadians

    Quote Originally Posted by tedbear View Post
    I've been really impressed with Mary-Sophie Harvey at the Canadian World Trials. Second in the 200 Free and second in the 400 IM. I think both were personal bests too. Is it sacrilegious to say that she may be a more important Canadian recruit than Taylor Ruck? I personally want both.
    Will confess to having paid more attention to 2018 recruits who are stroke studs, or with mad skillz in the more "glamourous" events such as sprints & freestyle (the all-important NCAA relay points factor!), but heck anyone who can help out with the Bears' ongoing weaknesses in distance, breast & IM (esp the 400 IM) should be given top priority - Mary-Sophie Harvey (#1 QC, #4 National) would certainly fit the bill here!

    My main concern is that I haven't come across any overt indications of MSH having any ties to Cal. Seeing that Mary-Sophie hails from Montreal, reckon we don't have the advantage of leveraging a Noemie or Bagshaw connection either. She could well be tempted to go the Emily Overholt route (same for Penny) too if she makes a massive splash at Worlds this year. But then again, this is all pure speculation as haven't dug deeper to suss out MSH's collegiate leanings!

    Now we may be in with a shot at 2017 Canuck recruit Sarah Darcel (#1 BC, #11 National), esp since BD had pointed out that Sarah had qualified for WUGS (World University Games) from the recent Canadian trials, i.e. she has already indicated her intention to swim in college. Naturally that could be any number of Canadian Universities, or perhaps programmes with a tradition of recruiting from north of the border such as Georgia, Michigan, Minnesota, A&M or Indiana.

    Sarah would really help out the team if she was to be announced at the last moment, esp if MSH was never coming here at all...but OTOH there are some critical top flight talent in both the classes of 2018 & 2019 (actually 2020 for that matter!) who may serve our needs even better or be closer fits, so Teri will have to be ultra-selective about who to target considering the limited scholly slots available...
    Last edited by UrsusArctosCalifornicus; 04-11-2017 at 11:10 AM. Reason: MSH edit

  6. #36
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    Slight link to Cal

    Quote Originally Posted by UrsusArctosCalifornicus View Post

    My main concern is that I haven't come across any indications of MSH having any ties to or a potential interest in Cal. Seeing that Mary-Sophie hails from Montreal, reckon we don't have the advantage of leveraging a Noemie or Bagshaw connection either.
    .

    Looked at her twitter acct., and she is following Noemie, Missy and a number of Cal guys swimmers Prenot, Pebley, and future Bears Sean Grieshop though she also following Ledecky & Manuel probably added after the NCAA's. However good sign she has been following Cal's women Twitter account plus the Florida Gator's but as of now she isn't listing the Furds' twitter account. This is a good thing.

    https://twitter.com/msophieharvey/following

  7. #37
    Haven't seen a women's returning points analysis yet, but the gap (~100 points) between UT and Cal men was wider than expected. Gap between LSJU and Cal women should be roughly the same magnitude.

    Unlikely that LSJU women are beaten at NCAAs as long as both Manuel and Ledecky are on the team, but their relay stroke depth was been depleted over the past two seasons and they don't have adequate replacements in the pipeline (current team members or incoming recruits). Didn't have a replacement for Haase last season (or next) and won't have a replacement for Neal next season. Same for Hu and Howe in 2019.

    Teams are even in relays, so neither team will win/lose a title there. Difference is LSJU cluster scoring in middle distance, 400 IM, 1650, and diving. 2018 Bears can't close those gaps without multiple recruits.

    Manuel redshirt in 2016, but was still a full time student on the farm, so theoretically she could graduate and go pro after next season. LSJU would still have Ledecky, Eastin, and several complementary swimmers, but would no longer be an unbeatable juggernaut.

    Rising Cal seniors (minus Hull) already won a title as froskies, so better to consolidate scholly $s into 2018 recruits in order to go for a title when the Dream Team are seniors in 2019.

  8. #38
    Lots of big updates here for MSH, and the reason she skipped the 400 Free and did so poorly on the 200 IM at Canadian Nationals. You can kick Ledecky's butt all the time if you come to Cal! And note, she also beat Eastin and Forde!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZD0UVRvqI0
    Last edited by tedbear; 04-14-2017 at 06:30 PM.

  9. #39
    Eva, if you want to make the US Olympic team in 2020 in the Backstroke, then Backstroke U. aka Cal is the place to be.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qko1smKiU9w

  10. #40
    And of course we can't forget Mama Bear, an inspiration to all women who want to be active during their pregnancy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NFvtOGNvaA

  11. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by tedbear View Post
    Lots of big updates here for MSH, and the reason she skipped the 400 Free and did so poorly on the 200 IM at Canadian Nationals. You can kick Ledecky's butt all the time if you come to Cal! And note, she also beat Eastin and Forde!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZD0UVRvqI0
    On Day 3, MSH completes the insane double of 200 Fly and 200 IM in the same day, and finishes third in both. She also seems to have that likable Cal fit in my opinion.

  12. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by tedbear View Post
    On Day 3, MSH completes the insane double of 200 Fly and 200 IM in the same day, and finishes third in both. She also seems to have that likable Cal fit in my opinion.
    Video of MSH beating Ledecky in the 400 IM.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W4jHKXZbys&t=300s

  13. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by tedbear View Post
    Eva, if you want to make the US Olympic team in 2020 in the Backstroke, then Backstroke U. aka Cal is the place to be.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qko1smKiU9w
    Video of Eva winning the 200 Back.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntBdYrIWBEo

  14. #44

    Msh

    Quote Originally Posted by juarezbear View Post
    Please refresh my memory as to who MSH is?
    Quote Originally Posted by BearDevil View Post
    MSH is 2018 recruit Mary-Sophie Harvey. She's a distance oriented IMer with even more upside than fellow Canadian Darcel.

    Penny is Penny Oleksisk, Canadian Olympic medalist heroine and featured in tedbear's avatar. Reasonable chance that either/both MSH and Penny will turn pro and still swim for Canadian colleges.
    As per BD's quoted post above

    MSH = Mary-Sophie Harvey (#1 QC, #4 National) https://www.collegeswimming.com/swimmer/450968/


    Quote Originally Posted by BearDevil View Post
    Based on an interview in the 2018 recruiting thread, worries about the French Canadian language barrier appear to be overblown. Don't know about spelling, but clearly MSH's vocabulary is much more advanced than UAC's. MSH actually uses words that civilized/educated North Americans recognize.
    Well that's cos Canadians being privileged members of the Commonwealth know how to spell properly, even the ones from Quebec lol

    On a more serious note, MSH should imo be one of Teri's prime targets for this recruiting class (along with Eva, Zoe & Taylor...plus a sprinter like Amalie or Julia), if she decides to swim in the NCAA. A number of other schools have already taken an interest in the #4 recruit - Georgia, Michigan, ASU, Toronto, Hawaii, Florida Atlantic, etc.

    Holds 5 converted times that would have scored @ NCAA finals last March as well as being 800 Free relay worthy: 400 IM, 200 Free, 200 IM, 500 Free, 200 Breast. Note that the latter 3 were all achieved at non-championship meets. Not to mention meeting 'B' cuts as well with her converted best times in the 200 Fly & 100 Free.

    Pretty sure MSH would have accomplished new PBs in the 200m IM + 400m Free this month, if she hadn't fallen seriously ill after having already secured her Worlds spots in the 400m IM & 200m Free earlier!

    The NCAA schedule does work a bit against Mary-Sophie's strengths as her strongest races would fall on a really tough double on either Day 2 or Day 3, but which could always be avoided if she took on one of her weaker (relatively speaking) events such as the 200 Breast on Day 4.


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    500y Free (2017 NCAA ‘A’ Cut: 4:36.30)


    ~ 2017 NCAA A Final Qualifying Time (8th) = 4:38.09 ~
    Katie McLaughlin ...... 4:36.04...... 2017 Pac-12s**

    Mary-Sophie H ....... 4:36.83...... 2016 Dec* (converted from 400m Free SCM time of 4:02.23)

    ~ 2017 NCAA B Final Qualifying Time (16th) = 4:39.97 ~
    Mary-Sophie H ....... 4:39.76...... 2017 Jan* (converted from 400m Free LCM time of 4:09.69)
    �� Brooke Forde ....... 4:39.87...... 2017 Feb*


    ~ 2017 NCAA Slowest Invited Time (40th) = 4:41.84 ~
    Chenoa Devine ........ 4:41.19...... 2017 Pac-12s**




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    200y IM (2017 NCAA ‘A’ Cut: 1:55.35)


    ~ 2017 NCAA A Final Qualifying Time (8th) = 1:55.59 ~
    Kathleen Baker ........ 1:51.69...... 2017 NCAAs***
    �� Brooke Forde ....... 1:55.55...... 2016 Dec*


    ~ 2017 NCAA B Final Qualifying Time (16th) = 1:56.34 ~
    Mary-Sophie H ....... 1:56.00...... 2017 Jan* (converted from 200m IM LCM time of 2:11.96)


    ~ 2017 NCAA Slowest Invited Time (40th) = 1:57.66 ~
    �� Sarah Darcel ....... 1:56.49...... 2017 Canadian Trials* (converted from 200m IM LCM time of 2:12.51)
    Keaton Blovad ......... 1:57.21...... 2016 Georgia Fall Invite*




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    400y IM (2017 NCAA ‘A’ Cut: 4:05.36)


    ~ 2017 NCAA A Final Qualifying Time (8th) = 4:06.00 ~
    �� Brooke Forde ....... 4:02.51...... 2016 Dec*
    Mary-Sophie H ....... 4:03.42...... 2017 Canadian Trials* (converted from 400m IM LCM time of 4:36.60)
    �� Sarah Darcel ........ 4:05.84...... 2017 Canadian Trials* (converted from 400m IM LCM time of 4:39.29)


    ~ 2017 NCAA B Final Qualifying Time (16th) = 4:07.88 ~
    - N/A -


    ~ 2017 NCAA Slowest Invited Time (40th) = 4:10.86 ~
    - N/A -




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    200y Free (2017 NCAA ‘A’ Cut: 1:43.63)


    ~ 2017 NCAA A Final Qualifying Time (8th) = 1:43.73 ~
    Kathleen Baker ....... 1:42.66...... 2017 NCAAs***
    Katie McLaughlin ..... 1:43.01...... 2015 May
    Abbey Weitzeil ........ 1:43.25...... 2016 Mar
    Mary-Sophie H ...... 1:43.25...... 2017 Canadian Trials* (converted from 200m Free LCM time of 1:57.81)
    �� Robin Neumann ... 1:43.28...... 2016 Apr (converted from 200m Free LCM time of 1:57.85)


    ~ 2017 NCAA B Final Qualifying Time (16th) = 1:44.96 ~
    �� Brooke Forde ...... 1:44.68...... 2017 Feb*


    ~ 2017 NCAA Slowest Invited Time (39th) = 1:45.44 ~
    Amy Bilquist ............ 1:45.03...... 2015 Mar (had busted out a 1:42.08 split in the 800 free relay @ 2017 NCAAs, w/flying start)





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    ===== DAY 4 =====







    200y Breast (2017 NCAA ‘A’ Cut: 2:07.33)


    ~ 2017 NCAA A Final Qualifying Time (8th) = 2:07.45 ~
    - N/A -


    ~ 2017 NCAA B Final Qualifying Time (16th) = 2:09.79 ~
    Mary-Sophie H ..... 2:08.46...... 2017 Mar* (converted from 200m Breast LCM time of 2:26.60)
    �� Brooke Forde ...... 2:09.12...... 2016 Dec*
    �� Grace Zhao ........ 2:09.21...... 2016 Dec*
    �� Sarah Darcel ....... 2:09.49...... 2017 Canadian Trials* (converted from 200m Breast LCM time of 2:27.74)


    ~ 2017 NCAA Slowest Invited Time (40th) = 2:10.55 ~
    - N/A -




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    Last edited by UrsusArctosCalifornicus; 04-20-2017 at 03:07 PM. Reason: corrected 500 Free hierarchy

  15. #45

    Freya Anderson (pardon my blatant bias here lol)

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    16-YEAR OLD FREYA ANDERSON WINS FIRST BRITISH TITLE




    https://swimswam.com/16-year-old-fre...british-title/


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    Do realise that bringing in an elite international involves a significant degree of risk and basically represents a less cost-effective approach than recruiting domestic studs, but the 100m Free champion from today's BSC session may be well worth keeping a bit of an eye on, IMHO:

    (Women's 100m Free event begins at around the 1:01:26 spot in the race video below)




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    Freya Anderson British summer championships 2016
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLU0JCe6JwY


    Freya Anderson lands 2016 European Junior gold in 100m Free


    Freya Anderson European Junior Championships 2016
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xbDh6413U0


    2016 British Emerging Swimmer of the Year - Freya Anderson
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oONNs3l0NZI


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    Now don't know if Freya has any interest at all in going across the pond for uni, but top-level sprinters are always in demand at the NCAA level (relays and all that). Reckon Anderson has quite a bit of upside as her anaemic underwaters and meh starts are potential areas for massive improvements once they get sorted out. Also noted from her races is that she is definitely a strong back half swimmer in the Missy mould.

    Freya's 54.35 converts to 47.52 in the 100y Free, which would have scored in the 6th spot in the A final @ 2017 NCAAs behind Farida, with Abbey being the only remaining Bear who has gone faster.

    Freya's 50 Free (25.44 LCM -> 22.19 SCY which is on the cusp of NCAA B final scoring) & 200 Free (2:00.41 LCM -> 1:45.59 SCY which almost makes the 2017 NCAA invited time) aren't quite as strong, though still pretty decent.

    However, the sobering reality is that the freshie classes of 2019, where #2 Penny is considerably faster in her 100 to 200 Free, #1 Isabel has a much better 200 Free (1:43.64 which is an NCAA A final scoring time), and #3 Kate Douglass a superior 50 Free time augmented by her breaststroke talent ... and 2020 (uber recruits Regan Smith & Alex Walsh amongst others), are already filled with heavy hitters who probably represent better value and safer bets.



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    Last edited by UrsusArctosCalifornicus; 04-22-2017 at 11:25 AM. Reason: photo



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