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    Quote Originally Posted by OBear073akaSMFan View Post
    MURPHY FINISHES SWEEP, CAL TAKES SECOND AT NCAAS
    Cal finished the week with 349 points as a team, trailing only the 542 scored by Texas. Florida finished third at 294.5. By the numbers alone, the second-place finish extends a run of incredible progress and success under head coach David Durden. It is Cal's eighth-straight top-two finish under Durden in a stretch that also includes three NCAA team titles.

    Extending that streak wasn't as straightforward as those stats might suggest. Disqualifications put the Bears on their heels at various points throughout the meet and, each time, Cal banded together with the help of the loud and proud fans and alums clad in blue and gold throughout the building to bounce back with more big performances.




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    Props to Durden, Yuri, and the Bear Bros for their resilience and consistent excellence.

    Like the Florida woman, UVa men scored zero points @ NCAAs. There's a guy named Meehan who could restore the combined programs at those underachievers...

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    Congrats to Texas for their dominating performance in the 2017 NCAAs. They finished @ 180 points ahead of the 2nd place Bears with only 23 points from diving. Although Conger, Licon and Smith are out of eligibility and thus leaving with their 141.5 points, Texas still returns by a wide margin the most points with scorers such as Schooling, Ringgold, Haas, Roberts and, in my mind the biggest surprise , the best returning backstroker in college, John Shebat. I figure they will be the early favorites for a fourth consecutive NCAA title next March.

    Cal would have needed every conceivable break to stay in the same area code as the Whorns, but instead suffered a series of misfortunes and flat performances. Josa’s two DQ’s were more than enough to kill any chance of keeping pace with Texas, and a number of our guys could not improve upon their seed times (mainly accomplished at Pac 12s) which were needed to make it to an evening swim. A very bright spot for the Bears (beyond Ryan Murphy’s clutch performance in individuals and relays) was the performance by freshman Zheng Quah who contributed 31 points in the 100/200 fly making him my co-freshman of the meet along with Michigan’s Felix Auboeck who scored 33 points in finishing top three in the 500/1650 free events. Cal had no one except for Ryan swimming in a backstroke final at this meet. Rebuilding this group is the biggest question mark for next year’s team.

    Through the four days of competition the Bears were fighting to stay 2nd ahead of Florida and NC State. Both of these teams which finished @ 60 points behind the Bears on paper return most of their points next year. The Whorns, Gators and Wolfpack appear to share a dearth of elite breaststrokers which will impact their medley relays next year.

    The Bear’s incoming 2017 class, led by Ryan Hoffer, but also including Daniel Carr and Bryce Mefford, who CollegeSwimming recently upgraded to co-#1 swimmers along with Hoffer will need to make important contributions to the team if the Bears are to challenge Texas and hold off Florida and the Wolfpack.

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    Congratulations to our Bears for swimming their best and not quitting. Thank you Seniors for your leadership.

    Now, if only Eddie Reese would retire and have Texas hire Greg Meehan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgong View Post
    The Bear’s incoming 2017 class, led by Ryan Hoffer, but also including Daniel Carr and Bryce Mefford, who CollegeSwimming recently upgraded to co-#1 swimmers along with Hoffer will need to make important contributions to the team if the Bears are to challenge Texas and hold off Florida and the Wolfpack.


    Next year, we will return strength in the fly (Quah,Josa, Lynch,Thomas) and IM (Seliskar, Josa, Thomas). Hoppe returns in the breast and if he didn't DQ, he would have been a scorer in both of the breast events. On the sprints side, Pawel Sendyk scored in the 50 free but not the 100 and hopefully with a year experience Pawel & Jensen will improve to be a scorers in 2018. Other than Pawel's pts in the 50, we failed to score in any of the freestyle events from 100-1650! Now with Murphy graduating there is now a hole in our back stroke events. Weakness for next year, 100-1650 freestyle, back strokes, and depth in the breast.

    Any of our other 2016 freshmen is on the verge of possible stepping up? I know Aukai Lileikis was injured but seem to have the potential. Looking at the incoming freshmen can someone provide the signature event(s) for each of the recruits? As others have pointed out Texas will still be the team to beat and with Florida & NC returning most of their scorers it looks like we will have to depend much on our 2016/2017 recruits. Thanks in advance.

    Income recruits
    Ryan Hoffer
    Daniel Carr
    Bryce Mefford
    Sean Grieshop
    Trenton Julian
    Jarod Hatch
    James Daugherty
    Nate Biondi
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    Post meet interview with Zheng Quah

    Sorry don't know how to put the video directly into the thread (possible?).

    https://swimswam.com/zheng-quah-meet...booster-video/



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    embedding videos

    Quote Originally Posted by OBear073akaSMFan View Post
    Sorry don't know how to put the video directly into the thread (possible?).

    https://swimswam.com/zheng-quah-meet...booster-video/

    Out & abouts over the weekend so haven't caught up completely ... but, here yer go, OBear:


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    Quote Originally Posted by OBear073akaSMFan View Post
    Any of our other 2016 freshmen is on the verge of possible stepping up? I know Aukai Lileikis was injured but seem to have the potential. Looking at the incoming freshmen can someone provide the signature event(s) for each of the recruits? As others have pointed out Texas will still be the team to beat and with Florida & NC returning most of their scorers it looks like we will have to depend much on our 2016/2017 recruits. Thanks in advance.
    I can take a crack at it:

    Hoffer: Easily the top recruit in the class, he's the fastest high schooler ever in the 50 free, 100 free, and 100 fly and close to the fastest ever in the 100 back. His best times in those events would have been, respectively, 3rd, 4th, borderline A/high B final, and high B final. He's had a sort of weird trajectory over the past year where he dropped a lot off his 50 and 200 free (a solid 1:35), was right on his fly best, and added around a half second to his best in the 100 free and back. Should hopefully get everything right at once at Cal and be a major point scorer as a freshman. Question is whether to emphasize back or fly. Back seems to be much more useful to the team, but it's not like there's a dearth of backstroke talent; they've just been struggling.

    Carr: Very good backstroker and 200 IMer, 100 back is his best event with a time comparable to what Ethan Young's was, and he's on a strong improvement curve. Hopefully doesn't follow the trend of recent backstrokers (Young, Thomas, Green, maybe Quah but probably too soon to tell for him).

    Mefford: Very good in a lot of events. Not an all-time high schooler in any one event, but is improving and has potential in the freestyles from 50-200, both backstrokes, the 100 fly, and the 200 IM. Will be interesting to see what he settles in to, plus he has his high school season still to go.

    Grieshop: Top domestic recruit in the 500, 1650, and 400 IM, but hasn't swum much this year in yards and has not approached his best times except in the 400 IM. Hopefully is just saving it up for a big summer in long course. Will be a big test for the coaches; this is the best distance swimmer they've ever brought in, but the track record for distance swimmers at Cal is not exactly stellar. He needs to improve if Cal is to be regarded as a viable destination for distance swimmers on par with schools like Texas, Georgia, Michigan, and South Carolina.

    Julian: Son of USC assistant coach, has good times in the 200 free and 100-200 fly, more so the 100. However he has not swum once since he committed, and looking back his commitment was his last post on social media. Not sure what his status is.

    Hatch: Decent 200-500 freestyler, ideally would develop similarly to Trent Williams or Long Gutierrez, who are his closest comparables. Hasn't approached his bests this year but still has the high school season.

    Daugherty: Pure sprint breaststroker from Bolles, has a ways to go to qualify for NCAAs and hasn't had a best this year.

    Biondi: Matt Biondi's son, not elite yet but is rapidly improving in the sprints, and has apparently only been swimming a few years. Also very skinny, so the hope is with some time in the weight room and just more hours in the water he could make an impact.

    I would grade this the best recruiting class in the country both in top end speed and potential. The challenge is developing these guys especially in freestyle events over 50 and backstroke. The 100 free is Cal's signature event; to not score a single point is puzzlingly bad. While the top end guys have mostly been good, the team has declined over the past three years, and if they have an NCAA meet next year like they have the past couple they will not beat Texas. If they swim like the 2010-2012 or 2014 teams, they stand a chance of chipping away at that lead and if they get very lucky they might have a chance at winning it all. Texas should be at least a bit worse next year, but with Katz, Larson, and Pomajevich coming in next year and at least Kibler the year after that there's never going to be a clear window of opportunity for the near future. This team as it's currently constituted has to meet its potential better to have any chance at winning. Guys like Mike Thomas and Michael Jensen are too good to be one event B-finalists, and we have to get points from guys like Sand. Obviously it wouldn't hurt to get everyone healthy and not DQ, but illness and blindness can't be helped I suppose.
    Last edited by BRBear; 03-26-2017 at 01:12 PM. Reason: Corrected 3rd to 4th

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    "Any of our other 2016 freshmen is on the verge of possible stepping up? I know Aukai Lileikis was injured but seem to have the potential. Looking at the incoming freshmen can someone provide the signature event(s) for each of the recruits? As others have pointed out Texas will still be the team to beat and with Florida & NC returning most of their scorers it looks like we will have to depend much on our 2016/2017 recruits. Thanks in advance."

    BRBear gave a terrific response, but I will add in a few additional notes:

    Ryan Hoffer is the #1 recruit in the class of 2017 with three A cuts and two B cuts. His 50 free time of 18.71 posted in Dec 2016 would have placed 3rd at the 2017 NCAAís., while his 41.23 100 free time would have put him fourth. There is no other 2107 sprint free recruit in his class-he is a Dressel/Morozov level sprinter. Just as important for the Bears may be his 100 back best time of 45.58; this is the 2nd fastest 100 back time in the class, behind only Florida recruit Michael Taylorís 45.53. Taylor currently has the fastest 100 and 200 back times in this class.

    Hofferís third best individual event may be the 100 fly where his pb of 45.46 would have placed in the top 8 at the 2017 NCAAs.

    Sean Grieshop was rated recruit based on his distance/IM potential. Seanís pbs of 14:45.40 in the 1650 and 4:15.53 are tops in the 2017 class and just outside 2017 NCAA scoring range. Grieshop also has the classís top 400 IM time with his 3:44.30 which is also on the edge of NCAA scoring. I doubt in Grieshop will be used on any relay at Cal, but he appears to be a potential 3 event scorer at NCAAs.

    Bryce Meffordís recruit ranking per CollegeSwimming has risen to co-#1 due to several recent times posted this month. Mefford is an extremely versatile swimmer, sporting seven B cuts. His top event times are in the 200 IM 1:45.46 (best in the class), 1:42.18 in the 200 back (3rd in class) and his 1:34.66 in the 200 free (2nd in class behind ASU recruit Grant Houseís 1:34.59). Bryceís 200 back time is just outside of NCAA scoring level. Bryceís 20.02 in the 50 free appears to be second best in the class, but this is a sprint-lite class in general excluding Ryan Hoffer.

    Similar to Bryce Mefford, Daniel Carr has added some impressive recent times and also is ranked co-#1 by CollegeSwimming. Carr has 6 B cuts. His best events include the 100 back , where Daniel has a pb of 46.94, 3rd in the current class, the 200 IM with a pb of 1:45.74, 2nd in the class behind future teammate Mefford, and 1:42.71 in the 200 back .

    USC legacy Trenton Julian was SwimSwamís # 15 rated recruit, with 4 B cuts with best times of 47.88 and 1:45.81 in the 100/200 fly. Julian hasnít posted times since Nov 2016 so it will be useful to get his CIF 2017 results assuming he competes.

    Jerod Hatch from nearby Morgan Hill has two B cuts in the 200 free Ė 1:37.19, and 200 fly Ė 1:47.05.

    Floridian James Daugherty is a breaststroker with a pb of 54.26 in the 100 breast good for a B cut. With the explosion of fast breaststrokers Nort is going to have to work some magic to get James to be a contributor at the NCAA level, but he should score at Pac 12s.

    Bear legacy Nate Biondi is an intriguing recruit. Having recently taken up the sport seriously in the past two years after the family returned to California from Hawaii. As of early March 2017 Matt has lowered his 50 free to 20.41 and 44.84 in the 100 free. He has dropped 3.5 sec in his 50 and 7.04 sec from his Dec 2014 best times. My very rough guess would put both free sprint times in the top 15 or so for the 2017 class. Should be interesting to see if how far he can improve.

    As BRBear points out, we appear to have the horses, but the trick is to get development in the pool. Eddie Reese has clearly been getting top performances up and down his roster and next year they will be NCAA favorites again.

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    Thanks, BRB & dg.

    800 Free is the weakest relay. Hoffer's probably too valuable elsewhere, can Grieshop swim a leg? Rooney transferring home would be huge.

    Who replaces Murphy on the medley back legs?

    Will Quah be in either the fly or back medley mix?

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    Thanks to everyone for their comments on the 2016/2017 recruits. The other issue is diving. With the new practice facility & the change in diving coach, I was hoping it will help with recruiting divers too. We did have one new recruit Jackson Gabler from De la Salle what are his chances as a NCAA scorer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BearDevil View Post
    Thanks, BRB & dg.

    800 Free is the weakest relay. Hoffer's probably too valuable elsewhere, can Grieshop swim a leg? Rooney transferring home would be huge.

    Who replaces Murphy on the medley back legs?

    Will Quah be in either the fly or back medley mix?
    800 free relay next year, assuming everyone is healthy, will probably be Seliskar-Jensen-Lileikis-Mefford. I guess you could see Josa or Quah on there as well, or maybe Hatch/Biondi/Julian will be a huge revelation.

    Backstroke is the big question; Hoffer seems like the most likely option. Thomas seems to be done with backstroke and Young hasn't shown anything, but if Carr makes a jump that might be a good option allowing Hoffer to shift to free. Quah's long course backstroke times (including 54.03 in the 100) indicate he's capable of much more than what he's shown, but like Thomas his fly has been much better than his back since he got to Berkeley, and his 45.06 makes him our fastest returning flyer from this year with a best time second only to Josa. Either way I see Quah as a definite option in the 400 MR but probably not the 200 MR.

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    It appears to me that the men's team with the 8 new recruits will have less weaknesses and more depth heading into next season than the women's team. After the departure of Ryan Murphy, the men would seem to have less stars than the women's team, too. The women's team appears to have had two subpar recruit classes back-to-back (7 new swimmers enter in the fall) and must rely for most of their points from their fab four (Kathleen Baker, Abbey Weitzeil, Amy Bilquist & Katie McLaughlin)...Both Cal teams finished second in NCAAs so it will interesting to see if they can sustain their high levels of respective performance going forward... Did anyone provide an evaluation of the women's incoming recruit class like that provided for the men's new class? GO BEARS!
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    Seliskar gaves props to Yuri and Alumni



    Not sure if link works or not..thanks in advance UAC!

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    2017 M. NCAA ANALYSIS: TEXAS LOSING MOST POINTS, STILL RETURNING MOST

    One might expect that Texas will be taking a bit of a hit after having three seniors accounting for six individual victories, and sure enough, seniors Mark Anderson, Jack Conger, Will Licon, and Clark Smith earned a whopping 153.5 individual points out of the Longhornsí 542 total points.

    Yet, such is Texasís depth, that even losing those four competitors, they are still slated to return the most individual points, thanks to very strong sophomore and junior classes. The Longhorns will need those swimmers to step again next year, as several other teams look to be within striking distance of the 160.5 individual points that the Longhorns will bring back next year.

    California and Georgia both lose 66 points. Eight-time individual backstroke champion Ryan Murphy was responsible for 56 of the points earned by California seniors, and heís been a key member of most of Calís relays next year, so thatís going to be a big loss for the Bears. His absence should be tempered, however, by a very strong incoming freshman class, as well as a likely 20-30 points Cal left on the table due to DQís.


    TEAM | SENIOR POINTS | NON-SENIOR INDIVIDUAL POINTS | RETURNING POINTS (INCLUDING RELAYS) | SENIOR RELAY SWIMS *
    Texas | 153.5 | 160.5 | 388.5 | 7
    California | 66 | 125 | 283 | 5 (1)
    Florida | 12 | 132.5 | 283.5 | 4
    NC State | 21 | 121.5 | 251.5 | 8 (1)
    Stanford | 19 | 110 | 223 | 3(1)
    Southern Cal | 3 | 132 | 234 | 2
    Indiana | 12 | 120.5 | 217.5 | 6
    Georgia | 66 | 71 | 117 | 9
    Missouri | 78.5 | 0 | 101 | 12
    Alabama | 49 | 24.5 | 104.5 | 5(1)**
    Louisville | 29.5 | 35 | 114 | 14
    Auburn | 37 | 23.5 | 90.5 | 8

    * swimmers who competed in prelims, but were swapped out in finals are in parentheses
    ** plus two legs of a DQíd relay
    Note: totals include divers and diving points.


    https://swimswam.com/2017-m-ncaa-ana...ill-returning/


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