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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by roqmoq View Post
    Utah and Oregon with 3 players each right behind teams listed above them with 4 players each.
    Yes, but my point was the relationship between prep ranking and college performance. Oregon had relatively high ranked prospects. Utah didn't but they have accomplished less as a team. ASU, OSU, and Washington have done well with lower ranked recruits. On the other hand USC has had less team success with well regarded recruits.

  2. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by stu View Post
    Yes, but my point was the relationship between prep ranking and college performance. Oregon had relatively high ranked prospects. Utah didn't but they have accomplished less as a team. ASU, OSU, and Washington have done well with lower ranked recruits. On the other hand USC has had less team success with well regarded recruits.
    I added the all conference players (I noticed that you added the transfers which is good) and assigned points (100 for the #1 recruit, 99 for the next) and tabulated it. I am providing the summary and the detail (which has the years the players made the all conference teams):

    Stanford 2012
    California 1737
    UCLA 1405
    USC 1223
    Washington 418
    Oregon State 349
    Oregon 320
    Arizona State 235
    Colorado 166
    Washington State 106
    Arizona 40
    Utah 0

    Stanford 2012
    2018 17 Lexie Hull*
    2017 8 Kiana Williams*
    2017 11 Maya Dodson*
    2017 44 Estella Moschkau*
    2016 27 Nadia Fingall*
    2016 34 DiJonai Carrington*
    2016 42 Anna Wilson*
    2015 38 Marta Sniezek*
    2014 18 Taylor Rooks*
    2014 25 Brittany McPhee* 2017
    2014 30 Kaylee Johnson*
    2013 11 Erica McCall* 2016, 2017
    2013 20 Kailee Johnson*
    2013 77 Karlie Samuelson* 2017
    2013 NR Lili Thompson 2015, 2016
    2012 13 Alyson Beebe*
    2011 15 Amber Orrange* 2013, 2014, 2015
    2011 31 Taylor Greenfield*
    2011 49 Alex Green*
    2011 61 Bonnie Samuelson*
    2011 78 Erica Payne*
    2011 83 Jasmine Camp*
    2010 1 Chiney Ogwumike* 2012, 2013, 2014
    2010 18 Sara James*
    2010 60 Toni Kokenis* 2012
    2009 10 Joslyn Tinkle* 2013
    2009 16 Mikaela Ruef*
    2008 6 Nneka Ogwumike* 2010, 2011, 2012
    2008 41 Sarah Boothe*
    2007 4 Kayla Pedersen*

    California 1737
    2018 40 McKenzie Forbes*
    2017 21 Kianna Smith*
    2017 43 Alaysia Styles*
    2016 60 Jaelyn Brown*
    2016 78 Mi'Cole Cayton*
    2015 8 Kristine Anigwe* 2017
    2015 51 Chen Yue*
    2015 81 Breanna Cavanaugh*
    2014 10 Mikayla Cowling*
    2014 12 Gabby Green*
    2013 38 Courtney Range*
    2013 54 Kendall Waters*
    2011 7 Justine Hartman*
    2011 21 Erika Johnson*
    2011 22 Reshanda Gray* 2014, 2015
    2011 38 Brittany Boyd* 2013, 2014, 2015
    2010 15 Afure Jemerigbe*
    2010 29 Lindsay Sherbert*
    2009 20 Tierra Rogers*
    2009 22 Eliza Pierre*
    2009 24 DeNesha Stallworth*
    2009 30 Gennifer Brandon* 2013
    2009 43 Talia Caldwell*
    2009 49 Brenna Heater*
    2009 67 Layshia Clarendon* 2012, 2013
    2008 25 Shawna-Lei Kuehu*
    2008 55 Casey Morris*

    UCLA 1405
    2017 10 Michaela Onyenwere*
    2017 15 Chantel Horvat*
    2017 36 Kayla Owens*
    2016 35 Lindsey Corsaro*
    2016 58 Allyson Rosenblum*
    2015 15 Kennedy Burke*
    2015 22 Ashley Hearn*
    2014 4 Jordin Canada* 2016, 2017
    2014 8 Lajahna Drummer*
    2014 19 Recee' Caldwell*
    2014 26 Kelli Hayes*
    2014 38 Monique Billings* 2017
    2013 94 Dominique Williams*
    2012 12 Nirra Fields* 2014, 2015, 2016
    2012 66 Lauren Holiday*
    2012 99 Kari Korver*
    2011 25 Kacy Swain*
    2009 4 Markel Walker* 2012, 2013
    2008 19 Atonye Nyingifa* 2013, 2014
    Trns 20 Alyssia Brewer* 2013
    2008 70 Rebekah Gardner*

    USC 1223
    2017 17 Ayanna Clark*
    2017 85 Shalexxus Aaron*
    2016 15 Valerie Higgins*
    2016 68 Ja'Tavia Tapley*
    2014 15 McKenzie Calvert*
    2014 48 Kristen Simon* 2017
    2014 90 Amy Okonkwo*
    2012 7 Jordan Adams*
    2012 96 Brianna Barrett*
    Trns 13 Temi Fagbenle 2016
    2011 14 Alexyz Vaioletama* 2015
    2011 16 Ariya Crook-Williams*
    2011 26 Karina Alofaituli*
    2010 11 Cassie Harberts* 2013, 2014
    2010 35 Desiree Bradley*
    2010 99 Thaddesia Southall*
    2009 35 Christina Marinacci*
    2009 40 Inga Orekhova*
    2008 23 Ashley Corral*
    2008 28 Briana Gilbreath*
    2008 96 Michelle Jenkins*

    Washington 418
    2016 55 Aarion McDonald*
    2015 48 Deja Strother*
    2013 26 Kelsey Plum* 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
    2013 65 Brianna Ruiz*
    2013 NR Chantel Osahor 2017
    2012 22 Katie Collier*
    2011 NR Jasimine Davis 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
    2008 18 Liz Lay*
    2008 48 Kristi Kingma* 2013

    Oregon State 349
    2017 27 Taya Corosdale*
    2017 63 Aleah Goodman*
    2016 26 Mikayla Pivec*
    2016 89 Madison Washington*
    2016 93 Katharine Tudor*
    2015 39 Katie McWilliams*
    2014 NR Marie Gulich 2017
    2013 80 Sydney Wiese* 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
    2012 41 Jamie Weisner* 2015, 2016
    2012 93 Samantha Siegner*
    2012 NR Ruth Hamblin 2015, 2016

    Oregon 320
    2016 4 Sabrina Ionescu* 2017
    2016 14 Sierra Campisano*
    2016 40 Ruthy Hebard* 2017
    2016 92 Morgan Yaeger*
    2016 98 Mallory McGwire*
    2015 37 Otiona Gildon*
    2014 95 McKynzie Fort*
    2012 NR Jullian Alleyne 2014, 2015, 2016

    Arizona State 235
    2016 39 Jamie Ruden*
    2016 47 Reili Richardson*
    2016 64 Robbi Ryan*
    2014 93 Ayanna Edwards*
    2013 NR Sophie Brunner 2015, 2016, 2017
    2012 NR Elisha Davis 2016
    2013 NR Katie Hempen 2016
    2011 28 Eliza Normen*
    2011 NR Promise Amukamara 2015
    2009 NR Deja Mann 2014
    2008 95 Kimberly Brandon*
    2008 99 Alex Earl*

    Colorado 166
    2017 73 Aubrey Knight*
    2015 79 Alexis Robinson*
    2015 NR Kennedy Leonard
    2012 38 Jamee Swan*
    2012 64 Lauren Huggins*
    2009 NR Chucky Jeffrey 2012, 2013
    2008 80 Alyssa Fressle*

    Washington State 106
    2016 36 Chanelle Molina*
    2012 NR Lia Galdeira 2014, 2015
    2011 NR Tia Presley 2014
    2010 87 Sage Romberg*
    2009 84 Ki-shawna Moore*
    2008 87 April Cook*

    Arizona 40
    2017 95 Samantha Thomas*
    2014 86 Taryn Griffey*
    2013 87 LaBrittney Jones*
    2009 NR Davellyn Whyte 2012, 2013
    2008 92 Malia Nahinu*

    Utah 0
    2014 NR Emily Potter 2016
    2012 NR Michelle Plouffe 2013, 2014
    2009 NR Taryn Wicijowski 2012
    Last edited by GATC; 04-10-2017 at 09:38 AM. Reason: added Nneka Ogwumike

  3. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by stu View Post
    Pac-12 All-Conference players (2012-2017) by school with ESPN prep rankings from GATC:

    Stanford: 1, 10, 11, 15, 25, 60, 77, NR
    UCLA: 4, 4, 12, 19, 20, 38
    Cal: 8, 22, 30, 38, 67
    ASU: NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
    USC: 11, 13, 14, 48
    Washington: 26, 48, NR, NR
    OSU: 41, 80, NR, NR
    Oregon: 4, 40, NR
    Utah: NR, NR, NR
    Colorado: NR, NR
    WSU: NR, NR
    Arizona: NR

    I'd say in this limited metric ASU, OSU, and Washington look best at evaluating and/or coaching up lower-ranked players.
    Both of OSU's NRs were foreign recruits, which is not the same as evaluated and ranked outside the top 100. (And even when evaluated, obviously it's harder to see foreign recruits as much to give some accuracy -- which is notoriously suspect anyway)

  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by GATC View Post
    I added the all conference players (I noticed that you added the transfers which is good) and assigned points (100 for the #1 recruit, 99 for the next) and tabulated it. I am providing the summary and the detail (which has the years the players made the all conference teams):

    Stanford 1918
    California 1737
    UCLA 1405
    USC 1223
    Washington 418
    Oregon State 349
    Oregon 320
    Arizona State 235
    Colorado 166
    Washington State 106
    Arizona 40
    Utah 0

    Stanford 1918
    2018 17 Lexie Hull*
    2017 8 Kiana Williams*
    2017 11 Maya Dodson*
    2017 44 Estella Moschkau*
    2016 27 Nadia Fingall*
    2016 34 DiJonai Carrington*
    2016 42 Anna Wilson*
    2015 38 Marta Sniezek*
    2014 18 Taylor Rooks*
    2014 25 Brittany McPhee* 2017
    2014 30 Kaylee Johnson*
    2013 11 Erica McCall* 2016, 2017
    2013 20 Kailee Johnson*
    2013 77 Karlie Samuelson* 2017
    2013 NR Lili Thompson 2015, 2016
    2012 13 Alyson Beebe*
    2011 15 Amber Orrange* 2013, 2014, 2015
    2011 31 Taylor Greenfield*
    2011 49 Alex Green*
    2011 61 Bonnie Samuelson*
    2011 78 Erica Payne*
    2011 83 Jasmine Camp*
    2010 1 Chiney Ogwumike* 2012, 2013, 2014
    2010 18 Sara James*
    2010 60 Toni Kokenis* 2012
    2009 10 Joslyn Tinkle* 2013
    2009 16 Mikaela Ruef*
    2008 41 Sarah Boothe*
    2007 4 Kayla Pedersen*

    California 1737
    2018 40 McKenzie Forbes*
    2017 21 Kianna Smith*
    2017 43 Alaysia Styles*
    2016 60 Jaelyn Brown*
    2016 78 Mi'Cole Cayton*
    2015 8 Kristine Anigwe* 2017
    2015 51 Chen Yue*
    2015 81 Breanna Cavanaugh*
    2014 10 Mikayla Cowling*
    2014 12 Gabby Green*
    2013 38 Courtney Range*
    2013 54 Kendall Waters*
    2011 7 Justine Hartman*
    2011 21 Erika Johnson*
    2011 22 Reshanda Gray* 2014, 2015
    2011 38 Brittany Boyd* 2013, 2014, 2015
    2010 15 Afure Jemerigbe*
    2010 29 Lindsay Sherbert*
    2009 20 Tierra Rogers*
    2009 22 Eliza Pierre*
    2009 24 DeNesha Stallworth*
    2009 30 Gennifer Brandon* 2013
    2009 43 Talia Caldwell*
    2009 49 Brenna Heater*
    2009 67 Layshia Clarendon* 2012, 2013
    2008 25 Shawna-Lei Kuehu*
    2008 55 Casey Morris*

    UCLA 1405
    2017 10 Michaela Onyenwere*
    2017 15 Chantel Horvat*
    2017 36 Kayla Owens*
    2016 35 Lindsey Corsaro*
    2016 58 Allyson Rosenblum*
    2015 15 Kennedy Burke*
    2015 22 Ashley Hearn*
    2014 4 Jordin Canada* 2016, 2017
    2014 8 Lajahna Drummer*
    2014 19 Recee' Caldwell*
    2014 26 Kelli Hayes*
    2014 38 Monique Billings* 2017
    2013 94 Dominique Williams*
    2012 12 Nirra Fields* 2014, 2015, 2016
    2012 66 Lauren Holiday*
    2012 99 Kari Korver*
    2011 25 Kacy Swain*
    2009 4 Markel Walker* 2012, 2013
    2008 19 Atonye Nyingifa* 2013, 2014
    Trns 20 Alyssia Brewer* 2013
    2008 70 Rebekah Gardner*

    USC 1223
    2017 17 Ayanna Clark*
    2017 85 Shalexxus Aaron*
    2016 15 Valerie Higgins*
    2016 68 Ja'Tavia Tapley*
    2014 15 McKenzie Calvert*
    2014 48 Kristen Simon* 2017
    2014 90 Amy Okonkwo*
    2012 7 Jordan Adams*
    2012 96 Brianna Barrett*
    Trns 13 Temi Fagbenle 2016
    2011 14 Alexyz Vaioletama* 2015
    2011 16 Ariya Crook-Williams*
    2011 26 Karina Alofaituli*
    2010 11 Cassie Harberts* 2013, 2014
    2010 35 Desiree Bradley*
    2010 99 Thaddesia Southall*
    2009 35 Christina Marinacci*
    2009 40 Inga Orekhova*
    2008 23 Ashley Corral*
    2008 28 Briana Gilbreath*
    2008 96 Michelle Jenkins*

    Washington 418
    2016 55 Aarion McDonald*
    2015 48 Deja Strother*
    2013 26 Kelsey Plum* 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
    2013 65 Brianna Ruiz*
    2013 NR Chantel Osahor 2017
    2012 22 Katie Collier*
    2011 NR Jasimine Davis 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
    2008 18 Liz Lay*
    2008 48 Kristi Kingma* 2013

    Oregon State 349
    2017 27 Taya Corosdale*
    2017 63 Aleah Goodman*
    2016 26 Mikayla Pivec*
    2016 89 Madison Washington*
    2016 93 Katharine Tudor*
    2015 39 Katie McWilliams*
    2014 NR Marie Gulich 2017
    2013 80 Sydney Wiese* 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
    2012 41 Jamie Weisner* 2015, 2016
    2012 93 Samantha Siegner*
    2012 NR Ruth Hamblin 2015, 2016

    Oregon 320
    2016 4 Sabrina Ionescu* 2017
    2016 14 Sierra Campisano*
    2016 40 Ruthy Hebard* 2017
    2016 92 Morgan Yaeger*
    2016 98 Mallory McGwire*
    2015 37 Otiona Gildon*
    2014 95 McKynzie Fort*
    2012 NR Jullian Alleyne 2014, 2015, 2016

    Arizona State 235
    2016 39 Jamie Ruden*
    2016 47 Reili Richardson*
    2016 64 Robbi Ryan*
    2014 93 Ayanna Edwards*
    2013 NR Sophie Brunner 2015, 2016, 2017
    2012 NR Elisha Davis 2016
    2013 NR Katie Hempen 2016
    2011 28 Eliza Normen*
    2011 NR Promise Amukamara 2015
    2009 NR Deja Mann 2014
    2008 95 Kimberly Brandon*
    2008 99 Alex Earl*

    Colorado 166
    2017 73 Aubrey Knight*
    2015 79 Alexis Robinson*
    2015 NR Kennedy Leonard
    2012 38 Jamee Swan*
    2012 64 Lauren Huggins*
    2009 NR Chucky Jeffrey 2012, 2013
    2008 80 Alyssa Fressle*

    Washington State 106
    2016 36 Chanelle Molina*
    2012 NR Lia Galdeira 2014, 2015
    2011 NR Tia Presley 2014
    2010 87 Sage Romberg*
    2009 84 Ki-shawna Moore*
    2008 87 April Cook*

    Arizona 40
    2017 95 Samantha Thomas*
    2014 86 Taryn Griffey*
    2013 87 LaBrittney Jones*
    2009 NR Davellyn Whyte 2012, 2013
    2008 92 Malia Nahinu*

    Utah 0
    2014 NR Emily Potter 2016
    2012 NR Michelle Plouffe 2013, 2014
    2009 NR Taryn Wicijowski 2012
    Thanks for all the work. I noted in your earlier post than N. Ogwumike was missing... I imagine she made a couple all-conf teams too ;-)

  5. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by really View Post
    Both of OSU's NRs were foreign recruits, which is not the same as evaluated and ranked outside the top 100. (And even when evaluated, obviously it's harder to see foreign recruits as much to give some accuracy -- which is notoriously suspect anyway)
    Yeah - Gulich from Germany NR and Chen from China rated 5 stars. I'm waiting for Chen to develop.

    ESPN might have had a better chance to look at Hamblin from British Columbia. Anyway Rueck managed to find Gulich and Hamblin.

  6. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by really View Post
    Thanks for all the work. I noted in your earlier post than N. Ogwumike was missing... I imagine she made a couple all-conf teams too ;-)
    Good catch. I did a manual filter to sort out the Pac-12 players and somehow omitted her - probably because I hate Stanford. I guessed on the all-conf teams she was on based on her stats since I could not easily find where Stu got the information. I updated one of the list - I'll update the first list next.

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