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  1. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by SFCALBear72 View Post
    +1

    Then you have a young woman from the suburb of Palo Alto (Gunn High), Archer Olson, who is excited to attend Cal as a recruited walk-on next season. She says she fell in love with the coaching staff and the players, especially. Yes, she's white.
    Has LG ever had a walk-on, recruited or not, on the team? With the short bench the team has had, it would not have hurt to have a couple of specialists on the bench.

  2. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by roqmoq View Post
    Has LG ever had a walk-on, recruited or not, on the team? With the short bench the team has had, it would not have hurt to have a couple of specialists on the bench.
    I don't remember any walk-ons with either Coach G or her predecessor Coach B. I wouldn't mind using a couple of scholarships (we have plenty) on players a little below the level we normally recruit. I'm thinking of players who have specific skills, don't expect to play right away, really want to be at Cal, and are primarily interested in academics. A few examples from our recent past are Mooch Federico, Avigiel Cohen, and Mikayla Lyles.

  3. #18
    All whom have had scholarships.

  4. #19
    Clay is actually right here.. this is how it coming off to the outsiders.. I have probably never talked in person to any of you, and yet I heard the exact same thing about Sabrina not relating well to the teammates she would be playing with. Which is important, you spend more time off the court with your teammates than you do on the court. So of course you want to be comfortable. I heard this from a very reliable source, and this was as far back as her junior year that this was brought up.

    On another unrelated note, I'm sure the most important reason SI chose oregon was coaching. She probably wants to be challenged and developed and made to think while being put in a position to succeed. Wouldn't get that with LG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricehntr5 View Post
    Clay is actually right here.. this is how it coming off to the outsiders.. I have probably never talked in person to any of you, and yet I heard the exact same thing about Sabrina not relating well to the teammates she would be playing with. Which is important, you spend more time off the court with your teammates than you do on the court. So of course you want to be comfortable. I heard this from a very reliable source, and this was as far back as her junior year that this was brought up.

    On another unrelated note, I'm sure the most important reason SI chose oregon was coaching. She probably wants to be challenged and developed and made to think while being put in a position to succeed. Wouldn't get that with LG.
    I believe you are right on both of your points. I pointed it out when SI went to the FB game during recruiting month, I believe SI was led in my Chen Yue (freshmen). You would have thought with all of the former NCS & norcal players on the team, it would had been one of those players. I found it strange that a person who probably didn't know much FB was the person picked.

    On the other matter, in fairness to SI , she did wait until the very last days of recruiting even coming to our games with her family to watch our games still trying to make a decision. I think there were just too many ugly games for us during this time period.

  6. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by stu View Post
    +1

    IMHO evaluating talent is as important in recruiting as getting players to sign.
    Thinking about your comment and really's comment regarding the rating of players domestically, I thought I would do a data dump of the Hoopgirl's ratings. I was also interested on how we fared vs Stanford. Interesting to look at the players on the list as well as those not on the list:

    2018
    17 Lexie Hull* 96 Stanford G
    40 McKenzie Forbes* 93 California W

    2017
    8 Kiana Williams* 98 Stanford PG
    10 Michaela Onyenwere* 98 UCLA F
    11 Maya Dodson* 98 Stanford W
    15 Chantel Horvat* 98 UCLA G
    17 Ayanna Clark* 98 USC P
    21 Kianna Smith* 98 California G
    27 Taya Corosdale* 97 Oregon State F
    36 Kayla Owens* 97 UCLA W
    43 Alaysia Styles* 96 California W
    44 Estella Moschkau* 96 Stanford W
    63 Aleah Goodman* 95 Oregon State PG
    73 Aubrey Knight* 94 Colorado G
    85 Shalexxus Aaron* 94 USC W
    95 Samantha Thomas* 92 Arizona W

    2016
    4 Sabrina Ionescu* 98 Oregon G
    14 Sierra Campisano* 98 Oregon F
    15 Valerie Higgins* 98 USC W
    26 Mikayla Pivec* 97 Oregon State PG
    27 Nadia Fingall* 97 Stanford F
    34 DiJonai Carrington* 97 Stanford G
    35 Lindsey Corsaro* 97 UCLA G
    36 Chanelle Molina* 97 Washington State PG
    39 Jamie Ruden* 97 Arizona State P
    40 Ruthy Hebard* 97 Oregon F
    42 Anna Wilson* 96 Stanford PG
    47 Reili Richardson* 96 Arizona State PG
    55 Aarion McDonald* 95 Washington PG
    58 Allyson Rosenblum* 95 UCLA P
    60 Jaelyn Brown* 95 California W
    64 Robbi Ryan* 95 Arizona State PG
    68 Ja'Tavia Tapley* 95 USC W
    78 Mi'Cole Cayton* 94 California G
    89 Madison Washington* 94 Oregon State W
    92 Morgan Yaeger* 93 Oregon PG
    93 Katharine Tudor* 93 Oregon State G
    98 Mallory McGwire* 92 Oregon P

    2015
    8 Kristine Anigwe* 98 California P
    15 Kennedy Burke* 98 UCLA W
    22 Ashley Hearn* 97 UCLA F
    37 Otiona Gildon* 97 Oregon F
    38 Marta Sniezek* 97 Stanford PG
    39 Katie McWilliams* 97 Oregon State G
    48 Deja Strother* 96 Washington P
    51 Chen Yue* 96 California P
    79 Alexis Robinson* 94 Colorado G
    81 Breanna Cavanaugh* 94 California PG

    2014
    4 Jordin Canada* 98 UCLA PG
    8 Lajahna Drummer* 98 UCLA F
    10 Mikayla Cowling* 98 California W
    12 Gabby Green* 98 California W
    15 McKenzie Calvert* 98 USC PG
    18 Taylor Rooks* 98 Stanford W
    19 Recee' Caldwell* 98 UCLA PG
    25 Brittany McPhee* 97 Stanford W
    26 Kelli Hayes* 97 UCLA W
    30 Kaylee Johnson* 97 Stanford F
    38 Monique Billings* 97 UCLA F
    48 Kristen Simon* 96 USC F
    86 Taryn Griffey* 94 Arizona PG
    90 Amy Okonkwo* 93 USC P
    93 Ayanna Edwards* 93 Arizona State P
    95 McKynzie Fort* 92 Oregon PG

    2013
    11 Erica McCall* 96 Stanford F
    20 Kailee Johnson* 95 Stanford F
    26 Kelsey Plum* 95 Washington PG
    38 Courtney Range* 95 California W
    54 Kendall Waters* 94 California F
    65 Brianna Ruiz* 93 Washington G
    77 Karlie Samuelson* 93 Stanford G
    80 Sydney Wiese* 93 Oregon State PG
    87 LaBrittney Jones* 93 Arizona F
    94 Dominique Williams* 92 UCLA PG

    2012
    7 Jordan Adams* 97 USC G
    12 Nirra Fields* 96 UCLA G
    13 Alyson Beebe* 96 Stanford P
    22 Katie Collier* 95 Washington P
    38 Jamee Swan* 94 Colorado F
    41 Jamie Weisner* 94 Oregon State G
    64 Lauren Huggins* 93 Colorado W
    66 Lauren Holiday* 93 UCLA G
    93 Samantha Siegner* 92 Oregon State W
    96 Brianna Barrett* 92 USC PG
    99 Kari Korver* 92 UCLA G

    2011
    7 Justine Hartman* 96 California P
    14 Alexyz Vaioletama* 95 USC F
    15 Amber Orrange* 95 Stanford G
    16 Ariya Crook-Williams* 95 USC PG
    21 Erika Johnson* 95 California W
    22 Reshanda Gray* 95 California F
    25 Kacy Swain* 94 UCLA F
    26 Karina Alofaituli* 94 USC W
    28 Eliza Normen* 94 Arizona State W
    31 Taylor Greenfield* 94 Stanford G
    38 Brittany Boyd* 94 California PG
    49 Alex Green* 93 Stanford G
    61 Bonnie Samuelson* 93 Stanford W
    78 Erica Payne* 93 Stanford F
    83 Jasmine Camp* 92 Stanford PG

    2010
    1 Chiney Ogwumike* 98 Stanford F
    11 Cassie Harberts* 96 USC F
    15 Afure Jemerigbe* 96 California G
    18 Sara James* 95 Stanford G
    29 Lindsay Sherbert* 95 California W
    35 Desiree Bradley* 95 USC W
    60 Toni Kokenis* 94 Stanford PG
    87 Sage Romberg* 93 Washington State G
    99 Thaddesia Southall* 93 USC F

    2009
    4 Markel Walker* 97 UCLA W
    10 Joslyn Tinkle* 96 Stanford P
    16 Mikaela Ruef* 96 Stanford W
    20 Tierra Rogers* 95 California W
    22 Eliza Pierre* 94 California PG
    24 DeNesha Stallworth* 94 California F
    30 Gennifer Brandon* 94 California F
    35 Christina Marinacci* 94 USC W
    40 Inga Orekhova* 94 USC W
    43 Talia Caldwell* 94 California P
    49 Brenna Heater* 93 California F
    67 Layshia Clarendon* 93 California G
    84 Ki-shawna Moore* 93 Washington State PG

    2008
    6 Nneka Ogwumike 95 Stanford F
    18 Liz Lay* 92 Washington F
    19 Atonye Nyingifa* 92 UCLA G
    23 Ashley Corral* 91 USC PG
    25 Shawna-Lei Kuehu* 91 California G
    28 Briana Gilbreath* 91 USC W
    41 Sarah Boothe* 89 Stanford P
    48 Kristi Kingma* 88 Washington G
    55 Casey Morris* 87 California PG
    70 Rebekah Gardner* 86 UCLA G
    80 Alyssa Fressle* 85 Colorado PG
    87 April Cook* 84 Washington State PG
    92 Malia Nahinu* 83 Arizona P
    95 Kimberly Brandon* 83 Arizona State F
    96 Michelle Jenkins* 82 USC F
    99 Alex Earl* 81 Arizona State PG
    2007
    4 Kayla Pedersen* 97 Stanford W
    Last edited by GATC; 04-10-2017 at 10:09 AM.

  7. #22
    Great list ... interesting reading -- and shows just how imprecise recruiting really is.
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  8. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by GATC View Post
    Thinking about your comment and really's comment regarding the rating of players domestically, I thought I would do a data dump of the Hoopgirl's ratings.
    Thanks! That motivated me to look up the Pac-12 All-Conference teams (15-players) back to 2012 (the earliest I could find) and insert those honors into your list.

    Players in ESPN's Top-15 were pretty good bets to make All-Conference, but plenty of lower- and un-ranked players made it. ASU had the most un-ranked players (5) on those All-Conference teams while Cal, UCLA, and USC had none.

    2018
    17 Lexie Hull* 96 Stanford G
    40 McKenzie Forbes* 93 California W

    2017
    8 Kiana Williams* 98 Stanford PG
    10 Michaela Onyenwere* 98 UCLA F
    11 Maya Dodson* 98 Stanford W
    15 Chantel Horvat* 98 UCLA G
    17 Ayanna Clark* 98 USC P
    21 Kianna Smith* 98 California G
    27 Taya Corosdale* 97 Oregon State F
    36 Kayla Owens* 97 UCLA W
    43 Alaysia Styles* 96 California W
    44 Estella Moschkau* 96 Stanford W
    63 Aleah Goodman* 95 Oregon State PG
    73 Aubrey Knight* 94 Colorado G
    85 Shalexxus Aaron* 94 USC W
    95 Samantha Thomas* 92 Arizona W

    2016
    4 Sabrina Ionescu* 98 Oregon G
    > All-Pac-12 2017
    14 Sierra Campisano* 98 Oregon F
    15 Valerie Higgins* 98 USC W
    26 Mikayla Pivec* 97 Oregon State PG
    27 Nadia Fingall* 97 Stanford F
    34 DiJonai Carrington* 97 Stanford G
    35 Lindsey Corsaro* 97 UCLA G
    36 Chanelle Molina* 97 Washington State PG
    39 Jamie Ruden* 97 Arizona State P
    40 Ruthy Hebard* 97 Oregon F
    > All-Pac-12 2017
    42 Anna Wilson* 96 Stanford PG
    47 Reili Richardson* 96 Arizona State PG
    55 Aarion McDonald* 95 Washington PG
    58 Allyson Rosenblum* 95 UCLA P
    60 Jaelyn Brown* 95 California W
    64 Robbi Ryan* 95 Arizona State PG
    68 Ja'Tavia Tapley* 95 USC W
    78 Mi'Cole Cayton* 94 California G
    89 Madison Washington* 94 Oregon State W
    92 Morgan Yaeger* 93 Oregon PG
    93 Katharine Tudor* 93 Oregon State G
    98 Mallory McGwire* 92 Oregon P

    2015
    8 Kristine Anigwe* 98 California P
    > All-Pac-12 2016, 2017
    15 Kennedy Burke* 98 UCLA W
    22 Ashley Hearn* 97 UCLA F
    37 Otiona Gildon* 97 Oregon F
    38 Marta Sniezek* 97 Stanford PG
    39 Katie McWilliams* 97 Oregon State G
    48 Deja Strother* 96 Washington P
    51 Chen Yue* 96 California P
    79 Alexis Robinson* 94 Colorado G
    81 Breanna Cavanaugh* 94 California PG
    NR Kennedy Leonard Colorado G
    > All-Pac-12 2017

    2014
    4 Jordin Canada* 98 UCLA PG
    > All-Pac-12 2016, 2017
    8 Lajahna Drummer* 98 UCLA F
    10 Mikayla Cowling* 98 California W
    12 Gabby Green* 98 California W
    15 McKenzie Calvert* 98 USC PG
    18 Taylor Rooks* 98 Stanford W
    19 Recee' Caldwell* 98 UCLA PG
    25 Brittany McPhee* 97 Stanford W
    > All-Pac-12 2017
    26 Kelli Hayes* 97 UCLA W
    30 Kaylee Johnson* 97 Stanford F
    38 Monique Billings* 97 UCLA F
    > All-Pac-12 2017
    48 Kristen Simon* 96 USC F
    > All-Pac-12 2017
    86 Taryn Griffey* 94 Arizona PG
    90 Amy Okonkwo* 93 USC P
    93 Ayanna Edwards* 93 Arizona State P
    95 McKynzie Fort* 92 Oregon PG
    NR Marie Gulich OSU F
    > All-Pac-12 2017
    NR Emily Potter Utah F
    > All-Pac-12 2016

    2013
    11 Erica McCall* 96 Stanford F
    > All-Pac-12 2016, 2017
    20 Kailee Johnson* 95 Stanford F
    26 Kelsey Plum* 95 Washington PG
    > All-Pac-12 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
    38 Courtney Range* 95 California W
    54 Kendall Waters* 94 California F
    65 Brianna Ruiz* 93 Washington G
    77 Karlie Samuelson* 93 Stanford G
    > All-Pac-12 2017
    80 Sydney Wiese* 93 Oregon State PG
    > All-Pac-12 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
    87 LaBrittney Jones* 93 Arizona F
    94 Dominique Williams* 92 UCLA PG
    NR Sophie Brunner ASU F
    > All-Pac-12 2015, 2016, 2017
    NR Chantel Osahor Washington C
    > All-Pac-12 2017
    NR Lili Thompson Stanford G
    > All-Pac-12 2015, 2016

    2012
    7 Jordan Adams* 97 USC G
    12 Nirra Fields* 96 UCLA G
    > All-Pac-12 2014, 2015, 2016
    13 Alyson Beebe* 96 Stanford P
    22 Katie Collier* 95 Washington P
    38 Jamee Swan* 94 Colorado F
    41 Jamie Weisner* 94 Oregon State G
    > All-Pac-12 2015, 2016
    64 Lauren Huggins* 93 Colorado W
    66 Lauren Holiday* 93 UCLA G
    93 Samantha Siegner* 92 Oregon State W
    96 Brianna Barrett* 92 USC PG
    99 Kari Korver* 92 UCLA G
    NR Jillian Alleyne Oregon F
    > All-Pac-12 2014, 2015, 2016
    NR Elisha Davis ASU G
    > All-Pac-12 2016
    NR Lia Galdeira WSU G
    > All-Pac-12 2014, 2015
    NR Ruth Hamblin OSU C
    > All-Pac-12 2015, 2016
    NR Katie Hempen ASU G
    > All-Pac-12 2016

    2011
    7 Justine Hartman* 96 California P
    13 Temi Fagbenle USC F
    > All-Pac-12 2016
    14 Alexyz Vaioletama* 95 USC F
    > All-Pac-12 2015
    15 Amber Orrange* 95 Stanford G
    > All-Pac-12 2013, 2014, 2015
    16 Ariya Crook-Williams* 95 USC PG
    21 Erika Johnson* 95 California W
    22 Reshanda Gray* 95 California F
    > All-Pac-12 2014, 2015
    25 Kacy Swain* 94 UCLA F
    26 Karina Alofaituli* 94 USC W
    28 Eliza Normen* 94 Arizona State W
    31 Taylor Greenfield* 94 Stanford G
    38 Brittany Boyd* 94 California PG
    > All-Pac-12 2013, 2014, 2015
    49 Alex Green* 93 Stanford G
    61 Bonnie Samuelson* 93 Stanford W
    78 Erica Payne* 93 Stanford F
    83 Jasmine Camp* 92 Stanford PG
    NR Promise Amukamara ASU G
    > All-Pac-12 2015
    NR Jazmine Davis Washington G
    > All-Pac-12 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
    NR Tia Presley WSU G
    > All-Pac-12 2014

    2010
    1 Chiney Ogwumike* 98 Stanford F
    > All-Pac-12 2012, 2013, 2014
    11 Cassie Harberts* 96 USC F
    > All-Pac-12 2013, 2014
    15 Afure Jemerigbe* 96 California G
    18 Sara James* 95 Stanford G
    29 Lindsay Sherbert* 95 California W
    35 Desiree Bradley* 95 USC W
    60 Toni Kokenis* 94 Stanford PG
    > All-Pac-12 2012
    87 Sage Romberg* 93 Washington State G
    99 Thaddesia Southall* 93 USC F
    NR Michelle Plouffe Utah F
    > All-Pac-12 2013, 2014

    2009
    4 Markel Walker* 97 UCLA W
    > All-Pac-12 2012, 2013
    10 Joslyn Tinkle* 96 Stanford P
    > All-Pac-12 2013
    16 Mikaela Ruef* 96 Stanford W
    20 Tierra Rogers* 95 California W
    22 Eliza Pierre* 94 California PG
    24 DeNesha Stallworth* 94 California F
    30 Gennifer Brandon* 94 California F
    > All-Pac-12 2013
    35 Christina Marinacci* 94 USC W
    40 Inga Orekhova* 94 USC W
    43 Talia Caldwell* 94 California P
    49 Brenna Heater* 93 California F
    67 Layshia Clarendon* 93 California G
    > All-Pac-12 2012, 2013
    84 Ki-shawna Moore* 93 Washington State PG
    NR Chucky Jeffrey Colorado G
    > All-Pac-12 2012, 2013
    NR Deja Mann ASU G
    > All-Pac-12 2014
    NR Davellyn Whyte Arizona F
    > All-Pac-12 2012, 2013
    NR Taryn Wicijowski Utah C
    > All-Pac-12 2012

    2008
    18 Liz Lay* 92 Washington F
    19 Atonye Nyingifa* 92 UCLA G
    > All-Pac-12 2013, 2014
    20 Allysia Brewer UCLA F
    > All-Pac-12 2013
    23 Ashley Corral* 91 USC PG
    25 Shawna-Lei Kuehu* 91 California G
    28 Briana Gilbreath* 91 USC W
    41 Sarah Boothe* 89 Stanford P
    48 Kristi Kingma* 88 Washington G
    > All-Pac-12 2013
    55 Casey Morris* 87 California PG
    70 Rebekah Gardner* 86 UCLA G
    80 Alyssa Fressle* 85 Colorado PG
    87 April Cook* 84 Washington State PG
    92 Malia Nahinu* 83 Arizona P
    95 Kimberly Brandon* 83 Arizona State F
    96 Michelle Jenkins* 82 USC F
    99 Alex Earl* 81 Arizona State PG

    2007
    4 Kayla Pedersen* 97 Stanford W
    Last edited by stu; 04-06-2017 at 08:44 PM.

  9. #24
    ^^^ You beat me to the punch Clay regarding SI.
    Bleacher Bea-r that is news to me about Sabrina. The AAU EYBL team (Coached by Sopak) she played on for 3 years was 3/4 African American.

    Coach LG and staff just need to scout shooters. We currently have a lot of althletic girls with skill but we need high percentage shooters, I said the same thing last year. We can compete we just need to put a system in place to have a Plan B, let the ladies feel like they are part of the process/build their confidence and play good defense.

  10. #25
    It wasnt the race of the team that was the issue.. Clay made that point clear. It was a team culture that was the point

  11. #26
    What was the team culture?

  12. #27
    Pac-12 All-Conference players (2012-2017) by school with ESPN prep rankings from GATC:

    Stanford: 1, 10, 11, 15, 25, 60, 77, NR
    UCLA: 4, 4, 12, 19, 20, 38
    Cal: 8, 22, 30, 38, 67
    ASU: NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
    USC: 11, 13, 14, 48
    Washington: 26, 48, NR, NR
    OSU: 41, 80, NR, NR
    Oregon: 4, 40, NR
    Utah: NR, NR, NR
    Colorado: NR, NR
    WSU: NR, NR
    Arizona: NR

    I'd say in this limited metric ASU, OSU, and Washington look best at evaluating and/or coaching up lower-ranked players.
    Last edited by stu; 04-06-2017 at 09:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Cats4CAL View Post
    What was the team culture?
    +100

  14. #29
    Not sure, didnt get into specifics with the person I talked to, but I was just defending what Clay said... he said team culture and everyone turned it into a race issue. Just stop

  15. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by stu View Post
    Pac-12 All-Conference players (2012-2017) by school with ESPN prep rankings from GATC:

    Stanford: 1, 10, 11, 15, 25, 60, 77, NR
    UCLA: 4, 4, 12, 19, 20, 38
    Cal: 8, 22, 30, 38, 67
    ASU: NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
    USC: 11, 13, 14, 48
    Washington: 26, 48, NR, NR
    OSU: 41, 80, NR, NR
    Oregon: 4, 40, NR
    Utah: NR, NR, NR
    Colorado: NR, NR
    WSU: NR, NR
    Arizona: NR

    I'd say in this limited metric ASU, OSU, and Washington look best at evaluating and/or coaching up lower-ranked players.
    Utah and Oregon with 3 players each right behind teams listed above them with 4 players each.




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