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    Quote Originally Posted by sycasey View Post
    Question: how do you assess "quality" in health care? What are the metrics and where do European models fall short?
    In the OC, it would be the quality of breast enhancements and face lifts.

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    I empathize with your family members dilemma, but abhor your salty comments about billionaire resources. With regards to "extracting all (? exaggeration) the savings from the family" I still like the system in place in the early fifties when my grandmother's house was to have a lien placed on it for medical care but lo' and behold my strictly middle class dad stepped up and avoided that by paying her San Jose Hospital claim. A family matter. I have also seen some of your posts on the "equities thread". Why not you stepping up in this situation versus the American taxpayer. Sounds like you are capable. I am totally against bailing responsibility to the government. Step up dajo. At the same time very sorry about the dilemma as it is.
    You abhor this comment? "I'm sure billionaire families have better resources to go to but I'm not sure they have better outcomes. The beds are probably more comfy." You really are a snowflake.

    When my relative was first hospitalized 17 years ago I had no savings and a job that paid under the national median (in California) and plans to take on loads of student debt to attend graduate school. In other words, I was flat broke. I received a call that my relative was behaving erratically. I went over and convinced my relative to go to the hospital with me, where my relative was checked in. At the hospital desk I handed them my two credit cards and asked them to please give my relative whatever help that was needed. Fortunately that was not necessary, as my relative was a university student and had insurance. There wasn't anyone in the family at that time that had any substantial savings to fall back on.

    17 years later, yes, if MediCal and social security disability are taken away from the mentally ill who can not provide for themselves then my relative will still have shelter and medicine during the periods of time when my relative accepts aid from family. The mere acceptance of aid from a family member is sometimes a complicated matter - after all we are talking about a person with a mental illness so things that may seem simple to you are not always so simple (you see, I took my relative to the hospital, so that means I am part of the conspiracy to take away my relative's freedom. This means that by orders of my relative, who is an adult, the doctors are not allowed to speak with me or other family members. Patient's rights, and all. Am I covering new ground for you here? Are these things you've not had to consider ever before?).

    I am also happy to have an income high enough that we pay a few thousand a year in Obamacare taxes which helps to sustain Medicaid. This contribution helps my relative, but more importantly, it helps the millions who need assistance who don't have family with the means to pay themselves - such as our family 17 years ago.

    It is sad to me that so much of America has grown so selfish, that they don't want to help these millions of people.
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    OC in New York like the reality shows, or in Florida, or in California?
    Quality should also be a function of longevity; good look today, gone tomorrow.

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCGOBEARS View Post
    In the OC, it would be the quality of breast enhancements and face lifts.

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    "The embarrassing faltering of the Republicans’ plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act might be both history lesson and harbinger. Republicans in Congress weren’t prepared with a workable plan, and Trump never had any plan. He campaigned on applause-line policies: Anything that roused a response from his rabid adherents, he repeated and amplified. He never gave details because the details didn’t exist, and he wouldn’t have been able to understand and articulate them if they did.

    Trump was simply a megaphone for the primal screams of Barack Obama-Hillary Clinton haters flipping out over the cultural anxiety accompanying the ascension of women and minorities."
    - Charles Blow, NY Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearister View Post
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    Trump was simply a megaphone for the primal screams of Barack Obama-Hillary Clinton haters flipping out over the cultural anxiety accompanying the ascension of women and minorities."
    - Charles Blow, NY Times
    I made this point exactly in the Trump/Russians thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCGOBEARS View Post
    I made this point exactly in the Trump/Russians thread.
    Interesting. When I was growing up, being a white male was a ticket to success. Now they have to compete on a relatively level playing field. I guess that would create anxiety. I didn't think about it until I read this because as an immigrant I've always had to compete on an uneven playing field so I felt that I had to be better just to be equal. But it is good because the glass ceiling encouraged me to start my own companies, which I would have never done if I was treated equally.

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    Looks like the Senate plans to vote on a possible repeal bill tomorrow. No one knows what's in it.

    This is a great process.

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    Sycasey you are such a hack. The republicans didn't complain when Democrats forced them to vote on Obamacare sight unseen (other than the 100+ hearings and 130+ amendments and 25 straight days of hearings in the senate after several months of review) so you shouldn't complain when Republicans hide their bill from everyone other than a handful of republican drafters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unit2Sucks View Post
    Sycasey you are such a hack. The republicans didn't complain when Democrats forced them to vote on Obamacare sight unseen (other than the 100+ hearings and 130+ amendments and 25 straight days of hearings in the senate after several months of review) so you shouldn't complain when Republicans hide their bill from everyone other than a handful of republican drafters.
    I mean, they're just doing exactly the same thing the Democrats did! Pelosi said something about "pass the bill so we know what's in it" once.

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    Anyway, now it looks like the tactic is for a "skinny repeal," which would basically knock down the individual mandate, employer mandate, and remove some taxes, but largely leave the Medicaid expansion and other regulations (pre-existing conditions, etc.) in place. Though honestly the whole thing has been so secretive it's impossible to know for sure.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...date-hail-mary

    This might get through the Senate, but also might cause some House conservatives to balk once they send it back to the lower chamber. It's also not at all clear if they can pass this under reconciliation (so they only need 50 votes, not 60 to avoid filibuster).

    The other long-term consequence of this is that it appears to me to basically set the dominoes in place for Democrats to pass single-payer the next time they gain control of the government. They're basically admitting that "Romneycare" doesn't work, but they are leaving government-subsidized care (Medicaid) in place.
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    According to a recent Pew Poll, 60% of all Americans nowsay that the government should be responsible for ensuring health care coverage for all Americans. Both parties trail

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    Here we go... The GOP got the votes to advance the bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCGOBEARS View Post
    Here we go... The GOP got the votes to advance the bill.
    On the threshold of the Pearly Gates you would have thunk a finger to The Cheeto and a crumb from the table for the little guy would have served McCain better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearister View Post
    On the threshold of the Pearly Gates you would have thunk a finger to The Cheeto and a crumb from the table for the little guy would have served McCain better.
    He ain't thinking straight.



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