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  1. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenYears View Post
    I guess there must just be a lot of really dumb basketball players who don't read US News & World Report

    Seriously though, anyone who doesn't understand why really talented basketball players pick a school like Kentucky over a school like Cal doesn't understand what really talented basketball players value the most. If you can play basketball, you could play for Siberia State and the NBA will find you and draft you, but most kids are thinking about what gives them the best chance to make the league. Academic rankings of university are way down there on the list of factors they are considering unless they feel like it's not a sure thing that they are NBA material and they need that degree to fall back on.
    the part you might be missing golden years is that marcus lee is not a dumbass high school all american basketball player, many have hs gpas in the low to mid 2.00s

    coach calipari's top incoming "student athlete" is national top 5 rated 6'10" nerlens noel who needed to pass 2 summer school classes to meet ncaa admittance standards (not kentucky standards which are apparently non-existent) because of his hs gpa of 2.1, no that is not a typo, 2.1 hs gpa

    lee has an impressive 3.2 hs gpa and considered duke

    odds:

    lee getting injured in college thereby derailing his basketball career and causing him to need to rely upon his college diploma-5 to 10%

    lee becoming financially wealthy with a cal degree-70-80%

    lee becoming an asst manager at subway with a kentucky degree-70-80%

    lee getting recruited over by a lottery type player like nerlens noel during the next 2-3 years at kentucky (calipari is a relentless recruiter/salesman)-30%-40%

    lee starting for the bears from day one/playing at least 30-35 minutes per game-95%

    lee's mom and brother bryan and family and lifelong coaches being able to afford to see more than 4 of his games in person a year (see my earlier post on travel costs to lexington)-10%

    lee's mom and brother bryan and family being able to attend all of his home games at haas and other bay area games (stanford, etc.)-100%

    lee's odds of playing with mcdonald all americans (that he has never played with) at kentucky that will freely pass him the ball-50%

    lee's odds of his friends bird and matthews passing him the ball-90%

    lee's odds of enjoying half the year of absolutely humid and suffocating hellish hot weather (mid march thru mid september) in lexington-25%

    do you disagree?

    family matters

    dominoes baby#
    Last edited by Shocky1; 09-21-2012 at 12:10 AM.

  2. #47

    Good Job, Shocky1!

    Well said!

    And in response to GoldenYears, it is not obvious that chances of making the NBA by playing for Kentucky are better than by playing for the Bears, or for that matter, almost any other school.

    A good case can be made that playing for the Bears enhances Lee's NBA chances, because Monty is a better coach/teacher than Calipari.

    Go Bears!

  3. #48
    Something else about paying attention to your college education is it will make you a better person in so many ways unrelated to salary.

  4. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by south bender View Post
    There is no comparison between Cal and the Kentucky schools academically, as you point out.

    Moreover, as for NBA preparation, there is no advantage to the Kentucky programs.

    Monty is not just a great coach and teacher, he knows the NBA well, from his two years as head coach of the Warriors. He will help the development of any player, as he has shown over his career. He will help prepare the superior player for the NBA. Calipari or Pitino have less to offer in that regard, in my opinion. And if you are ready for the NBA after your freshman or any other year, the NBA will find you, wherever you attend college.

    Kentucky and Louisville offer no advantages over Cal, while Cal has many advantages that these schools do not.

    Go Bears!
    I disagree only with Monty having the advantage with the NBA. Calipari and Petino both coached in the NBA. All three had zero success. I love how Monty is building this team for long term, sustainable success.

  5. #50
    I am aware of what you say about these coaches' NBA experience.

    I believe Monty is a better teacher of basketball and life in general than the other two.

    If Lee were my son I would counsel him that Monty and Cal offer the most.

  6. #51
    GoldenYears
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shocky1 View Post
    the part you might be missing golden years is that marcus lee is not a dumbass high school all american basketball player, many have hs gpas in the low to mid 2.00s

    coach calipari's top incoming "student athlete" is national top 5 rated 6'10" nerlens noel who needed to pass 2 summer school classes to meet ncaa admittance standards (not kentucky standards which are apparently non-existent) because of his hs gpa of 2.1, no that is not a typo, 2.1 hs gpa

    lee has an impressive 3.2 hs gpa and considered duke

    odds:

    lee getting injured in college thereby derailing his basketball career and causing him to need to rely upon his college diploma-5 to 10%

    lee becoming financially wealthy with a cal degree-70-80%

    lee becoming an asst manager at subway with a kentucky degree-70-80%

    lee getting recruited over by a lottery type player like nerlens noel during the next 2-3 years at kentucky (calipari is a relentless recruiter/salesman)-30%-40%

    lee starting for the bears from day one/playing at least 30-35 minutes per game-95%

    lee's mom and brother bryan and family and lifelong coaches being able to afford to see more than 4 of his games in person a year (see my earlier post on travel costs to lexington)-10%

    lee's mom and brother bryan and family being able to attend all of his home games at haas and other bay area games (stanford, etc.)-100%

    lee's odds of playing with mcdonald all americans (that he has never played with) at kentucky that will freely pass him the ball-50%

    lee's odds of his friends bird and matthews passing him the ball-90%

    lee's odds of enjoying half the year of absolutely humid and suffocating hellish hot weather (mid march thru mid september) in lexington-25%

    do you disagree?

    family matters

    dominoes baby#
    I hope you posted in the 4th and 1 thread on the football board with your understanding of probabilities

  7. #52

    lee family roadtrip to lexington

    kentucky's big blue madness is apparently good times for everyone...coach calipari is a great speaker!

    so how much would it cost marcus lee' mom, older brother bryan, another family member and wille beamon to accompany marcus on his official visit to scenic lexington on october12-14th?

    checking travelocity, the cheapest flights from oakland to lexington are on delta for $620 per person

    leave the lee's antioch home on friday october 12th at 4:00 am in order to check in at the oakland airport by 4:30 am (90 minutes before the 6:00 am delta departure)

    there are no direct or even 1 stop flights from oakland to lexington so the 6:00 am flight will stop in los angeles and atlanta and arrive in scenic lexington at 6:55 pm

    rent an enterprise suv (lexington car rental rates are quite inexpensive) so the total cost for the rental including taxes and one gasoline refill will be $125

    check into the doubletree hotel for $179 per room per night...the cost of the 2 rooms for 2 nights will be $780

    count on $25 per day per person for food and drinks

    check out of the doubletree on sunday october 14th by 4:00 am in order to return the rental and check in for the 6:00 am delta flights back to oakland

    delta stops in atlanta and salt lake city and arrive back into oakland at 12:12 pm

    pay $25 for oakland airport parking and drive home to antioch

    total cost of trip: around $3,700 plus a really reliable alarm clock

    go wildcats
    Last edited by Shocky1; 09-22-2012 at 10:08 AM.

  8. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Shocky1 View Post
    kentucky's big blue madness is apparently good times for everyone...coach calipari is a great speaker!

    so how much would it cost marcus lee' mom, older brother bryan, another family member and wille beamon to accompany marcus on his official visit to scenic lexington on october12-14th?

    checking travelocity, the cheapest flights from oakland to lexington are on delta for $620 per person

    leave the lee's antioch home on friday october 12th at 4:00 am in order to check in at the oakland airport by 4:30 am (90 minutes before the 6:00 am delta departure)

    there are no direct or even 1 stop flights from oakland to lexington so the 6:00 am flight will stop in los angeles and atlanta and arrive in scenic lexington at 6:55 pm

    rent an enterprise suv (lexington car rental rates are quite inexpensive) so the total cost for the rental including taxes and one gasoline refill will be $125

    check into the doubletree hotel for $179 per room per night...the cost of the 2 rooms for 2 nights will be $780

    count on $25 per day per person for food and drinks

    check out of the doubletree on sunday october 14th by 4:00 am in order to return the rental and check in for the 6:00 am delta flights back to oakland

    delta stops in atlanta and salt lake city and arrive back into oakland at 12:12 pm

    pay $25 for oakland airport parking and drive home to antioch

    total cost of trip: around $3,700 plus a really reliable alarm clock

    go wildcats

    Thank you Kentucky Parents Travel Fund (off balance sheet of course!).

  9. #54

    Lee and Kentucky

    Monty needs to do whatever he can to prevent Lee from taking that trip to Lexington. The odds of Lee choosing Cal after experiencing Kentucky in person are not good.

    Kentucky is the #1 basketball program in college basketball. Their fans are beyond passionate and fill their incredible arena every game. Every game is nationally televised and the team is discussed ad naseum by hoops pundits year around. The chance to play for a national championship there is tremendous. Calipari's track record at preparing talent for the NBA is nearly unmatched.

    Let's be honest here. Cal is a great choice for Lee and his family when it comes to academics, being close to home and playing with friends. In terms of basketball, Kentucky is #1 by a mile.

    I believe Lee can stay here, help make Cal a national power and become an NBA lottery pick. I hope he does.

    They key is to get him to decide before getting on the plane to Kentucky. Powe, Kidd and virtually every other prep hoops star who decides to stay home do so before taking an official trip to the national powers. At 17 years old, the impression that can be made by the Wildcats will be very, very hard to turn down.

  10. #55
    All due respect CHF, I don't see that happening. His recruitment has been closely managed by his family (brother it appears) and the fact that he trimmed his list down to 3 schools and appears ready to visit each, means he'll take the visit - which he should- and then decide.

    We all know that UK has the #1 hoops brand in college basketball right now. The factors that I believe are in our favor are: more first year playing time, proximity to family and given that he is likely a 2 year player in college, better development over that period as a result of Cal needing him on the floor sooner than UK does.

    I have it 65/35 Cal at this point.

  11. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by CalHoopFan View Post
    Monty needs to do whatever he can to prevent Lee from taking that trip to Lexington. The odds of Lee choosing Cal after experiencing Kentucky in person are not good.

    Kentucky is the #1 basketball program in college basketball. Their fans are beyond passionate and fill their incredible arena every game. Every game is nationally televised and the team is discussed ad naseum by hoops pundits year around. The chance to play for a national championship there is tremendous. Calipari's track record at preparing talent for the NBA is nearly unmatched.

    Let's be honest here. Cal is a great choice for Lee and his family when it comes to academics, being close to home and playing with friends. In terms of basketball, Kentucky is #1 by a mile.

    I believe Lee can stay here, help make Cal a national power and become an NBA lottery pick. I hope he does.

    They key is to get him to decide before getting on the plane to Kentucky. Powe, Kidd and virtually every other prep hoops star who decides to stay home do so before taking an official trip to the national powers. At 17 years old, the impression that can be made by the Wildcats will be very, very hard to turn down.
    100% disagree

    lee should take every free trip that is offered to him and see as much of the world that is avaialbe to a 17 year old...life is too short

    and then lee will make a decision

    family matters

  12. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by CalHoopFan View Post
    Monty needs to do whatever he can to prevent Lee from taking that trip to Lexington. The odds of Lee choosing Cal after experiencing Kentucky in person are not good.

    Kentucky is the #1 basketball program in college basketball. Their fans are beyond passionate and fill their incredible arena every game. Every game is nationally televised and the team is discussed ad naseum by hoops pundits year around. The chance to play for a national championship there is tremendous. Calipari's track record at preparing talent for the NBA is nearly unmatched.

    Let's be honest here. Cal is a great choice for Lee and his family when it comes to academics, being close to home and playing with friends. In terms of basketball, Kentucky is #1 by a mile.

    I believe Lee can stay here, help make Cal a national power and become an NBA lottery pick. I hope he does.

    They key is to get him to decide before getting on the plane to Kentucky. Powe, Kidd and virtually every other prep hoops star who decides to stay home do so before taking an official trip to the national powers. At 17 years old, the impression that can be made by the Wildcats will be very, very hard to turn down.
    We cannot "win" by preventing a kid from taking a recruiting trip. What we need to do is help him understand why Cal is still the better option, even if he takes the trip, even from a basketball standpoint (be a star and put up good numbers for the scouts versus being a cog in the machine).

    Explain that he will get to the NBA no matter what and will have years of 5 star hotels and groupies to look forward to if that is what he wants, but he won't have the chance to be a college student, meeting other college students in a normal dorm, where many people will relate to him as a person and won't care that he plays basketball, ever again. Let Carl Bird (as a fellow Oakland Soldiers parent) talk with him and his parents--you see the decision his son made.

  13. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by calumnus View Post
    We cannot "win" by preventing a kid from taking a recruiting trip. What we need to do is help him understand why Cal is still the better option, even if he takes the trip, even from a basketball standpoint (be a star and put up good numbers for the scouts versus being a cog in the machine).

    Explain that he will get to the NBA no matter what and will have years of 5 star hotels and groupies to look forward to if that is what he wants, but he won't have the chance to be a college student, meeting other college students in a normal dorm, where many people will relate to him as a person and won't care that he plays basketball, ever again. Let Carl Bird (as a fellow Oakland Soldiers parent) talk with him and his parents--you see the decision his son made.
    I would recommend he do take trips (non local) to those top on his short list as the process only occurs one time in his life... To make the best selection on one of his most important decision in his relatively young life, proceed with the process with due diligence. If he does not, there can be the endless "what if" questions that may linger. Sure, after an extensive evaluation of his top candidates, Cal is on top of his list, we all hope he then chooses Cal to attend... but that is because he feels that Cal program/university is the best path for him to take when all variables (that are important to him) are taken into consideration.

  14. #59

    Not making a suggestion for Lee but for Cal

    Quote Originally Posted by Shocky1 View Post
    100% disagree

    lee should take every free trip that is offered to him and see as much of the world that is avaialbe to a 17 year old...life is too short

    and then lee will make a decision

    family matters
    Very, very few prep hoops stars stay home after taking an official to a national power. Call me selfish but I want him at Cal thus I would prefer that he not take the trip and instead verbal to the Bears.

    Try and think of a recruit Cal landed, a top flight local recruit, that took an official to a power program and still ended up in Berkeley. Not sure it has ever happened.

  15. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by CalHoopFan View Post
    Very, very few prep hoops stars stay home after taking an official to a national power. Call me selfish but I want him at Cal thus I would prefer that he not take the trip and instead verbal to the Bears.

    Try and think of a recruit Cal landed, a top flight local recruit, that took an official to a power program and still ended up in Berkeley. Not sure it has ever happened.
    All we can really do is sit tight and hope for the best.

    But I agree, his trip to Kentucky doesn't inspire confidence in me. He's a young kid and 17-year-olds tend to be impressionable. Coach Cal is slick--he's bar none the best salesman in basketball. He could sell ice to an Eskimo. Kentucky is literally an NBA farm team and they have all the bells and whistles that come with that distinction.

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