Women's Swim Recruiting: Class of 2016
Hey Everyone! I just thought the old recruiting thread was getting a little cumbersome and messy, so I'm dedicating a new thread for our 2016 recruits. The following categories are just my opinion and not based on anything but intuition. Overall, I feel the talent level isn't as high as last year, and no one should be expecting another Dream Team like 2015, but at the same time, there are several talented swimmers at the top that we need to get.
The Must Gets
Katie Drabot - Cedarburg, Wisconsin - 200 IM, 400 IM, and 200 Free
Claire Adams - Carmel, Indiana - 100 Back, 200 Back, 200 Free
Allie Szekely - Doylestown, Pennsylvania - 200 Breast, 200 Back, 200 IM
Megan Byrnes - Fairfax, Virginia - 1650 Free, 500 Free
Erin Voss - North Hampton, Massachusetts - 200 Back, 500 Free, 1650 Free
Great Swimmers Who Are Likely Not Coming To Cal.....But I Would Love To Be Wrong
Becca Mann - Clearwater, Florida - 1650, 500 Free
Beata Nelson - Madison, Wisconsin - 100 Fly, 100 Back, 100 Free
Megan Small - Lineboro, Maryland - 200 IM, 400 IM, 100 Back
Moriah Simonds - Livermore, California - 200 Free, 500 Free, 1650 Free
Maddie Murphy - Orinda, California - 100 Fly, 50 Free, 100 Free
Erika Brown - Cornelius, North Carolina (formerly of Pleasanton, California) - 200 Free, 100 Free, 100 Fly
Alyssa Marsh - Charlotte, North Carolina - 100 Back, 50 Free, 100 Free
Courtney Mykkanen - Irvine, California - 100 Back, 200 Back
I'm sure there will be many changes to this list by the time NLI day comes around.
Last edited by tedbear; 04-27-2015 at 07:48 PM.
Great list. Thanks, tedbear. Adams would allow Baker to stay in the 100 breast. Drabot could swim 500 free, 200 IM, 400 IM, 200 free, or 200 breast for the Bears. As an aside, one of my nieces lives in Cedarburg. Thank Oski her kids don't have the same accent. Katie makes Bootsma sound like a Valley Girl.
Losing Pelton, Bootsma, Naze, Acker, and Grima. Can probably afford Abbey, Drabot, Adams, and another high end swimmer + a combo of 2 locals and/or legacies.
Cheers for providing a separate discussion thread for *2016* recruits :)
Echoing BearDevil's thanks for tedbear's well-crafted 2016 Recruits list!
Liking every name mentioned, now if only Teri could afford them all...
Nice finds on all those videos too
I personally might consider adding this swimmer to the "nice to have but not a priority" category:
Erin Voss - 500 Free, 400 IM (with a bit of further improvement), 1650 Free or 200 Back (unfortunately not a viable double on Day 3 of NCAAs)
The following are not multi-event NCAA scorers at this stage of their development, but their specialties may come in useful:
Lindsey Horejsi - Sprint Breast
Grace Oglesby - Fly
For reference (and a bit of nostalgia) with regards to all of our old comments + debates on the merits of all these prospects, here's that original topic which tedbear had initiated back when targeting the 2015 Recruits (but which blew up to encompass 2016 & 2017 Recruits lol):
There's elite talent at the top of the class and Cal's needs don't correspond with their rivals' needs. Top five recruits will be Ledecky, Abbey, Stanzi, Small, and Mann. Top three are already off the board.
Georgia should end up with the top ranked class since they will have the most $s. They don't have a shot to win it all in 2016, but with the right class they'll be back in the hunt for 2017. They already have Burchill, which may give them an in with Adams. They already have two elite backstrokers (Smoliga and Stewart) but neither have improved. Georgia also has ties to Small. Getting both would be devastating, but probably won't happen. Cal has a better track record with both backstrokers and IMers. Big win for the Bears if they get either Adams or Small. Should be in play for Mann, but could see her at Michigan, ASU, or UVa too.
LSJU needs stroke depth in back and fly. Probably won't add distance to Ledecky. Drabot's likely their top target. An 800 free relay of Manuel, Ledecky, Neal, and Drabot could break Cal's record. Byrnes went to the same high school as Janet Hu and swam at NCAP with Hu and Ledecky. Just don't seeing adding distance over back and fly depth.
Can't see the Bears getting below a top three class and it doesn't really matter as long as Teri fills her needs and neither Georgia nor LSJU runs the table. Pretty good options in distance (Byrnes, Voss, or Mann) and back (Adams or Small). Can't see the Bears getting shut out on needs and hoping other elite talent spreads beyond Georgia and LSJU.
Sorry to ask in this thread but I didn't know the appropriate place to ask. Does anyone know how I can access the Pac12 Women's Swimming Championship broadcasts again? I had all 3 broadcasts of the P12 and the NCAA championship meets recorded on my DVR but it crashed and so I lost it all. I found the NCAA meet on ESPN3 but I can only find recaps of the P12 championships on the P12 Network. My daughter likes to watch it before her meets. Thanks!
Not sure, but...
Maybe go on SwimSwam, or CollegeSwimming.com or Swimming World and get into posts and ask personnel responsible for site content or ask other posters on the boards and you may get the reply you are asking for.
Originally Posted by PalyBear
Looking back at 2012, Bears (Bootsma, Missy) and LSJU (Neal, Ledecky) eventually split high school American Olympians. Pretty good chance that Ledecky and Abbey both make the team. Pretty unlikely that any high schoolers (other than Ledecky) make the team in individual events (top 2), but a few 400 (Abbey, Stanzi) or 800 (Ledecky, Drabot) relay spots (top 6) are up for grabs.
With Hull on board and Abbey in the pipeline, Drabot becomes an even bigger priority. Not a bad problem, but Bears will have too many 50/100 sprinters (Farida, Amy, Hull, KV) and not enough 100/200 freestylers (Baker, KM). Abbey can stretch out to 200, but would be a shame to pull her out of another relay to swim on the 800 free relay.
Ironically Teri didn't have enough 50/100 sprinters on her most recent teams and had too many 100/200 freestylers (Piehl, Cheng, Acker, Pelton). Needs Drabot and maybe Erika Brown to bracket the pure sprinters and leave Abbey on relays where she can make the most impact. Same logic applies to another backstroker or sprint breaststroker to free up Baker.
Runge is a pretty decent 200 freestyler
50/100/200 Free times for Bears & 2016 recruits
After reading BD's insightful commentary on the ratio of 50/100 sprinters vs 100/200 freestylers on the team, I started to put together a ranking of the team members in these 3 events for the 2016-2017 season based on currently available data, factoring in the performances of a number of tedbear's prospective 2016 recruits (bolded & underlined names).
Bit of an academic exercise really since these freestyle races would obviously be off-events for many here, but I thought it might be interesting to see who may have some potential for contributing to the team scoring at both NCAA or Pac-12 level if called upon. Please let me know if there are any omissions or inaccurate data so that they can be corrected and updated, thanks.
21.49 Abbey Weitzeil
21.63 Farida Osman
------------------------------- (22.14 = Slowest Prelims time that qualified for 2015 NCAA Finals)
22.15 Amy Bilquist
22.25 Valerie Hull
22.38 Kristen Vredeveld (2011 PB = 22.17)
22.51 Beata Nelson
------------------------------- (22.62 = Slowest time @ 2015 NCAA B Finals)
22.63 Kathleen Baker
22.70 Katie McLaughlin (2013)
22.70 Jasmine Mau (2013)
22.75 Katie Drabot
22.76 Alyssa Marsh
22.95 Erika Brown
22.97 Claire Adams
22.97 Cierra Runge (2013)
23.14 Maddie Murphy
------------------------------- (23.16 = Slowest Prelims time that qualified for 2015 Pac-12 Finals)
23.17 Meghan Small
23.22 Noemie Thomas
23.44 Jenna Campbell (2012)
23.52 Catherine Ladd (2012)
46.29 Abbey Weitzeil
47.79 Farida Osman
------------------------------- (47.81 = Slowest Prelims time that qualified for 2015 NCAA A Finals)
48.20 Kathleen Baker
48.32 Katie McLaughlin
48.36 Amy Bilquist
------------------------------- (48.59 = Slowest Prelims time that qualified for 2015 NCAA B Finals)
48.67 Jasmine Mau
48.88 Valerie Hull
48.96 Katie Drabot
49.02 Beata Nelson (2013)
49.19 Claire Adams (has split a 48.10 w/a flying start = 48.60 approx.)
49.24 Cierra Runge (2012)
49.25 Kristen Vredeveld (2011 PB = 48.32)
49.55 Catherine Ladd (2012)
49.86 Erika Brown
50.02 Maddie Murphy
50.15 Alyssa Marsh
------------------------------- (50.37 = Slowest Prelims time that qualified for 2015 Pac-12 Finals)
50.38 Meghan Small
50.57 Jenna Campbell (2012)
1:42.73 Cierra Runge
1:43.61 Kathleen Baker
------------------------------- (1:43.80 = Slowest Prelims time that qualified for 2015 NCAA A Finals)
1:44.28 Abbey Weitzeil
1:44.66 Katie McLaughlin
1:45.03 Amy Bilquist
1:45.09 Claire Adams
1:45.22 Katie Drabot
------------------------------- (1:45.36 = Slowest Prelims time that qualified for 2015 NCAA B Finals)
1:45.48 Meghan Small
1:46.27 Celina Li (2013)
1:46.35 Jenna Campbell (2013)
1:46.47 Erika Brown
1:47.09 Jasmine Mau
1:47.67 Valerie Hull
1:47.73 Becca Mann
1:47.87 Erin Voss
1:47.88 Catherine Ladd (2012)
1:47.93 Moriah Simonds
1:48.61 Megan Byrnes
------------------------------- (1:49.24 = Slowest Prelims time that qualified for 2015 Pac-12 Finals)
Originally Posted by UrsusArctosCalifornicus
Good work, UAC. To me, this is another example of how amazing the Dream Team is going to be!
Exactly. Thanks, UAC.
Originally Posted by tedbear
Was looking at the 50/100 and 100/200 splits for relays, but it does play into individual NCAA programs too. All of the Dream Team could swim all five relays for the Bears, so the question is how do you optimize their 4 relays with their individual events.
Adding Hull makes the 2017 200 relay clear (Abbey, Farida, Amy, Hull). Abbey's individual program is clear: 50/200/100. She's Cal's fastest in the 50 and 100, so think she skips the 800. Would save her from an additional 200 swim (timed relays) on a day when she'd have two medley relay swims plus 2 200 frees.
Baker's locked into breast legs on both medleys, the 800, and the 400 relays. Her individual program looks like 200 IM, 100 breast, and 200 back. Katie M will fight Farida for the fly leg on the 200 medley, but swim the fly in the 400 medley, the 800 free, and probably the 400 free. Not sure if she swims the 50 free or 200 IM on Thursday, but safe bet for both flys.
Amy has a lot more range than I thought. 200 free relay for sure. Back legs on both medleys unless Teri adds an elite backstroke (Adams or Small) or a sprint breaststroke who could free up Baker (both individually and medley legs). Amy's program is likely 50, 100 back, and either 100 free or 200 back.
Can see why Teri recruits for relays and versatility. Hull helps in the 200 free and perhaps the 400 free relays. Drabot could save Abbey for more productive relays than the 800 free. Also could swim the 200 IM or 500 free, 200 free, and the 200 breast. 400 IM is a need, but she's more valuable in the 200 and 800 free.
Teri wanted to augment her potential relay options with Abi Speers, Cat Ladd, and Jenna Campbell. Erika Brown could fit that role geared more toward middle distance.
The Amy - Claire connection
Last edited by UrsusArctosCalifornicus; 06-12-2015 at 07:07 PM.
Reason: more photos...
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