Official Keep Riley Starting and Nate on Bench Thread -
09-27-2008, 08:20 PM
Tedford and Cignetti are not letting Riley be himself. Im sick and tired of these short little passes that only lead to three and outs. Riley has the most beautiful touch on his mid-long passes as seen when Riley threw the dropped td from about 40 yards out. And today he threw as many passes as Longshore did today despite playing more.
Tedford and Cignetti are not letting Riley be himself. Im sick and tired of these short little passes that only lead to three and outs. Riley has the most beautiful touch on his mid-long passes as seen when Riley threw the dropped td from about 40 yards out. And today he threw as many passes as Longshore did today despite playing more.
Riley Now, Riley Tomorrow, Riley Forever!
Two things are equally true.
One is that the offensive play calling has been awful. The pass plays are overly conservative and too full of screens that very rarely work.
The other is that Riley needs to be a lot more accurate with his throwing if he wants to hold on to his job.
With Best hurt hopefully Riley be the focal point of the offense. Not the way anyone wanted it to happen but Riley if given the chance will make things happen.
I've never thought this about you before, because I've always respected you. But you're being a douchebag. I don't know why. Riley is struggling and that should be clear to anyone. I loved what he did against Air Force, too, but he has not been cutting it this year.
P.S. Riley gets it. Not sure why you don't.
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After the game, a despondent Riley took responsibility for missing those open receivers.
“Those are easy throws,” Riley said. “I’ve got to hit them. I just rushed it.”
Riley said he understood why Tedford yanked him from the game.
“I wasn’t performing,” Riley said. “Nate went in and did the job. I just need to play better, plain and simple. I need to hit open guys. … I was over-thinking a little too much.”
Last edited by grandmastapoop; 09-27-2008 at 08:46 PM.
I've never thought this about you before, because I've always respected you. But you're being a douchebag. I don't know why. Riley is struggling and that should be clear to anyone. I loved what he did against Air Force, too, but he has not been cutting it this year.
I can't believe they let you out of law school if you can't even read.
Tedford is setting Riley up for failure. When Riley is under center, we run for most of the half, with less than 13 passes thrown and when we do throw it's mostly stupid screens. Also when Riley is under center, we put Best in the slot for every pass play, signaling the defense that it will be a pass and allowing them to remove players from the box and put them on the receivers or in a deeper zone. When Riley finally gets a chance to pass, and pass deep, he's right on target but the receiver drops it. Also 2 Riley drives ended on RB fumbles, so it's tough to say if things hadn't gone that way he wouldn't have had at least one more successful drive.
Contrast with when Nate is in. Already no pressure at that point so Nate can relax. Lots of passes thrown, percentage wise more than when Riley was in. And high percentage passes, short to mid range, over the middle or out routes. Even so Nate was throwing of his back foot and not putting the ball in tightly enough. There were two occasions where he threw poorly into double or triple coverage over the middle, and a better defense would have had two interceptions against him, while I don't remember a Riley ball that was in danger of being picked. Nate was only 9 of 13 compared to Rileys 6 of 13 including 2 dropped balls, so its close in terms of passing accuracy. Riley's yardage was less because he threw several of those screens that never work. Nate looked ugly on that slow developing roll out where he threw to Will T, I can't remember if it was a completion, just remember it being ugly.
My point in all this is that I think play calling is favoring Longshore and not playing to Riley's strengths. From my eye Riley is better in terms of mobility, arm strength, ability to unload when necessary, and protecting the ball (keeping it out of the defenses hands). Riley has 1, yes 1 interception this year and it was when his receiver fell down. Nate already has 2 ints even with severely limited playing time.
Tedford is setting Riley up for failure. When Riley is under center, we run for most of the half, with less than 13 passes thrown and when we do throw it's mostly stupid screens. Also when Riley is under center, we put Best in the slot for every pass play, signaling the defense that it will be a pass and allowing them to remove players from the box and put them on the receivers or in a deeper zone. When Riley finally gets a chance to pass, and pass deep, he's right on target but the receiver drops it. Also 2 Riley drives ended on RB fumbles, so it's tough to say if things hadn't gone that way he wouldn't have had at least one more successful drive.
Contrast with when Nate is in. Already no pressure at that point so Nate can relax. Lots of passes thrown, percentage wise more than when Riley was in. And high percentage passes, short to mid range, over the middle or out routes. Even so Nate was throwing of his back foot and not putting the ball in tightly enough. There were two occasions where he threw poorly into double or triple coverage over the middle, and a better defense would have had two interceptions against him, while I don't remember a Riley ball that was in danger of being picked. Nate was only 9 of 13 compared to Rileys 6 of 13 including 2 dropped balls, so its close in terms of passing accuracy. Riley's yardage was less because he threw several of those screens that never work. Nate looked ugly on that slow developing roll out where he threw to Will T, I can't remember if it was a completion, just remember it being ugly.
My point in all this is that I think play calling is favoring Longshore and not playing to Riley's strengths. From my eye Riley is better in terms of mobility, arm strength, ability to unload when necessary, and protecting the ball (keeping it out of the defenses hands). Riley has 1, yes 1 interception this year and it was when his receiver fell down. Nate already has 2 ints even with severely limited playing time.
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this made no sense to me. You complain that Riley had too many screens called for him and then say Nate's success was a lot of short passes (which were screens btw). You say Nate looked ugly rolling out and argue that the playcalling favored Nate (because Nate's running ability is his bread and butter?).
I don't get why we start doing these rollouts while Nate is under center and don't do them with Riley. Other than that, the playcalling was the same, Riley just didn't deliver. Nate also had a medium length pass dropped by Morrah, possibly b/c Morrah hadn't had a pass hit him in the hands in a month. The drop was probably worse than Young's drop of the rare really nice pass Riley threw. You say Riley was somehow hindered by the two fumbles but neglect that Riley's only td came because of a bogus PI call. Also, Riley played under the same lack of pressure Nate did. The defense and special teams put us up pretty quickly.
I don't know if we passed the ball a lot more with Nate. We didn't have the ball as much in the first half because of all the non-offensive scores.
Riley was playing basketball out there. After throwing high for a couple games he was throwing bounce passes.
Riley wasn't seeing the field well either. There was one play where CSU screwed up and didn't line up anyone on Boateng. If Riley quick snaps, he has an easy pass to a wide open Nyan. Riley instead stays under center for a while until CSU realizes they have no one on Boateng and someone starts racing over from the other side of the field. Riley snaps the ball, looks at a still momentarily open Boateng and then throws to the other side.
CSU eventually had 9 looking for the run and had some scrubby looking corners 1 on 1 with our receivers. Riley never tested them. CSU eventually figured out that Conte can't cover and went after him.
This isn't about Nate playing great, because he didn't. But Riley was really bad and it wasn't a 1 game fluke. You can't win in the PAC10 without a qb who can get the ball to the receivers. With the way Riley played you might as well call them observers. They get some cardio and see the plays from up close, but you can't catch a ball that isn't thrown near you.
this made no sense to me. You complain that Riley had too many screens called for him and then say Nate's success was a lot of short passes (which were screens btw). You say Nate looked ugly rolling out and argue that the playcalling favored Nate (because Nate's running ability is his bread and butter?).
I was referring to yardage, Nate had only 3 more completions but 50 more yards, 30 of those came from the fact that he was throwing 10 yards downfield vs several plays called for Riley to throw behind the line of scrimmage to Vareen or Best. Also with regard to the rolling, yes it's not Nate's strength, but in a game where the pocket was often suffering minor collapses, Nate was afforded a few plays on those rollouts, while Riley had to throw the ball away several times.
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Originally Posted by boredom
Riley wasn't seeing the field well either. There was one play where CSU screwed up and didn't line up anyone on Boateng. If Riley quick snaps, he has an easy pass to a wide open Nyan. Riley instead stays under center for a while until CSU realizes they have no one on Boateng and someone starts racing over from the other side of the field. Riley snaps the ball, looks at a still momentarily open Boateng and then throws to the other side.
CSU eventually had 9 looking for the run and had some scrubby looking corners 1 on 1 with our receivers. Riley never tested them. CSU eventually figured out that Conte can't cover and went after him.
It wasn't just one play, weather the CB was there or not, Boetang was open on nearly every play. It's like he's invisible to both Riley and Nate, neither threw many passes to him. Maybe he's the 3rd receiver on all theses plays and they never check down to him? Hopefully the coaches will see all this in film.
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