What do you guys think about this? I have a two year old kid at home so curious how similar folks are deciding whether to go to the game or not. I am/was primed to go until my wife sent me the below article.

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/32127512/with-covid-19-cases-rising-how-safe-stadiums-fans

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What do you guys think about this? I have a two year old kid at home so curious how similar folks are deciding whether to go to the game or not. I am/was primed to go until my wife sent me the below article.

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/32127512/with-covid-19-cases-rising-how-safe-stadiums-fans

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MLB stadiums are currently packed with no real restrictions right? So should this be any different? I'm asking sincerely and wondering if the MLB and NFL are playing with fire.

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Do the risk/reward balance test and you will know the right thing to do.
It is one thing to make a decision to take a risk for yourself, quite another when you make that decision for a child whose safety you are responsible for (like the morons that ride their babies around with them on bikes in traffic).

You have to go with the experts. The sample size is too small with the season just starting. Wait a couple of games and see how it shakes out. No sin erring on the side of caution.

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Yup - leaning this way. I am not taking my two year old to the game but yes he's impacted by my decision to go. That said, the article focused on doctors from the "football" states and they kept referencing "packed" stadiums. We will be far from packed so my decision point is - hey we are outside, vaccinated, will wear masks, and sit in a place where many will not be around.

I am trying to balance fear vs. rationality because it's been a very long time since we've been out for a good time.

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I made the hard decision not to renew season tickets because CAL won't require fans to be vaccinated. If I do go to the opener it will be a end zone seat without people sitting next to me.
Geez even LSU is requiring vaccinations/negative tests. Cal has really failed on this one

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So true - especially after all the hoopla they made about it last season this seems so inept ... But I guess not surprising for Berkeley politicians.

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I made the hard decision not to renew season tickets because CAL won't require fans to be vaccinated. If I do go to the opener it will be a end zone seat without people sitting next to me.
Geez even LSU is requiring vaccinations/negative tests. Cal has really failed on this one

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LSU can afford to turn spectators away.

Since I am one of those good for nothing Boomers that got a 4 year Cal education for less than a $3000 total tuition cost, I buy hoop and football tickets every year regardless of my projected attendance. It helps assuage the guilt.

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fat_slice said:

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What do you guys think about this? I have a two year old kid at home so curious how similar folks are deciding whether to go to the game or not. I am/was primed to go until my wife sent me the below article.

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/32127512/with-covid-19-cases-rising-how-safe-stadiums-fans

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MLB stadiums are currently packed with no real restrictions right? So should this be any different? I'm asking sincerely and wondering if the MLB and NFL are playing with fire.

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I can't speak for other teams, but when I went to a Dodgers game, I was told everyone had to wear a mask. As soon as I walked through the gates, I found out gaiters weren't considered face masks. I was given a surgical mask, which I put on then covered up with my gaiter.

That said, I saw plenty of people walking around without masks or with masks under their chin. That was reason enough for me not to go back to watch another game at Dodger Stadium.

My concern is with yelling to support the defense. To me that is the difference between baseball and football, the yelling is different. Will the yelling be muted on Saturday.

I'm going, and I will wear a mask, and hope that the crowd is small enough that there won't be a lot of people near my father and I. If the percentage of the Bay Area that is vaccinated wasn't so high, I probably wouldn't go, or my wife wouldn't let me go. We have a seven-year-old. At this point, frankly, I need the normalcy of going to the game with my dad, even if I have to mask.

This isn't going to be a packed stadium. If you want to go see the Bears, I'd suggest going, bringing hand sanitizer and wearing a mask at all times. If you're sending your kids to school or preschool 200 days a year, for an entire day, a few masked hours at an outdoor football game shouldn't be much of an issue, imo. But a 7:30 kickoff is way too late for 2yr old to be party to anyway, imo. Better to watch on TV.

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This isn't going to be a packed stadium. If you want to go see the Bears, I'd suggest going, bringing hand sanitizer and wearing a mask at all times. If you're sending your kids to school or preschool 200 days a year, for an entire day, a few masked hours at an outdoor football game shouldn't be much of an issue, imo. But a 7:30 kickoff is way too late for 2yr old to be party to anyway, imo. Better to watch on TV.

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Thanks for your perspective. And yup - should have clarified in my initial post that my 2 yo will be staying at home if we do end up going. I've already lined up his grandparents for this so now it's just a matter of deciding whether to go or not.

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bearsandgiants said:

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This isn't going to be a packed stadium. If you want to go see the Bears, I'd suggest going, bringing hand sanitizer and wearing a mask at all times. If you're sending your kids to school or preschool 200 days a year, for an entire day, a few masked hours at an outdoor football game shouldn't be much of an issue, imo. But a 7:30 kickoff is way too late for 2yr old to be party to anyway, imo. Better to watch on TV.

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Thanks for your perspective. And yup - should have clarified in my initial post that my 2 yo will be staying at home if we do end up going. I've already lined up his grandparents for this so now it's just a matter of deciding whether to go or not.

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But if you get the Stank, you can pass it on.

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That said, I saw plenty of people walking around without masks or with masks under their chin. That was reason enough for me not to go back to watch another game at Dodger Stadium.

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The reaction of indoctrinated people (with marginal IQ's) that think they are being forced to make a concession to the Evil Side in the Culture War of Good vs Evil.



Anti-mask idiot goes bat guano crazy at Miami airport: facepalm


https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/pdh5jo/antimask_idiot_goes_bat****_crazy_at_miami_airport/

My wife and I renewed our season tickets but have not decided whether to go to the Nevada game or not. We are both fully vaccinated, but we know that we can still get a mild case of COVID and that vaccinated people can transmit the virus to others, even if the transmission window is for fewer days than for unvaccinated people. Personally, I would not go to the TCU game even if I was wearing a hazmat suit with the high current transmission rate in Texas.

Maybe the COB can get an injunction against those varmints from stepping foot inside the city limits.

This is interesting because a few months ago people were complaining they would not go if masks were required. Now the opposite. Im not going because of the game time. But I would not go if I had to wear a mask, even though it is probably prudent. Its a matter of comfort. After reading that article I may not go to any games.

The red hots go regardless. The question is, how many are there ?

Cal says they sold out of student combo passes, $99 to get in to basketball and football. 1. How many sold? 2.:How many will go to basketball?

I got a text from my cutout. He said he is too afraid to go.

It could be worse.

<a href="https://ibb.co/kcL9P1g"><img src="" alt="C9-E80-A95-6613-4193-A2-D6-D77154-B943-BF" border="0"></a>

Huntington Bank Stadium for Ohio State @ Minnesota looks packed.

People, the game is outside and there will be NO PROBLEM social distancing. Just wear three masks in the bathroom.

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People, the game is outside and there will be NO PROBLEM social distancing. Just wear three masks in the bathroom.

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It might be safer to use the porta-potty on the East Side. But bring your own hand sanitizer.

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This isn't going to be a packed stadium. If you want to go see the Bears, I'd suggest going, bringing hand sanitizer and wearing a mask at all times. If you're sending your kids to school or preschool 200 days a year, for an entire day, a few masked hours at an outdoor football game shouldn't be much of an issue, imo. But a 7:30 kickoff is way too late for 2yr old to be party to anyway, imo. Better to watch on TV.

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Hand sanitizer for an airborne disease? Good luck with that. Maybe wear a funny shirt for protection, too. You never know.

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Hand sanitizer is recommended since many of those air droplets carrying Covid eventually land on a surface that you might touch. Or people who are infected touch parts of their face and then touch surfaces that you might touch.

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sluggo said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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This isn't going to be a packed stadium. If you want to go see the Bears, I'd suggest going, bringing hand sanitizer and wearing a mask at all times. If you're sending your kids to school or preschool 200 days a year, for an entire day, a few masked hours at an outdoor football game shouldn't be much of an issue, imo. But a 7:30 kickoff is way too late for 2yr old to be party to anyway, imo. Better to watch on TV.

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Hand sanitizer for an airborne disease? Good luck with that. Maybe wear a funny shirt for protection, too. You never know.

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Hand sanitizer is recommended since many of those air droplets carrying Covid eventually land on a surface that you might touch. Or people who are infected touch parts of their face and then touch surfaces that you might touch.

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I remember April, 2020. "Findings of these studies suggest that the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection via the fomite transmission route is low, and generally less than 1 in 10,000, which means that each contact with a contaminated surface has less than a 1 in 10,000 chance of causing an infection." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html

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This isn't going to be a packed stadium. If you want to go see the Bears, I'd suggest going, bringing hand sanitizer and wearing a mask at all times. If you're sending your kids to school or preschool 200 days a year, for an entire day, a few masked hours at an outdoor football game shouldn't be much of an issue, imo. But a 7:30 kickoff is way too late for 2yr old to be party to anyway, imo. Better to watch on TV.

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Hand sanitizer for an airborne disease? Good luck with that. Maybe wear a funny shirt for protection, too. You never know.

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Hand sanitizer is recommended since many of those air droplets carrying Covid eventually land on a surface that you might touch. Or people who are infected touch parts of their face and then touch surfaces that you might touch.

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I remember April, 2020. "Findings of these studies suggest that the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection via the fomite transmission route is low, and generally less than 1 in 10,000, which means that each contact with a contaminated surface has less than a 1 in 10,000 chance of causing an infection." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html

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Thanks for the link. But from my quick reading it appears that the 1/10,000 chance of infection is an overall percentage. That percentage increases based upon (1) the type of surface touched by the infected person (non-porous surfaces such plastic and ceramic and chrome surfaces promoting greater infection) and (2) the length of time following contact by the infected person on the surface (generally the shorter the interval of time the greater the possibility of infection) and (3) other factors such as being indoors vs outdoors (generally being indoors increases the possibility of infection).

So applying these factors to real world situations at CMS I would conclude (not being a scientist) that the 1/10,000 percentage would not be an accurate reflection of a person's real risk of infection from contact with surfaces where: (1) the surfaces are smooth and non-porous as those in most restrooms and porta-potties. (2) contact with an infected surface can follow within minutes if not seconds following contact of that surface by an infected person as in most crowded restrooms and frequently used porta-potties; and (3) contact is made indoors and in enclosed environments such as indoor restrooms and enclosed porta-potties.

Based upon that conclusion there is good reason to use a hand sanitizer or thoroughly washing your hands with soap.

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bearsandgiants said:

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This isn't going to be a packed stadium. If you want to go see the Bears, I'd suggest going, bringing hand sanitizer and wearing a mask at all times. If you're sending your kids to school or preschool 200 days a year, for an entire day, a few masked hours at an outdoor football game shouldn't be much of an issue, imo. But a 7:30 kickoff is way too late for 2yr old to be party to anyway, imo. Better to watch on TV.

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Hand sanitizer for an airborne disease? Good luck with that. Maybe wear a funny shirt for protection, too. You never know.

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Hand sanitizer is recommended since many of those air droplets carrying Covid eventually land on a surface that you might touch. Or people who are infected touch parts of their face and then touch surfaces that you might touch.

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I remember April, 2020. "Findings of these studies suggest that the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection via the fomite transmission route is low, and generally less than 1 in 10,000, which means that each contact with a contaminated surface has less than a 1 in 10,000 chance of causing an infection." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html

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Thanks for the link. But from my quick reading it appears that the 1/10,000 chance of infection is an overall percentage. That percentage increases based upon (1) the type of surface touched by the infected person (non-porous surfaces such plastic and ceramic and chrome surfaces promoting greater infection) and (2) the length of time following contact by the infected person on the surface (generally the shorter the interval of time the greater the possibility of infection) and (3) other factors such as being indoors vs outdoors (generally being indoors increases the possibility of infection).

So applying these factors to real world situations at CMS I would conclude (not being a scientist) that the 1/10,000 percentage would not be an accurate reflection of a person's real risk of infection from contact with surfaces where: (1) the surfaces are smooth and non-porous as those in most restrooms and porta-potties. (2) contact with an infected surface can follow within minutes if not seconds following contact of that surface by an infected person as in most crowded restrooms and frequently used porta-potties; and (3) contact is made indoors and in enclosed environments such as indoor restrooms and enclosed porta-potties.

Based upon that conclusion there is good reason to use a hand sanitizer

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I am a scientist, but not in this area. It is clear that, unlike what was thought originally, surfaces are not major avenues of virus spread. I believe there are no cases that have been documented to be for sure from surfaces, but there could be some, since the virus does not announce how it arrived. Like if you were infected in the bathroom there could be multiple avenues and you would not know which it was. If sanitizer makes you feel better, go for it, and sorry for my obnoxious posting.

I think the two real steps to stay safer are physical distancing where you are seated and avoiding the bathroom, the latter because of close people and non-circulating air, not surfaces.

I hope you feel comfortable enough to go to the game. I am going with one friend but we will want company.

Wow - so many different perspectives and goes to show you how very little good guidance and conflicting info is out there.

I have decided to go to the game. The main reasoning is that I live nearby in Oakland and if we feel many fans are not wearing masks and/or we don't feel like we can maintain a good amount of distance from others, we will just leave.

Whether you decide to watch at home or at CMS - Go Bears! Hopefully this season can surprise to the upside.

There is plenty of good guidance out there. There is also a lot of misinformation. It's up to you to sift.

The Today Show did a story pointing out Dr. Fauci was 100% wrong about college football games being superspreaders. When the freaking Today Show is doing this story you know the narrative is changing in a hurry. https://t.co/st5lXwlFa7

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) October 16, 2021