Semi-OT: WSU and Rollo

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4:45p, 10/18/21
Can we replay them?




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4:51p, 10/18/21
this should get interesting.

I'm guessing over/under on when this goes to O/T is 20 posts.
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4:55p, 10/18/21
I'll happily take it OT.


Bravo.
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4:58p, 10/18/21
Wazzu Couged it.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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5:00p, 10/18/21
Washington not having it when it comes to anti-vaxxing. I admire the ruthlessness.
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In reply to eastbayyoungbear • 5:03p, 10/18/21
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Washington not having it when it comes to anti-vaxxing. I admire the ruthlessness.


THIS
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5:07p, 10/18/21
This is the best and only decision. He made his bed. Buh-bye.
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5:10p, 10/18/21
Hilarious, what an idiot
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5:12p, 10/18/21
Dude kicked our ass
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5:23p, 10/18/21
Wazzu coming up with new levels to mega

COUG IT
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In reply to BearForce2 • 5:30p, 10/18/21
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Wazzu Couged it.

Yup. They cougd it by hiring this guy.
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5:51p, 10/18/21

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In reply to SBGold • 5:56p, 10/18/21
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Hilarious, what an idiot


Stupid is as stupid does
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6:05p, 10/18/21
I've been watching the FBI files on youtube. They've been fighting anti-government and establishment domestic terrorists for about 40 years. Apparently Washington is a haven for this type of thing.

I'm not saying that this has anything to do with Rolovich but the hard line by the state of Washington could be based on this. They don't want to give those guys any more ammunition than they already have, if you know what I mean.

I'm also not trying to imply that anti-vaxing is an act of terrorism. But I'm pretty sure these terrorist cells are anti-vaxers.
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6:36p, 10/18/21
He's a bay area guy...

Can Cal hire him as an OC/QB coach?
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In reply to ColoradoBear • 6:41p, 10/18/21
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He's a bay area guy...

Can Cal hire him as an OC/QB coach?
Why not?
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In reply to eastbayyoungbear • 6:41p, 10/18/21
eastbayyoungbear said:
Washington not having it when it comes to anti-vaxxing. I admire the ruthlessness.


And I admire the conviction of those that stand up to ruthless fascism.
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6:43p, 10/18/21
Bow down to the fascist government or else. Let's see how this plays out in the courts.
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6:54p, 10/18/21
Employers have a right to set standards for employment. If they say all employees must wear green pants,its legal. The lawsuits have all failed so far, but you never know.

I think what gets me as many people in the world cant get the vaccine and cant understand why so many here refuse it bit is an embarrassment. We should send unused vaccine to countries that want it and stop throwing it away. We are the only country that uses politics as an excuse to not get vaccinated. By God Trump lost so there is no way we are doing what Biden says. Sounds like a plan.
Go Bears!
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In reply to txwharfrat • 7:16p, 10/18/21
txwharfrat said:
eastbayyoungbear said:
Washington not having it when it comes to anti-vaxxing. I admire the ruthlessness.


And I admire the conviction of those that stand up to ruthless fascism.
You are clearly clueless about the nature of fascism.
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In reply to txwharfrat • 7:46p, 10/18/21
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Bow down to the fascist government or else. Let's see how this plays out in the courts.
what, in your mind, would be rolovich's argument?
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In reply to txwharfrat • 7:55p, 10/18/21
txwharfrat said:
Bow down to the fascist government or else. Let's see how this plays out in the courts.
The US Supreme Court settled this issue in the Indiana University case by declining to intervene with the University's policy.

https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/pages/coronavirus-supreme-court-denies-review-vaccine-mandate.aspx
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In reply to ducky23 • 7:55p, 10/18/21
ducky23 said:
txwharfrat said:
Bow down to the fascist government or else. Let's see how this plays out in the courts.
what, in your mind, would be rolovich's argument?


That his medical history is his private business and that the State government has no business forcing him to do this.
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In reply to 71Bear • 7:56p, 10/18/21
71Bear said:
txwharfrat said:
Bow down to the fascist government or else. Let's see how this plays out in the courts.
The US Supreme Court settled this issue in the Indiana University case by declining to intervene with the University's policy.


https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/pages/coronavirus-supreme-court-denies-review-vaccine-mandate.aspx


On that particular case. There will be more.
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In reply to wifeisafurd • 7:58p, 10/18/21
wifeisafurd said:
this should get interesting.

I'm guessing over/under on when this goes to O/T is 20 posts.
Settled law…. Move on, nothing to see here….

Rolovich knew the consequences of his actions long before the effective date. I am pleased to see the state of Washington and WSU take a hard stand.

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In reply to txwharfrat • 7:59p, 10/18/21
txwharfrat said:
71Bear said:
txwharfrat said:
Bow down to the fascist government or else. Let's see how this plays out in the courts.
The US Supreme Court settled this issue in the Indiana University case by declining to intervene with the University's policy.


https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/pages/coronavirus-supreme-court-denies-review-vaccine-mandate.aspx


On that particular case. There will be more.
The issue is the same. The Court has ruled and that is that…..
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In reply to txwharfrat • 8:01p, 10/18/21
txwharfrat said:
ducky23 said:
txwharfrat said:
Bow down to the fascist government or else. Let's see how this plays out in the courts.
what, in your mind, would be rolovich's argument?


That his medical history is his private business and that the State government has no business forcing him to do this.
And the Court respectfully disagrees with you. If you choose to live in this country, you must abide by the law. You don't get to pick and choose which laws to obey.

I strongly disagree with many decisions that have been made by the Court but I accept them because that is what intelligent American citizens do……
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In reply to txwharfrat • 8:07p, 10/18/21
txwharfrat said:
ducky23 said:
txwharfrat said:
Bow down to the fascist government or else. Let's see how this plays out in the courts.
what, in your mind, would be rolovich's argument?


That his medical history is his private business and that the State government has no business forcing him to do this.
LOL
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In reply to 71Bear • 8:18p, 10/18/21
71Bear said:
txwharfrat said:
ducky23 said:
txwharfrat said:
Bow down to the fascist government or else. Let's see how this plays out in the courts.
what, in your mind, would be rolovich's argument?


That his medical history is his private business and that the State government has no business forcing him to do this.
And the Court respectfully disagrees with you. If you choose to live in this country, you must abide by the law. You don't get to pick and choose which laws to obey.

I strongly disagree with many decisions that have been made by the Court but I accept them because that is what intelligent American citizens do……


It will be some time before this issue is fully "settled" by the court. He didn't violate any law. He made a choice. And he has faced the consequences of that choice. I did not make the same choice personally because I don't share his convictions. That doesn't mean i can't agree with his right to make that choice.

Being pro-vaccine and being anti government mandates are two different things.
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In reply to txwharfrat • 8:27p, 10/18/21
txwharfrat said:
71Bear said:
txwharfrat said:
ducky23 said:
txwharfrat said:
Bow down to the fascist government or else. Let's see how this plays out in the courts.
what, in your mind, would be rolovich's argument?


That his medical history is his private business and that the State government has no business forcing him to do this.
And the Court respectfully disagrees with you. If you choose to live in this country, you must abide by the law. You don't get to pick and choose which laws to obey.

I strongly disagree with many decisions that have been made by the Court but I accept them because that is what intelligent American citizens do……


It will be some time before this issue is fully "settled" by the court. He didn't violate any law. He made a choice. And he has faced the consequences of that choice. I did not make the same choice personally because I don't share his convictions. That doesn't mean i can't agree with his right to make that choice.

Being pro-vaccine and being anti government mandates are two different things.
Yes, he did.

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On what legal grounds can this be imposed?

In response to the emerging COVID-19 threat, the Governor declared a state of emergency on February 29, 2020, using his broad emergency authority under RCW 43.06. More specifically, under RCW 43.06.220, after a state of emergency has been declared, the Governor may suspend statutes and prohibit any activity that he believes should be prohibited to help preserve and maintain life, health, property or the public peace. Under an emergency such as this, the Governor's paramount duty is to focus on the health and safety of our communities. In addition, the Governor is also a large employer and needs to meet the obligation to provide a safe workplace for government employees. This Proclamation answers both of those obligations.

https://www.governor.wa.gov/VaccineMandateFAQ

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In reply to 71Bear • 9:09p, 10/18/21
71Bear said:
wifeisafurd said:
this should get interesting.

I'm guessing over/under on when this goes to O/T is 20 posts.
Settled law…. Move on, nothing to see here….

Rolovich knew the consequences of his actions long before the effective date. I am pleased to see the state of Washington and WSU take a hard stand.



Nothing settled about the law yet, odds are very good the Supreme Court will eventually have to take on a vaccine mandate case. Lots of differing decisions across the country in different jurisdictions and circumstances.

Not taking up one case is not the same as settled law.
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In reply to NVBear78 • 9:22p, 10/18/21
NVBear78 said:
71Bear said:
wifeisafurd said:
this should get interesting.

I'm guessing over/under on when this goes to O/T is 20 posts.
Settled law…. Move on, nothing to see here….

Rolovich knew the consequences of his actions long before the effective date. I am pleased to see the state of Washington and WSU take a hard stand.



Nothing settled about the law yet, odds are very good the Supreme Court will eventually have to take on a vaccine mandate case. Lots of differing decisions across the country in different jurisdictions and circumstances.

Not taking up one case is not the same as settled law.
They already addressed the issue (re: mandates imposed by Indiana University) and denied to hear arguments thus upholding actions taken by IU.

It is settled….

https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/pages/coronavirus-supreme-court-denies-review-vaccine-mandate.aspx



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In reply to txwharfrat • 9:27p, 10/18/21
txwharfrat said:
71Bear said:
txwharfrat said:
ducky23 said:
txwharfrat said:
Bow down to the fascist government or else. Let's see how this plays out in the courts.
what, in your mind, would be rolovich's argument?


That his medical history is his private business and that the State government has no business forcing him to do this.
And the Court respectfully disagrees with you. If you choose to live in this country, you must abide by the law. You don't get to pick and choose which laws to obey.

I strongly disagree with many decisions that have been made by the Court but I accept them because that is what intelligent American citizens do……


It will be some time before this issue is fully "settled" by the court. He didn't violate any law. He made a choice. And he has faced the consequences of that choice. I did not make the same choice personally because I don't share his convictions. That doesn't mean i can't agree with his right to make that choice.

Being pro-vaccine and being anti government mandates are two different things.
You probably need to review the cases pertaining to this issue that have come to the Supreme Court's attention before making the statement in your post. The Supreme Court addressed the issue earlier this year by denying to take the case involving Indiana University.

Done and dusted….
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In reply to txwharfrat • 9:31p, 10/18/21
txwharfrat said:
71Bear said:
txwharfrat said:
Bow down to the fascist government or else. Let's see how this plays out in the courts.
The US Supreme Court settled this issue in the Indiana University case by declining to intervene with the University's policy.


https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/pages/coronavirus-supreme-court-denies-review-vaccine-mandate.aspx


On that particular case. There will be more.
Given that current court has made a decision to deny hearing arguments in a case pertaining to vaccine mandates, why would they change their position.

This particular issue is settled. Period. If you believe otherwise, you do not understand how the Supreme Court functions.
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In reply to 71Bear • 10:04p, 10/18/21
71Bear said:
txwharfrat said:
71Bear said:
txwharfrat said:
Bow down to the fascist government or else. Let's see how this plays out in the courts.
The US Supreme Court settled this issue in the Indiana University case by declining to intervene with the University's policy.


https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/pages/coronavirus-supreme-court-denies-review-vaccine-mandate.aspx


On that particular case. There will be more.
Given that current court has made a decision to deny hearing arguments in a case pertaining to vaccine mandates, why would they change their position.

This particular issue is settled. Period. If you believe otherwise, you do not understand how the Supreme Court functions.


71Bear, I love you and know you love making pronouncements of absolutes. All I will say is we have not seen anywhere near the end of litigation on vaccine mandates, nor have the new OSHA Rules been rolled out yet. I have seen several courts rule against mandates. There is much litigation to come and where there are conflicting ruling or new orders (I.e. OSHA) the Court is very likely to be called upon again.

Go Bears!
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