https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/2022/07/06/if-pac-12-doesnt-merge-with-acc-smu-is-one-of-a-select-few-expansion-candidates/

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One of them is SMU.

SMU carries the obvious religious affiliation and is neither a member of the AAU or an R1 research school.
Also, this is the worst possible time to welcome Texas politics into the conference given developments following the Roe vs. Wade ruling.
However, the Mustangs have an endowment in excess of $1 billion and are No. 68 in the latest U.S, News and World Report rankings of national universities higher than every remaining school in the Pac-12 except Stanford, Cal and Washington. (That's impressive academic prowess.)

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Does this beat going independent? Eh...

calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/2022/07/06/if-pac-12-doesnt-merge-with-acc-smu-is-one-of-a-select-few-expansion-candidates/

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One of them is SMU.

SMU carries the obvious religious affiliation and is neither a member of the AAU or an R1 research school.
Also, this is the worst possible time to welcome Texas politics into the conference given developments following the Roe vs. Wade ruling.
However, the Mustangs have an endowment in excess of $1 billion and are No. 68 in the latest U.S, News and World Report rankings of national universities higher than every remaining school in the Pac-12 except Stanford, Cal and Washington. (That's impressive academic prowess.)

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Does this beat going independent? Eh...

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More evidence that USN&WR should not be relied upon.

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I seriously doubt it, but the only reason would be to get into the Dallas TV market. If that were the case, wouldn't TCU be a better choice?

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https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/2022/07/06/if-pac-12-doesnt-merge-with-acc-smu-is-one-of-a-select-few-expansion-candidates/

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One of them is SMU.

SMU carries the obvious religious affiliation and is neither a member of the AAU or an R1 research school.
Also, this is the worst possible time to welcome Texas politics into the conference given developments following the Roe vs. Wade ruling.
However, the Mustangs have an endowment in excess of $1 billion and are No. 68 in the latest U.S, News and World Report rankings of national universities higher than every remaining school in the Pac-12 except Stanford, Cal and Washington. (That's impressive academic prowess.)

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Does this beat going independent? Eh...

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Does a football game really get played out in a different manner if a school IS a member of the AAU or a RI research school?
And does the point spread move based on where US News and World Report have you ranked? (After the top 30 or so of USNWR schools, does it really matter anyway? More like geography, what you can afford, and maybe they have a specific program that you are interested in...)
I don't care what we all think of SMU...I care what a Network thinks...

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Strykur said:

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https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/2022/07/06/if-pac-12-doesnt-merge-with-acc-smu-is-one-of-a-select-few-expansion-candidates/

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One of them is SMU.

SMU carries the obvious religious affiliation and is neither a member of the AAU or an R1 research school.
Also, this is the worst possible time to welcome Texas politics into the conference given developments following the Roe vs. Wade ruling.
However, the Mustangs have an endowment in excess of $1 billion and are No. 68 in the latest U.S, News and World Report rankings of national universities higher than every remaining school in the Pac-12 except Stanford, Cal and Washington. (That's impressive academic prowess.)

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Does this beat going independent? Eh...

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Does a football game really get played out in a different manner if a school IS a member of the AAU or a RI research school?
And does the point spread move based on where US News and World Report have you ranked? (After the top 30 or so of USNWR schools, does it really matter anyway? More like geography, what you can afford, and maybe they have a specific program that you are interested in...)
I don't care what we all think of SMU...I care what a Network thinks...

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So, it's the money.

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calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/2022/07/06/if-pac-12-doesnt-merge-with-acc-smu-is-one-of-a-select-few-expansion-candidates/

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One of them is SMU.

SMU carries the obvious religious affiliation and is neither a member of the AAU or an R1 research school.
Also, this is the worst possible time to welcome Texas politics into the conference given developments following the Roe vs. Wade ruling.
However, the Mustangs have an endowment in excess of $1 billion and are No. 68 in the latest U.S, News and World Report rankings of national universities higher than every remaining school in the Pac-12 except Stanford, Cal and Washington. (That's impressive academic prowess.)

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Does this beat going independent? Eh...

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More evidence that USN&WR should not be relied upon.

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USN&WR ratings have always been questionable due to criteria weighted to private schools. No publics under #20!!! Are you kidding?

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IIRC the key "variables" (aka variables that actually vary in an unweighted and unnormalized ranking system) are endowment and selectivity. Privates benefit structurally from both - much more focused on endownment building (and with wealthier families and legacy opportunities) and selectivity because they are not under pressure from the public sector to increase admissions.

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OdontoBear66 said:

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calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/2022/07/06/if-pac-12-doesnt-merge-with-acc-smu-is-one-of-a-select-few-expansion-candidates/

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One of them is SMU.

SMU carries the obvious religious affiliation and is neither a member of the AAU or an R1 research school.
Also, this is the worst possible time to welcome Texas politics into the conference given developments following the Roe vs. Wade ruling.
However, the Mustangs have an endowment in excess of $1 billion and are No. 68 in the latest U.S, News and World Report rankings of national universities higher than every remaining school in the Pac-12 except Stanford, Cal and Washington. (That's impressive academic prowess.)

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Does this beat going independent? Eh...

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More evidence that USN&WR should not be relied upon.

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USN&WR ratings have always been questionable due to criteria weighted to private schools. No publics under #20!!! Are you kidding?

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IIRC the key "variables" (aka variables that actually vary in an unweighted and unnormalized ranking system) are endowment and selectivity. Privates benefit structurally from both - much more focused on endownment building (and with wealthier families and legacy opportunities) and selectivity because they are not under pressure from the public sector to increase admissions.

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I have given up, given in to their selection process for years and when anyone uses USN&WR for validation for a school/their school I just suggest they just Google international reputations of colleges...Cal is always in the top 5. Strange, isn't it?

OdontoBear66 said:

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https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/2022/07/06/if-pac-12-doesnt-merge-with-acc-smu-is-one-of-a-select-few-expansion-candidates/

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One of them is SMU.

SMU carries the obvious religious affiliation and is neither a member of the AAU or an R1 research school.
Also, this is the worst possible time to welcome Texas politics into the conference given developments following the Roe vs. Wade ruling.
However, the Mustangs have an endowment in excess of $1 billion and are No. 68 in the latest U.S, News and World Report rankings of national universities higher than every remaining school in the Pac-12 except Stanford, Cal and Washington. (That's impressive academic prowess.)

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Does this beat going independent? Eh...

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More evidence that USN&WR should not be relied upon.

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USN&WR ratings have always been questionable due to criteria weighted to private schools. No publics under #20!!! Are you kidding?

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IIRC the key "variables" (aka variables that actually vary in an unweighted and unnormalized ranking system) are endowment and selectivity. Privates benefit structurally from both - much more focused on endownment building (and with wealthier families and legacy opportunities) and selectivity because they are not under pressure from the public sector to increase admissions.

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I have given up, given in to their selection process for years and when anyone uses USN&WR for validation for a school/their school I just suggest they just Google international reputations of colleges...Cal is always in the top 5. Strange, isn't it?

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Those probably are reasonable but reputation rankings are problematic for selection bias and the phenomena were no one wants to say bad things ("everyone gets 5s") for schools in a particular teir.

THese rankings are SO stupid. _IF_ an organization really wanted to do a good ranking system they would gather information about hiring/career recruitment. SO, for example, which campuses does Mackenzie, Meta, Amazon, etc. recruit at? Stratify by industry and starting salaries of those firms. Then try to gleen information about graduate admissions. The problem is that neither of those data points is easily available in the public domain so the organization would actually HAVE to do research.

But honestly that would be a great piece of legislation - for schoosl receiving federal funds for their career centers to post a list of companies doing on campus recruiting over the past X fiscal years. Force colleges to actively help grads get jobs/beef up career centers and work more closely with industry to help prepare graduates to be attractive candidates.

Pass.

If the 10 remaining Pac teams stay together and want to expand, the options are

1) SDSU for sure, maybe also one or two other Mountain West teams

2) Big 12 teams, if you can convince any to move over

3) SMU and/or other teams not currently in the MWC or Big 12

In category 3, SMU seems like the most viable option.

Might not get any interest from anyone in the Big 12.

Then if we're talking about SMU, the question is, which MWC teams would the Pac rather have than SMU?

Again, SDSU for sure. Maybe UNLV. Maybe Boise State. That's about it. So SMU isn't on top of the list, but they might end up on the list.

What happened to Okie State and Texas Tech?

I'd invite flagship public universities. Nevada and New Mexico.

It would give us 6 coastal schools and 6 mountain schools. Eight contiguous states.

mirabelle said:

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I'd invite flagship public universities. Nevada and New Mexico.

It would give us 6 coastal schools and 6 mountain schools. Eight contiguous states.

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A directional school division would be cool, too.

mirabelle said:

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I'd invite flagship public universities. Nevada and New Mexico.

It would give us 6 coastal schools and 6 mountain schools. Eight contiguous states.

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I'm against expansion but I'd be more for Hawaii.