bearsandgiants said:
This loss doesn't even come close to the embarrassment of the Lions loss to same Niners. It was a fantastic game. Decent officiating, too. Ads pretty meh. Not too much Tay Tay, either. Overall a good night for the casual fan.
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6956bear said:There are numerous reports today that several players were unaware of the new rule. Kyle Juszczyk thought if they scored a TD on their drive the game would be over.ducky23 said:6956bear said:The muffed punt was the single biggest play in the game. It completely turned the game around. The Chiefs scored on the next play. But yes Shanahan was right in the middle of the loss again with some strange play calling and the fireable (IMO) offense of choosing to receive the OT kickoff.BearGoggles said:
Shanahan lost the game for the 49rs. They were running the ball at will and then in the third quarter - after getting a great defensive turnover - he abandoned the run. Didn't find it again until late in the game when once again McCaffrey dominated. And then taking the ball first in overtime was obviously the wrong thing to do.
The missed XP was huge. It allowed the Chiefs to play for OT instead of having to try and win on that last drive of regulation. They may have won but the missed XP gave the Chiefs an option they should not have had.
The pass to Kelce on the last drive of regulation where he got the Chiefs into position was a huge play. He gained 25 yards and got out of bounds. Warner as great as he is should not have been in solo coverage there. You have to make another option beat you. Warner did defend Kelce great later which forced the Chiefs to kick the FG. But that short cross Kelce turned into a big play was a crucial coaching misfire.
The decision to take the opening kickoff of OT was horrible. Now we are seeing reports that the 49ers did not know about the rule change. If true Shanahan should be fired. That is awful prepartion for the biggest game of his career. The players should be pissed. You do not willingly give Mahomes a chance to win the game when he knows a TD is needed.
Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.
The 49ers may have one more run in them next year, but their window is closing.
Where have you seen reports that the niners didn't know the new OT rule? (I'm genuinely curious)
In his postgame interview, I thought shamahan's reasoning for that decision was sound. I also think the analytics slightly favor taking the ball first. I also think romo's point that the defense was gassed was a good one.
I would have personally deferred just because of Mahomes. But I think the call is fairly 50/50 so I hardly think it's a fireable offense.
The flip side of the argument is that if you think Mahomes is going to score no matter what, the chiefs will win anyways even if you defer. Cause Mahomes will score a TD first. Then even if you match the TD, it basically forces you to go for 2 cause you can't give the ball back to Mahomes where a simple FG wins it.
The decision is much like the college OT rule. Play defense first because you then know what is needed to win.
Once the game went to OT it did favor the Chiefs IMO as they have the best QB. But I am sick of everyone making excuses for Shanahan.
For his players to not be aware of the rules is really weak management. The Chiefs were aware.
Ok, that's an arguable point. The other games though (including up 28-3), are notsycasey said:I also think the "double digit lead" storyline for this game is dumb. They had a double digit lead for about three minutes in the first half. Otherwise the game was always close.SBGold said:sycasey said:SBGold said:I don't know, Sirianni is definitely on a hot seat as well (though he seems to gotten himself 1 more year to right that ship)sycasey said:It's worth noting that people used to say the same things about Andy Reid until he finally won with Mahomes.6956bear said:
Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.
Shanahan has flaws, but let's dispense with the nonsense: a coach who reaches the Super Bowl twice and the NFC Championship four times is not bad enough to be fired. You can do a LOT worse with your replacement.
Siriani's team completely collapsed down the stretch and got stomped in round 1. Shanahan's team reached the Super Bowl and lost in OT. These are not comparable results.
Shanahan's failures in the Super Bowl to hold double digit leads is more problematic than the Sirianni situation. It's time to to have the Shanahan conversation
Go Cowboys!philly1121 said:
From reports, it seemed like some 49er players did not know the OT rule change. However, those same reports read that the Chiefs absolutely knew the rule, practiced it in preseason training and had practiced OT play with the goal of ending the game in the second possession (Chief's 1st possession) if they didn't win the coin toss. I guess they had practiced as if the 3rd possession was the possession that ended the game. So if they lost the coin toss and the Niners scored a TD - if the Chiefs scored a TD on their 1st possession, they were going for 2 all the way. From reading post match reports - the players were exhausted because the SB is a long game. Exhaustion likely figures heavily into the equation.
I am simply glad, relieved that the Niners lost the game. As a lifelong Cowboys fan, misery loves company.
The Chiefs were prepared to do that. If the 49ers had scored a TD on their first drive, and KC had responded with a TD, the Chiefs would have gone for 2 to try and win the game and not give the ball back to SF:ducky23 said:6956bear said:ducky23 said:6956bear said:
For all those that think it was a crime to take the ball first, you better be prepared to go for 2 on possession #2 in OT. Because you simply cannot give the ball back to Mahomes on possession #3 for a chance to win with a FG. Were you all prepared to put the super bowl on the success of a niners 2 point conversion? I wasn't. And I believe thats the main reason Shanahan took the ball first.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39511676/49ers-players-say-know-super-bowl-rulesQuote:
The Chiefs, conversely, said they were well prepared for an overtime contingency in the postseason. Defensive lineman Chris Jones told reporters that Kansas City "talked for two weeks about new overtime rules," while safety Justin Reid said their preparation began in training camp.
"We've talked about it all year," Reid said. "We talked about it in training camp about how the rules were different in regular season versus the playoffs. Every week of the playoffs we talked about the overtime rule."
Jones said that if the Niners had scored a touchdown on their opening overtime possession to take a seven-point lead, the Chiefs were prepared to "go for two" if they scored on their ensuing possession.
Eh, that wasn't my question. Was anyone as a Niners fan ready to go for 2? If I have Mahomes, sure I'll go for 2. But without Mahomes, its a much more difficult call.BearSD said:The Chiefs were prepared to do that. If the 49ers had scored a TD on their first drive, and KC had responded with a TD, the Chiefs would have gone for 2 to try and win the game and not give the ball back to SF:ducky23 said:
For all those that think it was a crime to take the ball first, you better be prepared to go for 2 on possession #2 in OT. Because you simply cannot give the ball back to Mahomes on possession #3 for a chance to win with a FG. Were you all prepared to put the super bowl on the success of a niners 2 point conversion? I wasn't. And I believe thats the main reason Shanahan took the ball first.https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39511676/49ers-players-say-know-super-bowl-rulesQuote:
The Chiefs, conversely, said they were well prepared for an overtime contingency in the postseason. Defensive lineman Chris Jones told reporters that Kansas City "talked for two weeks about new overtime rules," while safety Justin Reid said their preparation began in training camp.
"We've talked about it all year," Reid said. "We talked about it in training camp about how the rules were different in regular season versus the playoffs. Every week of the playoffs we talked about the overtime rule."
Jones said that if the Niners had scored a touchdown on their opening overtime possession to take a seven-point lead, the Chiefs were prepared to "go for two" if they scored on their ensuing possession.
That's the thing: I think Shanahan actually did learn from his prior mistakes in this game. After the poor 3rd quarter he got back to basics and had a McCaffrey-heavy game plan. It was working, but they made some mistakes and couldn't quite close the deal.SBGold said:Ok, that's an arguable point. The other games though (including up 28-3), are notsycasey said:I also think the "double digit lead" storyline for this game is dumb. They had a double digit lead for about three minutes in the first half. Otherwise the game was always close.SBGold said:sycasey said:SBGold said:I don't know, Sirianni is definitely on a hot seat as well (though he seems to gotten himself 1 more year to right that ship)sycasey said:It's worth noting that people used to say the same things about Andy Reid until he finally won with Mahomes.6956bear said:
Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.
Shanahan has flaws, but let's dispense with the nonsense: a coach who reaches the Super Bowl twice and the NFC Championship four times is not bad enough to be fired. You can do a LOT worse with your replacement.
Siriani's team completely collapsed down the stretch and got stomped in round 1. Shanahan's team reached the Super Bowl and lost in OT. These are not comparable results.
Shanahan's failures in the Super Bowl to hold double digit leads is more problematic than the Sirianni situation. It's time to to have the Shanahan conversation
I agree that the 2nd and 5 and 3rd and 4 play calls were huge. I don't think the 2nd and 5 pass play was as bad as you though. I don't think I've ever seen that play (play fake left to CMC, roll right and throw to Kittle) ever get less than 2-3 yards, and usually would have netted a first down where they could run out the clock and kick. KC just played it better than I've ever seen and stuffed Kittle for one yard.ducky23 said:6956bear said:There are numerous reports today that several players were unaware of the new rule. Kyle Juszczyk thought if they scored a TD on their drive the game would be over.ducky23 said:6956bear said:The muffed punt was the single biggest play in the game. It completely turned the game around. The Chiefs scored on the next play. But yes Shanahan was right in the middle of the loss again with some strange play calling and the fireable (IMO) offense of choosing to receive the OT kickoff.BearGoggles said:
Shanahan lost the game for the 49rs. They were running the ball at will and then in the third quarter - after getting a great defensive turnover - he abandoned the run. Didn't find it again until late in the game when once again McCaffrey dominated. And then taking the ball first in overtime was obviously the wrong thing to do.
The missed XP was huge. It allowed the Chiefs to play for OT instead of having to try and win on that last drive of regulation. They may have won but the missed XP gave the Chiefs an option they should not have had.
The pass to Kelce on the last drive of regulation where he got the Chiefs into position was a huge play. He gained 25 yards and got out of bounds. Warner as great as he is should not have been in solo coverage there. You have to make another option beat you. Warner did defend Kelce great later which forced the Chiefs to kick the FG. But that short cross Kelce turned into a big play was a crucial coaching misfire.
The decision to take the opening kickoff of OT was horrible. Now we are seeing reports that the 49ers did not know about the rule change. If true Shanahan should be fired. That is awful prepartion for the biggest game of his career. The players should be pissed. You do not willingly give Mahomes a chance to win the game when he knows a TD is needed.
Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.
The 49ers may have one more run in them next year, but their window is closing.
Where have you seen reports that the niners didn't know the new OT rule? (I'm genuinely curious)
In his postgame interview, I thought shamahan's reasoning for that decision was sound. I also think the analytics slightly favor taking the ball first. I also think romo's point that the defense was gassed was a good one.
I would have personally deferred just because of Mahomes. But I think the call is fairly 50/50 so I hardly think it's a fireable offense.
The flip side of the argument is that if you think Mahomes is going to score no matter what, the chiefs will win anyways even if you defer. Cause Mahomes will score a TD first. Then even if you match the TD, it basically forces you to go for 2 cause you can't give the ball back to Mahomes where a simple FG wins it.
The decision is much like the college OT rule. Play defense first because you then know what is needed to win.
Once the game went to OT it did favor the Chiefs IMO as they have the best QB. But I am sick of everyone making excuses for Shanahan.
For his players to not be aware of the rules is really weak management. The Chiefs were aware.
For his players not to know the OT rules is bad (and if you want to rip Shanahan for that, be my guest), but its completely irrelevant to whether Shanahan made the right call about whether to take the ball for OT (if Shanahan himself didn't know the rules, thats a different story, but I don't believe that to be the case).
And it is not analogous to the college OT rule. Yes, ideally you like to know what you need to win. However, UNLIKE college, the team with the 3rd possession can win it (which is not the case with College). This completely changes the analytics of the situation.
Again, I think its close to a 50/50 call. Especially with the Niners D having been on the field for 11 straight plays AND two key defensive players were dinged up on the last defensive possession and needed time to get back on the field.
For all those that think it was a crime to take the ball first, you better be prepared to go for 2 on possession #2 in OT. Because you simply cannot give the ball back to Mahomes on possession #3 for a chance to win with a FG. Were you all prepared to put the super bowl on the success of a niners 2 point conversion? I wasn't. And I believe thats the main reason Shanahan took the ball first.
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The bigger Shanahan sin was the 2nd and 5 call towards the end of regulation. This was the situation. 2nd and 5. A little over 2 mins left. Niners already in FG range. All you need is 1 first down and you can run the clock out and win it with a FG. So all you need to win the super bowl is 5 freaking yards. And you theoretically have 3 downs to get it. You don't need a big play, you just need to scratch out 5 yards.
So with all that in mind, Shanahan calls a pass on 2nd and 5, which goes for zero yards. Now its 3rd and 5, its an obvious pass situation, chiefs blitz, boop...FG.
Shanahan had to call whatever play he had to get a guaranteed 2-3 yards (5 yards would be nice, but you MUST get at least 2 to 3 yards). I'm extremely confident that if you give the ball to your generational running back and run behind your generational fullback and generational LT, you can get 2-3 yards. Best case, you get the first down on 2nd and 5. Worst case, you get that 2-3 yards and now its 3rd and 2. Now you can run again and give it to your generational RB. Don't get it on 3rd? You still have a 4th and short and you at least give yourself an option to go for it (which I would have....1 yard to win the super bowl? Yes every time).
If Shanahan had to do it all over again, I'm pretty sure he calls a different play on that extremely critical 2nd and 5. I don't think Shanahan has regrets about the OT decision.
BadNewsBear1 said:I agree that the 2nd and 5 and 3rd and 4 play calls were huge. I don't think the 2nd and 5 pass play was as bad as you though. I don't think I've ever seen that play (play fake left to CMC, roll right and throw to Kittle) ever get less than 2-3 yards, and usually would have netted a first down where they could run out the clock and kick. KC just played it better than I've ever seen and stuffed Kittle for one yard.ducky23 said:6956bear said:There are numerous reports today that several players were unaware of the new rule. Kyle Juszczyk thought if they scored a TD on their drive the game would be over.ducky23 said:6956bear said:The muffed punt was the single biggest play in the game. It completely turned the game around. The Chiefs scored on the next play. But yes Shanahan was right in the middle of the loss again with some strange play calling and the fireable (IMO) offense of choosing to receive the OT kickoff.BearGoggles said:
Shanahan lost the game for the 49rs. They were running the ball at will and then in the third quarter - after getting a great defensive turnover - he abandoned the run. Didn't find it again until late in the game when once again McCaffrey dominated. And then taking the ball first in overtime was obviously the wrong thing to do.
The missed XP was huge. It allowed the Chiefs to play for OT instead of having to try and win on that last drive of regulation. They may have won but the missed XP gave the Chiefs an option they should not have had.
The pass to Kelce on the last drive of regulation where he got the Chiefs into position was a huge play. He gained 25 yards and got out of bounds. Warner as great as he is should not have been in solo coverage there. You have to make another option beat you. Warner did defend Kelce great later which forced the Chiefs to kick the FG. But that short cross Kelce turned into a big play was a crucial coaching misfire.
The decision to take the opening kickoff of OT was horrible. Now we are seeing reports that the 49ers did not know about the rule change. If true Shanahan should be fired. That is awful prepartion for the biggest game of his career. The players should be pissed. You do not willingly give Mahomes a chance to win the game when he knows a TD is needed.
Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.
The 49ers may have one more run in them next year, but their window is closing.
Where have you seen reports that the niners didn't know the new OT rule? (I'm genuinely curious)
In his postgame interview, I thought shamahan's reasoning for that decision was sound. I also think the analytics slightly favor taking the ball first. I also think romo's point that the defense was gassed was a good one.
I would have personally deferred just because of Mahomes. But I think the call is fairly 50/50 so I hardly think it's a fireable offense.
The flip side of the argument is that if you think Mahomes is going to score no matter what, the chiefs will win anyways even if you defer. Cause Mahomes will score a TD first. Then even if you match the TD, it basically forces you to go for 2 cause you can't give the ball back to Mahomes where a simple FG wins it.
The decision is much like the college OT rule. Play defense first because you then know what is needed to win.
Once the game went to OT it did favor the Chiefs IMO as they have the best QB. But I am sick of everyone making excuses for Shanahan.
For his players to not be aware of the rules is really weak management. The Chiefs were aware.
For his players not to know the OT rules is bad (and if you want to rip Shanahan for that, be my guest), but its completely irrelevant to whether Shanahan made the right call about whether to take the ball for OT (if Shanahan himself didn't know the rules, thats a different story, but I don't believe that to be the case).
And it is not analogous to the college OT rule. Yes, ideally you like to know what you need to win. However, UNLIKE college, the team with the 3rd possession can win it (which is not the case with College). This completely changes the analytics of the situation.
Again, I think its close to a 50/50 call. Especially with the Niners D having been on the field for 11 straight plays AND two key defensive players were dinged up on the last defensive possession and needed time to get back on the field.
For all those that think it was a crime to take the ball first, you better be prepared to go for 2 on possession #2 in OT. Because you simply cannot give the ball back to Mahomes on possession #3 for a chance to win with a FG. Were you all prepared to put the super bowl on the success of a niners 2 point conversion? I wasn't. And I believe thats the main reason Shanahan took the ball first.
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The bigger Shanahan sin was the 2nd and 5 call towards the end of regulation. This was the situation. 2nd and 5. A little over 2 mins left. Niners already in FG range. All you need is 1 first down and you can run the clock out and win it with a FG. So all you need to win the super bowl is 5 freaking yards. And you theoretically have 3 downs to get it. You don't need a big play, you just need to scratch out 5 yards.
So with all that in mind, Shanahan calls a pass on 2nd and 5, which goes for zero yards. Now its 3rd and 5, its an obvious pass situation, chiefs blitz, boop...FG.
Shanahan had to call whatever play he had to get a guaranteed 2-3 yards (5 yards would be nice, but you MUST get at least 2 to 3 yards). I'm extremely confident that if you give the ball to your generational running back and run behind your generational fullback and generational LT, you can get 2-3 yards. Best case, you get the first down on 2nd and 5. Worst case, you get that 2-3 yards and now its 3rd and 2. Now you can run again and give it to your generational RB. Don't get it on 3rd? You still have a 4th and short and you at least give yourself an option to go for it (which I would have....1 yard to win the super bowl? Yes every time).
If Shanahan had to do it all over again, I'm pretty sure he calls a different play on that extremely critical 2nd and 5. I don't think Shanahan has regrets about the OT decision.
I was calling for Purdy to check to a run away from the blitz on 3rd and 4. They hadn't done much of anything against the blitz (and you know Spags was going to bring it). CMC most likely gets the first down and the game is over (or at least gets close so KC at least has to burn a TO, or possibly go for 4th and short as you mentioned).
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Doing God's workbencgilmore said:
Marshawn making his feelings on the subject clearMarshawn Lynch trolled every Niners fan in Vegas after their Super Bowl loss
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The "after the poor 3rd quarter" part of your post seems to suggest he did not actually learn from prior mistakes. That was some brutal play calling.sycasey said:That's the thing: I think Shanahan actually did learn from his prior mistakes in this game. After the poor 3rd quarter he got back to basics and had a McCaffrey-heavy game plan. It was working, but they made some mistakes and couldn't quite close the deal.SBGold said:Ok, that's an arguable point. The other games though (including up 28-3), are notsycasey said:I also think the "double digit lead" storyline for this game is dumb. They had a double digit lead for about three minutes in the first half. Otherwise the game was always close.SBGold said:sycasey said:SBGold said:I don't know, Sirianni is definitely on a hot seat as well (though he seems to gotten himself 1 more year to right that ship)sycasey said:It's worth noting that people used to say the same things about Andy Reid until he finally won with Mahomes.6956bear said:
Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.
Shanahan has flaws, but let's dispense with the nonsense: a coach who reaches the Super Bowl twice and the NFC Championship four times is not bad enough to be fired. You can do a LOT worse with your replacement.
Siriani's team completely collapsed down the stretch and got stomped in round 1. Shanahan's team reached the Super Bowl and lost in OT. These are not comparable results.
Shanahan's failures in the Super Bowl to hold double digit leads is more problematic than the Sirianni situation. It's time to to have the Shanahan conversation
ducky23 said:Eh, that wasn't my question. Was anyone as a Niners fan ready to go for 2? If I have Mahomes, sure I'll go for 2. But without Mahomes, its a much more difficult call.BearSD said:The Chiefs were prepared to do that. If the 49ers had scored a TD on their first drive, and KC had responded with a TD, the Chiefs would have gone for 2 to try and win the game and not give the ball back to SF:ducky23 said:
For all those that think it was a crime to take the ball first, you better be prepared to go for 2 on possession #2 in OT. Because you simply cannot give the ball back to Mahomes on possession #3 for a chance to win with a FG. Were you all prepared to put the super bowl on the success of a niners 2 point conversion? I wasn't. And I believe thats the main reason Shanahan took the ball first.https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39511676/49ers-players-say-know-super-bowl-rulesQuote:
The Chiefs, conversely, said they were well prepared for an overtime contingency in the postseason. Defensive lineman Chris Jones told reporters that Kansas City "talked for two weeks about new overtime rules," while safety Justin Reid said their preparation began in training camp.
"We've talked about it all year," Reid said. "We talked about it in training camp about how the rules were different in regular season versus the playoffs. Every week of the playoffs we talked about the overtime rule."
Jones said that if the Niners had scored a touchdown on their opening overtime possession to take a seven-point lead, the Chiefs were prepared to "go for two" if they scored on their ensuing possession.
This is why pointing out what the Chiefs would do if they had won the toss (or if they would go for 2) is not necessarily relevant to the niners specific situation. First, they have Mahomes, which changes the equation. Second, their defense wasn't just on the field.
Hilarious!!!!Strykur said:Doing God's workbencgilmore said:
Marshawn making his feelings on the subject clearMarshawn Lynch trolled every Niners fan in Vegas after their Super Bowl loss
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I'm saying that within the game he saw an issue and corrected it later.BearGoggles said:The "after the poor 3rd quarter" part of your post seems to suggest he did not actually learn from prior mistakes. That was some brutal play calling.sycasey said:That's the thing: I think Shanahan actually did learn from his prior mistakes in this game. After the poor 3rd quarter he got back to basics and had a McCaffrey-heavy game plan. It was working, but they made some mistakes and couldn't quite close the deal.SBGold said:Ok, that's an arguable point. The other games though (including up 28-3), are notsycasey said:I also think the "double digit lead" storyline for this game is dumb. They had a double digit lead for about three minutes in the first half. Otherwise the game was always close.SBGold said:sycasey said:SBGold said:I don't know, Sirianni is definitely on a hot seat as well (though he seems to gotten himself 1 more year to right that ship)sycasey said:It's worth noting that people used to say the same things about Andy Reid until he finally won with Mahomes.6956bear said:
Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.
Shanahan has flaws, but let's dispense with the nonsense: a coach who reaches the Super Bowl twice and the NFC Championship four times is not bad enough to be fired. You can do a LOT worse with your replacement.
Siriani's team completely collapsed down the stretch and got stomped in round 1. Shanahan's team reached the Super Bowl and lost in OT. These are not comparable results.
Shanahan's failures in the Super Bowl to hold double digit leads is more problematic than the Sirianni situation. It's time to to have the Shanahan conversation
a bit late for the numb nutz coach. His OT strategy was to get the ball 3rd. Good lord. And lack of prep so prominent that Armstead and Kyle J threw the staff under the bus.sycasey said:I'm saying that within the game he saw an issue and corrected it later.BearGoggles said:The "after the poor 3rd quarter" part of your post seems to suggest he did not actually learn from prior mistakes. That was some brutal play calling.sycasey said:That's the thing: I think Shanahan actually did learn from his prior mistakes in this game. After the poor 3rd quarter he got back to basics and had a McCaffrey-heavy game plan. It was working, but they made some mistakes and couldn't quite close the deal.SBGold said:Ok, that's an arguable point. The other games though (including up 28-3), are notsycasey said:I also think the "double digit lead" storyline for this game is dumb. They had a double digit lead for about three minutes in the first half. Otherwise the game was always close.SBGold said:sycasey said:SBGold said:I don't know, Sirianni is definitely on a hot seat as well (though he seems to gotten himself 1 more year to right that ship)sycasey said:It's worth noting that people used to say the same things about Andy Reid until he finally won with Mahomes.6956bear said:
Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.
Shanahan has flaws, but let's dispense with the nonsense: a coach who reaches the Super Bowl twice and the NFC Championship four times is not bad enough to be fired. You can do a LOT worse with your replacement.
Siriani's team completely collapsed down the stretch and got stomped in round 1. Shanahan's team reached the Super Bowl and lost in OT. These are not comparable results.
Shanahan's failures in the Super Bowl to hold double digit leads is more problematic than the Sirianni situation. It's time to to have the Shanahan conversation
Oski87 said:concordtom said:Oski87 said:concordtom said:
Super Bowl 1
Len Dawson, Chiefs halftime
Cigarette and Fresca
Killer calves!
How much do you think his shoe contract was?
All black, no logo?
Apparently he was holding out for more money. He was ahead of his time, knew that's where the real money would be made!
But Fresca gave him all you can eat at Big Bob's for a year.
(PS: Fresca was the exclusive beverage at Bob's back in the day, at least in order for my joke's logic to work.)
Those clearly are iconic Spotbilt cleats. You can tell a mile away. The heel strap gives it away. I used those in high school - all leather including soles, with screw in spikes. I had to use them since Nike and Adidas- which everyone else had - did not come in widths.
bencgilmore said:9ers are way more talented. But they've been fortunate to win both playoff games.Cal88 said:
Surprised at the 9ers being slight favorites in this game, the Chiefs have a big edge at QB and big game experience.
I guess we'll see how far a generational QB can take you
Internet keyboard warriors are hilarious. Yes, I'm sure the guy who has coached an NFL team to 2 Super Bowls and 4 conference championship games in the last 5 years is a "numb nutz." I'm sure you could do a lot better!SBGold said:a bit late for the numb nutz coach.sycasey said:I'm saying that within the game he saw an issue and corrected it later.BearGoggles said:The "after the poor 3rd quarter" part of your post seems to suggest he did not actually learn from prior mistakes. That was some brutal play calling.sycasey said:That's the thing: I think Shanahan actually did learn from his prior mistakes in this game. After the poor 3rd quarter he got back to basics and had a McCaffrey-heavy game plan. It was working, but they made some mistakes and couldn't quite close the deal.SBGold said:Ok, that's an arguable point. The other games though (including up 28-3), are notsycasey said:I also think the "double digit lead" storyline for this game is dumb. They had a double digit lead for about three minutes in the first half. Otherwise the game was always close.SBGold said:sycasey said:SBGold said:I don't know, Sirianni is definitely on a hot seat as well (though he seems to gotten himself 1 more year to right that ship)sycasey said:It's worth noting that people used to say the same things about Andy Reid until he finally won with Mahomes.6956bear said:
Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.
Shanahan has flaws, but let's dispense with the nonsense: a coach who reaches the Super Bowl twice and the NFC Championship four times is not bad enough to be fired. You can do a LOT worse with your replacement.
Siriani's team completely collapsed down the stretch and got stomped in round 1. Shanahan's team reached the Super Bowl and lost in OT. These are not comparable results.
Shanahan's failures in the Super Bowl to hold double digit leads is more problematic than the Sirianni situation. It's time to to have the Shanahan conversation
I'll say the Niners were in the game till the end. perhaps some of the decision making on Shanahan was suspect. I didn't really follow them closely during the year. But I think the Niners were wholly unprepared for overtime. Full disclosure, I did not know about the rule change either and first heard about it when they were explaining it.Quote:
a bit late for the numb nutz coach. His OT strategy was to get the ball 3rd. Good lord. And lack of prep so prominent that Armstead and Kyle J threw the staff under the bus.
You could argue the whole thing turned on a punt randomly hitting a guy in the leg.Anarchistbear said:
All this hand wringing but in a game like this between two closely matched teams of course the game is going to turn on a few plays and with the team that makes fewer blunder and executes. If Pacheco doesn't fumble on first and goal the Chiefs win in regulation.. ..
The difference was Mahomes ( as always) and the Chiefs halftime and overtime coaching but the Niners hung in and could've won- these two teams were evenly matched and put on a great show
Probably yes. I have CMC, I run him into the ground in this game. And I don't count on a decision in OT to have the ball third. As SFGATE pointed out today, numb nutz was more prepared for the post game handshake than he was for OTsycasey said:Internet keyboard warriors are hilarious. Yes, I'm sure the guy who has coached an NFL team to 2 Super Bowls and 4 conference championship games in the last 5 years is a "numb nutz." I'm sure you could do a lot better!SBGold said:a bit late for the numb nutz coach.sycasey said:I'm saying that within the game he saw an issue and corrected it later.BearGoggles said:The "after the poor 3rd quarter" part of your post seems to suggest he did not actually learn from prior mistakes. That was some brutal play calling.sycasey said:That's the thing: I think Shanahan actually did learn from his prior mistakes in this game. After the poor 3rd quarter he got back to basics and had a McCaffrey-heavy game plan. It was working, but they made some mistakes and couldn't quite close the deal.SBGold said:Ok, that's an arguable point. The other games though (including up 28-3), are notsycasey said:I also think the "double digit lead" storyline for this game is dumb. They had a double digit lead for about three minutes in the first half. Otherwise the game was always close.SBGold said:sycasey said:SBGold said:I don't know, Sirianni is definitely on a hot seat as well (though he seems to gotten himself 1 more year to right that ship)sycasey said:It's worth noting that people used to say the same things about Andy Reid until he finally won with Mahomes.6956bear said:
Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.
Shanahan has flaws, but let's dispense with the nonsense: a coach who reaches the Super Bowl twice and the NFC Championship four times is not bad enough to be fired. You can do a LOT worse with your replacement.
Siriani's team completely collapsed down the stretch and got stomped in round 1. Shanahan's team reached the Super Bowl and lost in OT. These are not comparable results.
Shanahan's failures in the Super Bowl to hold double digit leads is more problematic than the Sirianni situation. It's time to to have the Shanahan conversation
sycasey said:Internet keyboard warriors are hilarious. Yes, I'm sure the guy who has coached an NFL team to 2 Super Bowls and 4 conference championship games in the last 5 years is a "numb nutz." I'm sure you could do a lot better!SBGold said:a bit late for the numb nutz coach.sycasey said:I'm saying that within the game he saw an issue and corrected it later.BearGoggles said:The "after the poor 3rd quarter" part of your post seems to suggest he did not actually learn from prior mistakes. That was some brutal play calling.sycasey said:That's the thing: I think Shanahan actually did learn from his prior mistakes in this game. After the poor 3rd quarter he got back to basics and had a McCaffrey-heavy game plan. It was working, but they made some mistakes and couldn't quite close the deal.SBGold said:Ok, that's an arguable point. The other games though (including up 28-3), are notsycasey said:I also think the "double digit lead" storyline for this game is dumb. They had a double digit lead for about three minutes in the first half. Otherwise the game was always close.SBGold said:sycasey said:SBGold said:I don't know, Sirianni is definitely on a hot seat as well (though he seems to gotten himself 1 more year to right that ship)sycasey said:It's worth noting that people used to say the same things about Andy Reid until he finally won with Mahomes.6956bear said:
Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.
Shanahan has flaws, but let's dispense with the nonsense: a coach who reaches the Super Bowl twice and the NFC Championship four times is not bad enough to be fired. You can do a LOT worse with your replacement.
Siriani's team completely collapsed down the stretch and got stomped in round 1. Shanahan's team reached the Super Bowl and lost in OT. These are not comparable results.
Shanahan's failures in the Super Bowl to hold double digit leads is more problematic than the Sirianni situation. It's time to to have the Shanahan conversation
And I'm saying that if he truly learned from his mistakes in prior games, he wouldn't have had made the exact same mistakes in the third quarter of this game. When he did adjust in this game, it was too late.sycasey said:I'm saying that within the game he saw an issue and corrected it later.BearGoggles said:The "after the poor 3rd quarter" part of your post seems to suggest he did not actually learn from prior mistakes. That was some brutal play calling.sycasey said:That's the thing: I think Shanahan actually did learn from his prior mistakes in this game. After the poor 3rd quarter he got back to basics and had a McCaffrey-heavy game plan. It was working, but they made some mistakes and couldn't quite close the deal.SBGold said:Ok, that's an arguable point. The other games though (including up 28-3), are notsycasey said:I also think the "double digit lead" storyline for this game is dumb. They had a double digit lead for about three minutes in the first half. Otherwise the game was always close.SBGold said:sycasey said:SBGold said:I don't know, Sirianni is definitely on a hot seat as well (though he seems to gotten himself 1 more year to right that ship)sycasey said:It's worth noting that people used to say the same things about Andy Reid until he finally won with Mahomes.6956bear said:
Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.
Shanahan has flaws, but let's dispense with the nonsense: a coach who reaches the Super Bowl twice and the NFC Championship four times is not bad enough to be fired. You can do a LOT worse with your replacement.
Siriani's team completely collapsed down the stretch and got stomped in round 1. Shanahan's team reached the Super Bowl and lost in OT. These are not comparable results.
Shanahan's failures in the Super Bowl to hold double digit leads is more problematic than the Sirianni situation. It's time to to have the Shanahan conversation
BearGoggles said:And I'm saying that if he truly learned from his mistakes in prior games, he wouldn't have had made the exact same mistakes in the third quarter of this game. When he did adjust in this game, it was too late.sycasey said:I'm saying that within the game he saw an issue and corrected it later.BearGoggles said:The "after the poor 3rd quarter" part of your post seems to suggest he did not actually learn from prior mistakes. That was some brutal play calling.sycasey said:That's the thing: I think Shanahan actually did learn from his prior mistakes in this game. After the poor 3rd quarter he got back to basics and had a McCaffrey-heavy game plan. It was working, but they made some mistakes and couldn't quite close the deal.SBGold said:Ok, that's an arguable point. The other games though (including up 28-3), are notsycasey said:I also think the "double digit lead" storyline for this game is dumb. They had a double digit lead for about three minutes in the first half. Otherwise the game was always close.SBGold said:sycasey said:SBGold said:I don't know, Sirianni is definitely on a hot seat as well (though he seems to gotten himself 1 more year to right that ship)sycasey said:It's worth noting that people used to say the same things about Andy Reid until he finally won with Mahomes.6956bear said:
Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.
Shanahan has flaws, but let's dispense with the nonsense: a coach who reaches the Super Bowl twice and the NFC Championship four times is not bad enough to be fired. You can do a LOT worse with your replacement.
Siriani's team completely collapsed down the stretch and got stomped in round 1. Shanahan's team reached the Super Bowl and lost in OT. These are not comparable results.
Shanahan's failures in the Super Bowl to hold double digit leads is more problematic than the Sirianni situation. It's time to to have the Shanahan conversation
And I do agree that the game also had a few key plays irrespective of play calling. Certainly the missed extra point and punt. But those things happen and the poor play calling created a very narrow margin for error. The niners should have been up by 14+ points and weren't. The niners also caught some breaks (like the questionable defensive holding call on the final 4th quarter drive).
