USC Lincoln Riley could be available?

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7:34a, 10/13/24
As the Trojans drop to 1-3 in B10 and are like the Bears 3-3 overall, the fanbase is sounding like ours. Fire, fire, fire. And fUcla is also running into the B10 hurt zone with 1-5, 0-4 start. Maybe we could just do a coach swap? unless one of the experts in here can step up and coach the Bears now?? Point is, who is truly available to come in now? Most mid season coaches are replaced by assistants. It's pointless to keep throwing this idea out to simply vent and help the spiraling Bears.
Bring back bottled beer and cigars at CMS. Should get us back in the Rose Bowl!
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In reply to 72CalBear • 7:40a, 10/13/24
72CalBear said:
As the Trojans drop to 1-3 in B10 and are like the Bears 3-3 overall, the fanbase is sounding like ours. Fire, fire, fire. And fUcla is also running into the B10 hurt zone with 1-5, 0-4 start. Maybe we could just do a coach swap? unless one of the experts in here can step up and coach the Bears now?? Point is, who is truly available to come in now? Most mid season coaches are replaced by assistants. It's pointless to keep throwing this idea out to simply vent and help the spiraling Bears.


Ron Rivera, HC
Lincoln Riley, OC
Justin Wilcox, DC
Sirmon can coach LBs
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8:09a, 10/13/24
an $88M dollar buyout... the sport is so fundamentally broken. at what point in the nil era does a school just put a coach on garden leave and redirect the buyout $$$ to the transfer portal?
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8:16a, 10/13/24
School has nothing to so with it.
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In reply to 72CalBear • 8:37a, 10/13/24
72CalBear said:
As the Trojans drop to 1-3 in B10 and are like the Bears 3-3 overall, the fanbase is sounding like ours. Fire, fire, fire. And fUcla is also running into the B10 hurt zone with 1-5, 0-4 start. Maybe we could just do a coach swap? unless one of the experts in here can step up and coach the Bears now?? Point is, who is truly available to come in now? Most mid season coaches are replaced by assistants. It's pointless to keep throwing this idea out to simply vent and help the spiraling Bears.
Riley can get a top OC job, including in the NFL, in a NY minute, until the right job comes along. Why would he want a job at Cal where the narrative in the coaching world is our administrators are unsupportive (worse descriptions often apply)?

BTW, despite the aggressive offensive style he installs, Riley himself is fairly soft-spoken and intellectual - likely a fit for Cal. I think the problem is vice-versa.
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In reply to oursdor • 8:39a, 10/13/24
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an $88M dollar buyout... the sport is so fundamentally broken. at what point in the nil era does a school just put a coach on garden leave and redirect the buyout $$$ to the transfer portal?
Yup.

I am guessing that as more school revenue from TV contracts flow to the players we will see a compression in the length of these contracts. It just isn't the case that you need to tell recruits "He will be here for a while, see - 4 years guaranteed." and much more of this is going to devolve to some specialized positions akin to the GM (talent evaluation, transfer identification, etc. etc.). A forward looking AD is on top of these trends as the industry starts to work through these ridiculous guaranteed deals.

I am guessing we will start to move toward baseball. The Manager still gets canned (a lot) but there is recognition that it is far more important to invest in players and development than some guy walking out to the mound to make an analytically influenced (determined) pitching change.
Take care of your Chicken
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9:23a, 10/13/24
He's sonny dykes but smarmy. Nah.

If Pete Carroll is really bored though...
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9:31a, 10/13/24
Not much of a head coach. His failure to provide even a semblance of a defense in the Caleb Williams era was a massive squander. Plus it's a backwards move coming here and he's still more marketable than that.
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In reply to oski003 • 9:39a, 10/13/24
oski003 said:
72CalBear said:
As the Trojans drop to 1-3 in B10 and are like the Bears 3-3 overall, the fanbase is sounding like ours. Fire, fire, fire. And fUcla is also running into the B10 hurt zone with 1-5, 0-4 start. Maybe we could just do a coach swap? unless one of the experts in here can step up and coach the Bears now?? Point is, who is truly available to come in now? Most mid season coaches are replaced by assistants. It's pointless to keep throwing this idea out to simply vent and help the spiraling Bears.


Ron Rivera, HC
Lincoln Riley, OC
Justin Wilcox, DC
Sirmon can coach LBs


Larry, HC
Curly, OC
Mo, DC
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9:43a, 10/13/24
If he can't win at SC he has no shot at Cal. I would rather us hire a sharp AD with a football background and a reputation for reaching out for help for the other sports. Then have him (yes, it's probably going to be a him) hire an under the radar type, from quite possibly a lower level, that can build a staff and is very detailed. Obviously he will have been successful or at least shown ever building success. It's probably almost more art and evaluating people as it is just getting the most recognizable candidate. I will always love Gladstone's comment on the coaching search that involved a few football guys that knew what it took:

"It just isn't formulaic. For me, it really came down to having been a coach my entire life. I have a pretty good sense of what's real and what's not real, what counts and what doesn't count. Mark played the game, and knew it well. Jack played the game and knew it well. Dan Coonen was a Notre Dame guy. We all trusted our instincts in the process. Ultimately, without giving you too much detail, it was my decision. But I listened to the people on the committee."

This landed us an offensive coordinator named Jeff Tedford.

That's how you hire for anything, I imagine.
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9:50a, 10/13/24
Honestly, not the least bit interested in Riley. His tenure at USC is not impressive given the talent he has had. Also...the $88 million buyout makes this a moot point.

While Cal fans should be very very frustrated with these three losses (we really should be at least 4-2 and probably 5-1), there are many frustrated fan bases right now. Look at Ole Miss who threw all their NIL chips in for this season and are likely to not even make the playoff or 3-3 USC, 1-4 Florida State, 3-4 (UNC and NCST), 2-4 Auburn, 3-3 Florida. Oh, and 1-5 UCLA. Point is this sport often has way more disappointment than joy.

Changes aren't going to happen in season, and probably the best one can hope for is some assistant coach changes for next year (maybe dedicated special teams and OL coach?). I really hope fans still turn out to support the team for the remaining home games, all of which are winnable. The team plays very hard and I think will continue to fight. Even if you feel the coaches don't deserve support, the players do.
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In reply to wifeisafurd • 10:08a, 10/13/24
wifeisafurd said:
72CalBear said:
As the Trojans drop to 1-3 in B10 and are like the Bears 3-3 overall, the fanbase is sounding like ours. Fire, fire, fire. And fUcla is also running into the B10 hurt zone with 1-5, 0-4 start. Maybe we could just do a coach swap? unless one of the experts in here can step up and coach the Bears now?? Point is, who is truly available to come in now? Most mid season coaches are replaced by assistants. It's pointless to keep throwing this idea out to simply vent and help the spiraling Bears.
Riley can get a top OC job, including in the NFL, in a NY minute, until the right job comes along. Why would he want a job at Cal where the narrative in the coaching world is our administrators are unsupportive (worse descriptions often apply)?

BTW, despite the aggressive offensive style he installs, Riley himself is fairly soft-spoken and intellectual - likely a fit for Cal. I think the problem is vice-versa.
Unsupportive? Our AD not only tolerated but gave extensions to a coach with an overall losing record who never had a winning conference record. How much more support does any coach expect?
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In reply to BeatTheClockBear • 10:13a, 10/13/24
BeatTheClockBear said:
Honestly, not the least bit interested in Riley. His tenure at USC is not impressive given the talent he has had. Also...the $88 million buyout makes this a moot point.

While Cal fans should be very very frustrated with these three losses (we really should be at least 4-2 and probably 5-1), there are many frustrated fan bases right now. Look at Ole Miss who threw all their NIL chips in for this season and are likely to not even make the playoff or 3-3 USC, 1-4 Florida State, 3-4 (UNC and NCST), 2-4 Auburn, 3-3 Florida. Oh, and 1-5 UCLA. Point is this sport often has way more disappointment than joy.

Changes aren't going to happen in season, and probably the best one can hope for is some assistant coach changes for next year (maybe dedicated special teams and OL coach?). I really hope fans still turn out to support the team for the remaining home games, all of which are winnable. The team plays very hard and I think will continue to fight. Even if you feel the coaches don't deserve support, the players do.


I think you're right short term. Dedicated OL and special teams coaches. Or, our OC back to OL coach and new OC. Maybe Wilcox needs to get rid of his DC and take that over to free up the money for these hires. Short term moves may help but I hope it doesn't mask the need (unless hell freezes over) to replace Wilcox as HC.
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10:18a, 10/13/24
If we can't buyout Wilcox to quit, surely we can't afford to bring Riley in......
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In reply to Trumpanzee • 10:35a, 10/13/24
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If we can't buyout Wilcox to quit, surely we can't afford to bring Riley in......
If we can't buyout Wilcox, then someone in administration (unfortunately, I have no faith in our AD) needs to hire the OC/Assistant HC and make it clear that that person, not Wilcox, has playcalling authority. If Wilcox doesn't like it, he can leave. (Essentially, this would be similar to the "deal" Oregon allegedly offered.)
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In reply to southseasbear • 10:40a, 10/13/24
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Trumpanzee said:
If we can't buyout Wilcox to quit, surely we can't afford to bring Riley in......
If we can't buyout Wilcox, then someone in administration (unfortunately, I have no faith in our AD) needs to hire the OC/Assistant HC and make it clear that that person, not Wilcox, has playcalling authority. If Wilcox doesn't like it, he can leave. (Essentially, this would be similar to the "deal" Oregon allegedly offered.)


I don't think Cal leadership is that devious/cunning. Maybe the new chancellor...
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In reply to southseasbear • 11:24a, 10/13/24
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wifeisafurd said:
72CalBear said:
As the Trojans drop to 1-3 in B10 and are like the Bears 3-3 overall, the fanbase is sounding like ours. Fire, fire, fire. And fUcla is also running into the B10 hurt zone with 1-5, 0-4 start. Maybe we could just do a coach swap? unless one of the experts in here can step up and coach the Bears now?? Point is, who is truly available to come in now? Most mid season coaches are replaced by assistants. It's pointless to keep throwing this idea out to simply vent and help the spiraling Bears.
Riley can get a top OC job, including in the NFL, in a NY minute, until the right job comes along. Why would he want a job at Cal where the narrative in the coaching world is our administrators are unsupportive (worse descriptions often apply)?

BTW, despite the aggressive offensive style he installs, Riley himself is fairly soft-spoken and intellectual - likely a fit for Cal. I think the problem is vice-versa.
Unsupportive? Our AD not only tolerated but gave extensions to a coach with an overall losing record who never had a winning conference record. How much more support does any coach expect?
Good point and speaks to administrative incompetence, but the knock has been aimed at the lack of overall money and the hostility faced by the football program and players from campus stakeholders. I think the narrative speaks more to removing football funds to pay deficits in other sports, or Aaron Rodgers stories, or what C-19 did the football program, or decades of delaying upgrades to facilities and doing a horrible job in implementing facility upgrades, or problems with funding academic assistance when requested, or allowing tree sitters, or [fill in the many stores recruits are told]. A lot (most?) of this stuff has been addressed, but the narrative continues. There is way more to being a football coach at Cal that is not football stuff than at other schools.

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In reply to southseasbear • 11:25a, 10/13/24
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Trumpanzee said:
If we can't buyout Wilcox to quit, surely we can't afford to bring Riley in......
If we can't buyout Wilcox, then someone in administration (unfortunately, I have no faith in our AD) needs to hire the OC/Assistant HC and make it clear that that person, not Wilcox, has playcalling authority. If Wilcox doesn't like it, he can leave. (Essentially, this would be similar to the "deal" Oregon allegedly offered.)
That has to look horrible to prospective coaching candidates
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In reply to Trumpanzee • 11:26a, 10/13/24
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If we can't buyout Wilcox to quit, surely we can't afford to bring Riley in......
Yea, will other threads there is Pete Carrol etc. If you think 'Riley is expensive...
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In reply to BeatTheClockBear • 11:37a, 10/13/24
BeatTheClockBear said:
Honestly, not the least bit interested in Riley. His tenure at USC is not impressive given the talent he has had. Also...the $88 million buyout makes this a moot point.

While Cal fans should be very very frustrated with these three losses (we really should be at least 4-2 and probably 5-1), there are many frustrated fan bases right now. Look at Ole Miss who threw all their NIL chips in for this season and are likely to not even make the playoff or 3-3 USC, 1-4 Florida State, 3-4 (UNC and NCST), 2-4 Auburn, 3-3 Florida. Oh, and 1-5 UCLA. Point is this sport often has way more disappointment than joy.

Changes aren't going to happen in season, and probably the best one can hope for is some assistant coach changes for next year (maybe dedicated special teams and OL coach?). I really hope fans still turn out to support the team for the remaining home games, all of which are winnable. The team plays very hard and I think will continue to fight. Even if you feel the coaches don't deserve support, the players do.Lot of good points, but the last sentence is a winer. I think the players deserve better. Nando, in particular, is taking a beating- I love the guy and hope he stays healthy.

Excellent post. The last sentence was a winner. Nando, in particular is a warrior. I love the guy, and hope he can stay healthy.

The problem when you start building super leagues like the SEC is not everyone can win. Makes great TV (LSU Ole Miss was a fantastic game), but leaves the fan bases a little adrift when there are fewer teams you can usually beat. I wonder how SC and UCLA fans are liking the B1G right now? The college game has moved more towards a pro model for better or worse.
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In reply to 72CalBear • 12:07p, 10/13/24
fUcla is in a world of hurt.

First, their football stadium is the second longest distance from their campus in the nation.

Second, I read recently they will lose, though perhaps temporarily, their basebase field used for their games which is not on land owned by UCLA.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-09-26/ucla-baseball-loses-its-home-field-for-now-in-a-lawsuit-over-its-use-of-veteran-land
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12:08p, 10/13/24
Ok, I was being sarcastic about Riley - I thought you would catch it. Reading the tea leaves down here in LA and the news, he isn't going anywhere. Unless he chooses to leave - NFL OC? As for the Bears, I agree at 3-3, grit our teeth and support the Bears throughout the next half of the season. The team reads this page and even though they may feel the same way as us at times, they seem devoted to Wilcox and our dissatisfaction at this point won't help them maintain their focus to win games. As it is, they are much more aligned to their position coaches and coordinators than to him. Having a bunch of old Bears taking Wilcox to the wood shed doesn't seem to serve the team.
Bring back bottled beer and cigars at CMS. Should get us back in the Rose Bowl!
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In reply to BeatTheClockBear • 12:55p, 10/13/24
Oh great... next year, more assistant changes? We're rinsing and repeating the last 4-6 years. Expecting a different outcome and trying the same thing year over year would be foolish.
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In reply to 72CalBear • 1:14p, 10/13/24
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Ok, I was being sarcastic about Riley - I thought you would catch it.
Thank you for clarifying. I was worried about your judgement for a moment.
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In reply to Trumpanzee • 2:24p, 10/13/24
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oski003 said:
72CalBear said:
As the Trojans drop to 1-3 in B10 and are like the Bears 3-3 overall, the fanbase is sounding like ours. Fire, fire, fire. And fUcla is also running into the B10 hurt zone with 1-5, 0-4 start. Maybe we could just do a coach swap? unless one of the experts in here can step up and coach the Bears now?? Point is, who is truly available to come in now? Most mid season coaches are replaced by assistants. It's pointless to keep throwing this idea out to simply vent and help the spiraling Bears.



Larry, HC
Curly, OC
Mo, DC


That"s what we have now
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In reply to wifeisafurd • 3:18p, 10/13/24
wifeisafurd said:
southseasbear said:
Trumpanzee said:
If we can't buyout Wilcox to quit, surely we can't afford to bring Riley in......
If we can't buyout Wilcox, then someone in administration (unfortunately, I have no faith in our AD) needs to hire the OC/Assistant HC and make it clear that that person, not Wilcox, has playcalling authority. If Wilcox doesn't like it, he can leave. (Essentially, this would be similar to the "deal" Oregon allegedly offered.)
That has to look horrible to prospective coaching candidates
Would it have looked horrible if he had agreed to similar terms at Oregon?

This would be a short term fix in lieu of firing him and paying out his salary. The next coach will be given more latitude.

In fact, I wouldn't stop at OC. I'd mandate he hire an ST coordinator and turn over all authority regarding ST to that person. In essence he would be the HC in name with authority over defense only.
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In reply to chazzed • 8:03a, 10/14/24
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72CalBear said:
Ok, I was being sarcastic about Riley - I thought you would catch it.
Thank you for clarifying. I was worried about your judgement for a moment.
Exactly. No established, successful coach in their right mind would come here to take over the Bears.
Bring back bottled beer and cigars at CMS. Should get us back in the Rose Bowl!
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In reply to 72CalBear • 8:13a, 10/14/24
72CalBear said:
chazzed said:
72CalBear said:
Ok, I was being sarcastic about Riley - I thought you would catch it.
Thank you for clarifying. I was worried about your judgement for a moment.
Exactly. No established, successful coach in their right mind would come here to take over the Bears.


Plenty of great coaches out there who would love the Cal job. Would they be successful stepping up from an assistant or lower level job? Only one way to find out. Just like politics, we need to look for basic, fundamental, disciplined people who have shown continued progress in coordinator or lower level schools (with regards to politics, quit electing lifetime politicians). I would be worried if we somehow nabbed someone from an established program looking to do, who knows what, stepping down to Cal. This means we need a Gladstone person in the AD: gets knowledgeable people involved in the discovery process and then picks the person they recognize from their experience coaching and/or leading who exhibits the best traits of a leader. I have confidence that a bonafide AD can smell BS during an interview. Even if the candidate is a 'nice guy'. I truly hope I've never heard of the next head football coach because I don't know the assistants or the lower level coaches at all.
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In reply to Trumpanzee • 7:12a, 10/15/24
Thanks for making me laugh!!!!
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7:15a, 10/15/24
Just my opinion, I mean no disrespect to anyone, but this whole issue seems ridiculous to discuss. USC's W/L record just might have a little bit to do with there competition, no?
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7:28a, 10/15/24
The initial post was made in jest.
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In reply to RedlessWardrobe • 7:29a, 10/15/24
RedlessWardrobe said:
Just my opinion, I mean no disrespect to anyone, but this whole issue seems ridiculous to discuss. USC's W/L record just might have a little bit to do with there competition, no?


We have lost to two ranked teams and at Florida State.
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In reply to Trumpanzee • 10:52a, 10/15/24
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If we can't buyout Wilcox to quit, surely we can't afford to bring Riley in......
I'd rather have Mike Riley if we are doing Rileys ha. That dude did more with less when he was at Oregon State, and I don't think Nebraska stint was the right fit for him. He is getting old though
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12:15p, 10/15/24
Lordy, this has gone too far! Yet I recall discussing the notion of hiring Pete Carrol at Cal when he was first losing at Seattle.
Bring back bottled beer and cigars at CMS. Should get us back in the Rose Bowl!
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In reply to 72CalBear • 12:53p, 10/15/24
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Lordy, this has gone too far! Yet I recall discussing the notion of hiring Pete Carrol at Cal when he was first losing at Seattle.
We have our dreams; without our dreams we don't have much.
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