Coaches Hot Seat: Wilcox #50!?!?

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Ccajon2
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Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.

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Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.


I'd take either one over Wilcox.
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southseasbear said:

Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.


I'd take either one over Wilcox.


I'd take ANYONE over Wilcox. Is there a worse head coach in P4 football?
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Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.




The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..

If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.
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calumnus said:

Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.




The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..

If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL."
We might have won if we had a coach who prioritized the Oline.
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bearsandgiants said:

calumnus said:

Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.




The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..

If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL."
We might have won if we had a coach who prioritized the Oline.


Even with the OL we have we still win all three of those games by admitting we don't have a good OL and calling plays accordingly. What is stupid is not having a good OL and continuing with a strategy and playing calling as if we do, over and over again.

It took Musgrave until halfway through year 2 to start using Garbor's running ability to get first downs and score TDs to win games. Ideally you have an OC who is smart enough to figure out what is our best strategy using the personnel we have.
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Golden One said:

southseasbear said:

Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.


I'd take either one over Wilcox.


I'd take ANYONE over Wilcox. Is there a worse head coach in P4 football?
even Tony Elliott has more potential than Wilcox
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calumnus said:

Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.




The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..

If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.

Just a guess, but I doubt they're even taking the contract/buyout into account. They're probably thinking, "Cal, they're , like, a .500 team and... they're .500! Wilcox is a great fit for Cal!"
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Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.


Wilcox at 50 is a surprise given there is no heat on him at all.
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Big C said:

calumnus said:

Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.




The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..

If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.

Just a guess, but I doubt they're even taking the contract/buyout into account. They're probably thinking, "Cal, they're , like, a .500 team and... they're .500! Wilcox is a great fit for Cal!"


Self-fulfilling expectations. We extended Holmoe too.

Holmoe's team rankings in Sports-Reference.com

1997 #58
1998 #47
1999 #65
2000 #56
2001 #90

Wilcox
2017 #72
2018 #65
2019 #46
2020 #105
2021 #81
2022 #74
2023 #61
2024 #63

Holmoe average #63

Wilcox average #71

Wilcox average with 2020 thrown out #66

Wilcox is at best just as bad as Holmoe, he has just been given twice as long to prove it.

The reasons are all there before our eyes, even if we beat most of the scrubs remaining on our schedule and get to a bowl, that he will lose.
TypiCal
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We would all probably take Napier now. Only Question is why hasn't his LSU success transfer over to Florida. Of course Billy Boy wouldn't touch Cal with a 10-ft pole even if we doubled his salary.
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TypiCal said:

We would all probably take Napier now. Only Question is why hasn't his LSU success transfer over to Florida. Of course Billy Boy wouldn't touch Cal with a 10-ft pole even if we doubled his salary.
He did well coaching Louisiana (Lafayette) but there are issues at Florida that go beyond Napier and the tough schedule does not help either
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Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.


do they know that we don't have the $$$ to sack him for another few years? Why waste a good top ten spot for something that won't be done, no matter what... Unless, of course, Lyons sacks the AD, but he wouldn't do that before the end of the season. He knows not to let the AD sack and replace JW.
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Another think that bothers me is that Knowlton seems to spend a great deal of his time staying in a house in Utah or Colorado, where he helps run some sort of real estate business with his sons. What AD gets a deal like that? He should be spending all of his time working at Cal.
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Gobears49 said:

Another think that bothers me is that Knowlton seems to spend a great deal of his time staying in a house in Utah or Colorado, where he helps run some sort of real estate business with his sons. What AD gets a deal like that? He should be spending all of his time working at Cal.


Ironically, he being distracted by a second job probably helps us...until he has to make a decision. Lyons just needs to always say, "No, no Jim, we got you. Don't bother." But really, he needs to be let go.
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Gobears49 said:

Another think that bothers me is that Knowlton seems to spend a great deal of his time staying in a house in Utah or Colorado, where he helps run some sort of real estate business with his sons. What AD gets a deal like that? He should be spending all of his time working at Cal.
Yeah, I think Lyons is in assessment mode.
Notice that Knowlton, uncharacteristically, bothered to be at the Auburn game, when Lyons, himself, was there? I think we can count on Lyons demanding improved performance benchmarks. He seems to "get" the importance of school spirit and reputation in all endeavors.
I would say Knowlton's seat is warmer than Wilcox's.
"Just win, baby."
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Bowlesman80 said:

Gobears49 said:

Another think that bothers me is that Knowlton seems to spend a great deal of his time staying in a house in Utah or Colorado, where he helps run some sort of real estate business with his sons. What AD gets a deal like that? He should be spending all of his time working at Cal.
Yeah, I think Lyons is in assessment mode.
Notice that Knowlton, uncharacteristically, bothered to be at the Auburn game, when Lyons, himself, was there? I think we can count on Lyons demanding improved performance benchmarks. He seems to "get" the importance of school spirit and reputation in all endeavors.
I would say Knowlton's seat is warmer than Wilcox's.


Knowlton took the Cal chartered jet to Notre Dame and other big name away games. He loves the perks of the job, such as his private suite at Memorial….
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calumnus said:

Big C said:

calumnus said:

Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.




The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..

If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.

Just a guess, but I doubt they're even taking the contract/buyout into account. They're probably thinking, "Cal, they're , like, a .500 team and... they're .500! Wilcox is a great fit for Cal!"


Self-fulfilling expectations. We extended Holmoe too.

Holmoe's team rankings in Sports-Reference.com

1997 #58
1998 #47
1999 #65
2000 #56
2001 #90

Wilcox
2017 #72
2018 #65
2019 #46
2020 #105
2021 #81
2022 #74
2023 #61
2024 #63

Holmoe average #63

Wilcox average #71

Wilcox average with 2020 thrown out #66

Wilcox is at best just as bad as Holmoe, he has just been given twice as long to prove it.

The reasons are all there before our eyes, even if we beat most of the scrubs remaining on our schedule and get to a bowl, that he will lose.



Wilcox has better talent (to work with) than Holmoe did too, in general.
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Bowlesman80 said:

Gobears49 said:

Another think that bothers me is that Knowlton seems to spend a great deal of his time staying in a house in Utah or Colorado, where he helps run some sort of real estate business with his sons. What AD gets a deal like that? He should be spending all of his time working at Cal.
Yeah, I think Lyons is in assessment mode.
Notice that Knowlton, uncharacteristically, bothered to be at the Auburn game, when Lyons, himself, was there? I think we can count on Lyons demanding improved performance benchmarks. He seems to "get" the importance of school spirit and reputation in all endeavors.
I would say Knowlton's seat is warmer than Wilcox's.
A Knowlton replacement will waste no time in getting rid of JW. Could happen this year, if Lyons can round up the dough.
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bearsandgiants said:

calumnus said:

Big C said:

calumnus said:

Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.




The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..

If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.

Just a guess, but I doubt they're even taking the contract/buyout into account. They're probably thinking, "Cal, they're , like, a .500 team and... they're .500! Wilcox is a great fit for Cal!"


Self-fulfilling expectations. We extended Holmoe too.

Holmoe's team rankings in Sports-Reference.com

1997 #58
1998 #47
1999 #65
2000 #56
2001 #90

Wilcox
2017 #72
2018 #65
2019 #46
2020 #105
2021 #81
2022 #74
2023 #61
2024 #63

Holmoe average #63

Wilcox average #71

Wilcox average with 2020 thrown out #66

Wilcox is at best just as bad as Holmoe, he has just been given twice as long to prove it.

The reasons are all there before our eyes, even if we beat most of the scrubs remaining on our schedule and get to a bowl, that he will lose.



Wilcox has better talent (to work with) than Holmoe did too, in general.


Holmoe actually recruited fairly well as Tedford demonstrated in 2002. It is a great example of the difference good coaching vs bad coaching can make.

And many people on this board also defended Holmoe by denigrating the players, especially the OL. Tedford blew that theory out of the water.
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calumnus said:

bearsandgiants said:

calumnus said:

Big C said:

calumnus said:

Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.




The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..

If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.

Just a guess, but I doubt they're even taking the contract/buyout into account. They're probably thinking, "Cal, they're , like, a .500 team and... they're .500! Wilcox is a great fit for Cal!"


Self-fulfilling expectations. We extended Holmoe too.

Holmoe's team rankings in Sports-Reference.com

1997 #58
1998 #47
1999 #65
2000 #56
2001 #90

Wilcox
2017 #72
2018 #65
2019 #46
2020 #105
2021 #81
2022 #74
2023 #61
2024 #63

Holmoe average #63

Wilcox average #71

Wilcox average with 2020 thrown out #66

Wilcox is at best just as bad as Holmoe, he has just been given twice as long to prove it.

The reasons are all there before our eyes, even if we beat most of the scrubs remaining on our schedule and get to a bowl, that he will lose.



Wilcox has better talent (to work with) than Holmoe did too, in general.


Holmoe actually recruited fairly well as Tedford demonstrated in 2002. It is a great example of the difference good coaching vs bad coaching can make.

And many people on this board also defended Holmoe by denigrating the players, especially the OL. Tedford blew that theory out of the water.


How does Holmoe have a winless season and be ranked #63 and Wilcox have a 3-3 season and be ranked #65? Your posts are so misleading. Holmoe had 12 totals wins in 5 seasons.
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Rushinbear said:

Bowlesman80 said:

Gobears49 said:

Another think that bothers me is that Knowlton seems to spend a great deal of his time staying in a house in Utah or Colorado, where he helps run some sort of real estate business with his sons. What AD gets a deal like that? He should be spending all of his time working at Cal.
Yeah, I think Lyons is in assessment mode.
Notice that Knowlton, uncharacteristically, bothered to be at the Auburn game, when Lyons, himself, was there? I think we can count on Lyons demanding improved performance benchmarks. He seems to "get" the importance of school spirit and reputation in all endeavors.
I would say Knowlton's seat is warmer than Wilcox's.
A Knowlton replacement will waste no time in getting rid of JW. Could happen this year, if Lyons can round up the dough.
Lyons may be another tien. all mouth and no action. Besides his job is the academic side. He has enough trouble that UC Berkeley is not the no.1 public school according to recent ratings.
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oski003 said:

calumnus said:

bearsandgiants said:

calumnus said:

Big C said:

calumnus said:

Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.




The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..

If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.

Just a guess, but I doubt they're even taking the contract/buyout into account. They're probably thinking, "Cal, they're , like, a .500 team and... they're .500! Wilcox is a great fit for Cal!"


Self-fulfilling expectations. We extended Holmoe too.

Holmoe's team rankings in Sports-Reference.com

1997 #58
1998 #47
1999 #65
2000 #56
2001 #90

Wilcox
2017 #72
2018 #65
2019 #46
2020 #105
2021 #81
2022 #74
2023 #61
2024 #63

Holmoe average #63

Wilcox average #71

Wilcox average with 2020 thrown out #66

Wilcox is at best just as bad as Holmoe, he has just been given twice as long to prove it.

The reasons are all there before our eyes, even if we beat most of the scrubs remaining on our schedule and get to a bowl, that he will lose.



Wilcox has better talent (to work with) than Holmoe did too, in general.


Holmoe actually recruited fairly well as Tedford demonstrated in 2002. It is a great example of the difference good coaching vs bad coaching can make.

And many people on this board also defended Holmoe by denigrating the players, especially the OL. Tedford blew that theory out of the water.


How does Holmoe have a winless season and be ranked #63 and Wilcox have a 3-3 season and be ranked #65? Your posts are so misleading. Holmoe had 12 totals wins in 5 seasons.

Yeah, Holmoe was in a category of his own, capped off by that one-win season. We can mix Wilcox in with most of the rest: Theder, Kapp, Gilby, etc.
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oski003 said:

calumnus said:

bearsandgiants said:

calumnus said:

Big C said:

calumnus said:

Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.




The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..

If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.

Just a guess, but I doubt they're even taking the contract/buyout into account. They're probably thinking, "Cal, they're , like, a .500 team and... they're .500! Wilcox is a great fit for Cal!"


Self-fulfilling expectations. We extended Holmoe too.

Holmoe's team rankings in Sports-Reference.com

1997 #58
1998 #47
1999 #65
2000 #56
2001 #90

Wilcox
2017 #72
2018 #65
2019 #46
2020 #105
2021 #81
2022 #74
2023 #61
2024 #63

Holmoe average #63

Wilcox average #71

Wilcox average with 2020 thrown out #66

Wilcox is at best just as bad as Holmoe, he has just been given twice as long to prove it.

The reasons are all there before our eyes, even if we beat most of the scrubs remaining on our schedule and get to a bowl, that he will lose.



Wilcox has better talent (to work with) than Holmoe did too, in general.


Holmoe actually recruited fairly well as Tedford demonstrated in 2002. It is a great example of the difference good coaching vs bad coaching can make.

And many people on this board also defended Holmoe by denigrating the players, especially the OL. Tedford blew that theory out of the water.


How does Holmoe have a winless season and be ranked #63 and Wilcox have a 3-3 season and be ranked #65? Your posts are so misleading. Holmoe had 12 totals wins in 5 seasons.


Holmoe's 1 win season (not winless) was with the #90 ranked team, not #63. We used to play only 11 games and didn't pay FCS teams every year. That is 14 extra wins against patsies for Wilcox
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LodeBear said:

Rushinbear said:

Bowlesman80 said:

Gobears49 said:

Another think that bothers me is that Knowlton seems to spend a great deal of his time staying in a house in Utah or Colorado, where he helps run some sort of real estate business with his sons. What AD gets a deal like that? He should be spending all of his time working at Cal.
Yeah, I think Lyons is in assessment mode.
Notice that Knowlton, uncharacteristically, bothered to be at the Auburn game, when Lyons, himself, was there? I think we can count on Lyons demanding improved performance benchmarks. He seems to "get" the importance of school spirit and reputation in all endeavors.
I would say Knowlton's seat is warmer than Wilcox's.
A Knowlton replacement will waste no time in getting rid of JW. Could happen this year, if Lyons can round up the dough.
Lyons may be another tien. all mouth and no action. Besides his job is the academic side. He has enough trouble that UC Berkeley is not the no.1 public school according to recent ratings.
What about budget then on the athletic side? Doesn't he have oversight responsibility for that? A bloated athletic department that continues to lose money. He's either got to cut budget, increase revenue of risk continuing to have the department run a deficit. Not necessarily a football issue (if he really doesn't care about football) but football is the biggest revenue driver if he decides to go that route to balance the budget.
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calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

bearsandgiants said:

calumnus said:

Big C said:

calumnus said:

Ccajon2 said:

Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.

Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.




The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..

If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.

Just a guess, but I doubt they're even taking the contract/buyout into account. They're probably thinking, "Cal, they're , like, a .500 team and... they're .500! Wilcox is a great fit for Cal!"


Self-fulfilling expectations. We extended Holmoe too.

Holmoe's team rankings in Sports-Reference.com

1997 #58
1998 #47
1999 #65
2000 #56
2001 #90

Wilcox
2017 #72
2018 #65
2019 #46
2020 #105
2021 #81
2022 #74
2023 #61
2024 #63

Holmoe average #63

Wilcox average #71

Wilcox average with 2020 thrown out #66

Wilcox is at best just as bad as Holmoe, he has just been given twice as long to prove it.

The reasons are all there before our eyes, even if we beat most of the scrubs remaining on our schedule and get to a bowl, that he will lose.



Wilcox has better talent (to work with) than Holmoe did too, in general.


Holmoe actually recruited fairly well as Tedford demonstrated in 2002. It is a great example of the difference good coaching vs bad coaching can make.

And many people on this board also defended Holmoe by denigrating the players, especially the OL. Tedford blew that theory out of the water.


How does Holmoe have a winless season and be ranked #63 and Wilcox have a 3-3 season and be ranked #65? Your posts are so misleading. Holmoe had 12 totals wins in 5 seasons.


Holmoe's 1 win season (not winless) was with the #90 ranked team, not #63. We used to play only 11 games and didn't pay FCS teams every year. That is 14 extra wins against patsies for Wilcox


Stop. Just. Stop.

Here is Holmoe's record:

1997: 3-8, 1-7 in conference
1998: 5-6, 3-5 in conference
1999: 0-7, 0-5 in conference (team was really 4-7 but vacated wins because of cheating)
2000: 3-8, 2-6 in conference
2001: 1-10, 0-8 in conference.

I can't believe you are doubling down on your argument that Wilcox is worse or as bad or even nearly as bad as Holmoe. What are you smoking?
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LodeBear said:

Rushinbear said:

Bowlesman80 said:

Gobears49 said:

Another think that bothers me is that Knowlton seems to spend a great deal of his time staying in a house in Utah or Colorado, where he helps run some sort of real estate business with his sons. What AD gets a deal like that? He should be spending all of his time working at Cal.
Yeah, I think Lyons is in assessment mode.
Notice that Knowlton, uncharacteristically, bothered to be at the Auburn game, when Lyons, himself, was there? I think we can count on Lyons demanding improved performance benchmarks. He seems to "get" the importance of school spirit and reputation in all endeavors.
I would say Knowlton's seat is warmer than Wilcox's.
A Knowlton replacement will waste no time in getting rid of JW. Could happen this year, if Lyons can round up the dough.
Lyons may be another tien. all mouth and no action. Besides his job is the academic side. He has enough trouble that UC Berkeley is not the no.1 public school according to recent ratings.
The academic rankings can be swung by athletic rankings.
"Just win, baby."
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Spare everyone the hyperbole. In the 15 years I've been following discussions the coaches are seen as responsible damn near 100% of the time. Rightfully so.

Coaches are blamed for not coaching up players, failing to keep them conditioned and healthy, bad scheming, failure to hire better coaches, etc.

The only times I've seen players blamed was Kevin Riley and DeSean in 2007 for on field bloopers or locker room stuff. And on occasion bad QB selection, but that always led to fingers pointing at coaches.
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Wilcox cracks the top 20 and is now at #17 fwiw.
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BarcaBear said:

Spare everyone the hyperbole. In the 15 years I've been following discussions the coaches are seen as responsible damn near 100% of the time. Rightfully so.

Coaches are blamed for not coaching up players, failing to keep them conditioned and healthy, bad scheming, failure to hire better coaches, etc.

The only times I've seen players blamed was Kevin Riley and DeSean in 2007 for on field bloopers or locker room stuff. And on occasion bad QB selection, but that always led to fingers pointing at coaches.


This year I learned for the first time that Tedford told Riley to throw it away. Had never heard that and it was a huge criticism of him. Still not sure it's true.
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Damn it this is the ****ing ACC, and we're dead ****ing last! **** this ***** We should be undefeated. Fml
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bearsandgiants said:

Damn it this is the ****ing ACC, and we're dead ****ing last! **** this ***** We should be undefeated. Fml


Who thought we would go into November looking up at Stanford in the standings?

We are in dead last and two teams that have no other conference wins have their lone win against us.

If and when we eventually get it, our first ACC win will not come until November, after the election.

And yes, with just competent coaching we are easily 7-0 (4-0), ranked and on our way to the conference championship game.
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calumnus
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BarcaBear said:

Spare everyone the hyperbole. In the 15 years I've been following discussions the coaches are seen as responsible damn near 100% of the time. Rightfully so.

Coaches are blamed for not coaching up players, failing to keep them conditioned and healthy, bad scheming, failure to hire better coaches, etc.

The only times I've seen players blamed was Kevin Riley and DeSean in 2007 for on field bloopers or locker room stuff. And on occasion bad QB selection, but that always led to fingers pointing at coaches.


My statement was clearly qualified based on the source of the rankings (sports-reference.com) which takes into account the much higher strength of schedule the Holmoe teams faced. By that measure, Wilcox is worse. That said, I will stipulate that I agree, Tom Holmoe was worse than Justin Wilcox.

However, Wilcox has been bad over a longer period of time and at the absolute worst time for the program. Holmoe's salary and buyout was less than $1million. Whatever long term damage Holmoe's losing did was erased with the hiring of Tedford. The damage holding onto Wilcox has been much greater. Hopefully, we can move on from Wilcox despite the $15 million buyout, hire a great new coach and have tremendous success going forward.
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calumnus said:

bearsandgiants said:

Damn it this is the ****ing ACC, and we're dead ****ing last! **** this ***** We should be undefeated. Fml


Who thought we would go into November looking up at Stanford in the standings?

We are in dead last and two teams that have no other conference wins have their lone win against us.

If and when we eventually get it, our first ACC win will not come until November, after the election.

And yes, with just competent coaching we are easily 7-0 (4-0), ranked and on our way to the conference championship game.
This is why I disagreed with those who felt we should self-relegate to the MWC where we could be more successful. Wilcox without the talent that will indubitably leave will continue to be mediocre in a less competitive conference.
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