okaydo said:
It's also Cal's destiny to find QBs who are great every year ending in a 3.
Another one is to execute a two-minute drill to come from behind. Haven't seen that. But his poise and traits are out of this world for someone that was the 3rd string at the start of last season.Joegeo said:
Probably needs to show he can throw the ball deep consistently too but he's got a shot to be a draft pick.
MiZery said:
I'd be more worried about him hitting the portal
MathTeacherMike said:
Ridiculous. This is classic TypiCal. Zero chance in today's NFL. If he plays a down in a regular season NFL game I'll eat my shoe.
MathTeacherMike said:
Ridiculous. This is classic TypiCal. Zero chance in today's NFL. If he plays a down in a regular season NFL game I'll eat my shoe.
QBs drafted in recent years who did not have lots of playing time in college have busted spectacularly, the ones who have played lots of games (Jayden Daniels, Justin Herbert, Bo Nix, Jalen Hurts), have done much better. CJ Stroud has been the interesting outlier.MilleniaBear said:
He has a good chance. Shockingly the NFL is not good at rating QBs. Check out the last 4 or 5 drafts. Many busts or soon to be busts.
QB right now is much more about processing speed and toughness and much less about ability to throw and run. Of course you have to run and throw - and having a great arm and learning accuracy is super important. But playing and figuring out the game and understanding defenses is much more important. That is why Brady and Mahomes and Rodgers and Manning have been the best QBs for the past 20 years - they understand where everything is on the field and the defense and know exactly where to attack. And why lots of other people who have amazing arms fail.Strykur said:QBs drafted in recent years who did not have lots of playing time in college have busted spectacularly, the ones who have played lots of games (Jayden Daniels, Justin Herbert, Bo Nix, Jalen Hurts), have done much better. CJ Stroud has been the interesting outlier.MilleniaBear said:
He has a good chance. Shockingly the NFL is not good at rating QBs. Check out the last 4 or 5 drafts. Many busts or soon to be busts.
Oski87 said:QB right now is much more about processing speed and toughness and much less about ability to throw and run. Of course you have to run and throw - and having a great arm and learning accuracy is super important. But playing and figuring out the game and understanding defenses is much more important. That is why Brady and Mahomes and Rodgers and Manning have been the best QBs for the past 20 years - they understand where everything is on the field and the defense and know exactly where to attack. And why lots of other people who have amazing arms fail.Strykur said:QBs drafted in recent years who did not have lots of playing time in college have busted spectacularly, the ones who have played lots of games (Jayden Daniels, Justin Herbert, Bo Nix, Jalen Hurts), have done much better. CJ Stroud has been the interesting outlier.MilleniaBear said:
He has a good chance. Shockingly the NFL is not good at rating QBs. Check out the last 4 or 5 drafts. Many busts or soon to be busts.
It is yet to be seen how good Mendoza is at this but he seems to be getting better each week, which is the sign of a good professional. I expect him to be a very good NFL QB eventually. He has the attitude and the aptitude to make it work. I think if he continues on this trajectory - just like JG did - he will get a really good payday and play a while in the NFL.
You guys have got to be kidding. NFL quarterbacks have elite level skills - speed, escapability, arm strength, accuracy, size and decision making. To say that its "less about the running, the gun arm, or even prototypical size in the pocket" is absolute nonsense. There are countless first-round quarterbacks that have been selected in the first round solely on physical potential. I love Nando, but his NFL measurables and skills are ALL below average. Well below average in most cases. Relative to a starting qb in the NFL, Nando is slow with very poor escape-ability and terrible pocket "feel." He has below average arm strength, suspect accuracy and physically frail when compared to an NFL QB. He has show himself to be a very poor decisionmaker and has come up small in every one of our important games/drives this year. Virtually every game we have lost this year has come down to our offence making good on a critical drive - yet he has never done it. He is the 58th rated college quarterback as of today (argue with the metric - but it is what it is).concordtom said:Oski87 said:QB right now is much more about processing speed and toughness and much less about ability to throw and run. Of course you have to run and throw - and having a great arm and learning accuracy is super important. But playing and figuring out the game and understanding defenses is much more important. That is why Brady and Mahomes and Rodgers and Manning have been the best QBs for the past 20 years - they understand where everything is on the field and the defense and know exactly where to attack. And why lots of other people who have amazing arms fail.Strykur said:QBs drafted in recent years who did not have lots of playing time in college have busted spectacularly, the ones who have played lots of games (Jayden Daniels, Justin Herbert, Bo Nix, Jalen Hurts), have done much better. CJ Stroud has been the interesting outlier.MilleniaBear said:
He has a good chance. Shockingly the NFL is not good at rating QBs. Check out the last 4 or 5 drafts. Many busts or soon to be busts.
It is yet to be seen how good Mendoza is at this but he seems to be getting better each week, which is the sign of a good professional. I expect him to be a very good NFL QB eventually. He has the attitude and the aptitude to make it work. I think if he continues on this trajectory - just like JG did - he will get a really good payday and play a while in the NFL.
This is exactly what I was thinking.
It's less about the running, the gun arm, or even prototypical size in the pocket as it is knowing what's what pre snap and the first second after snap.
Mendoza "looks" well enough the part to me. But I have no idea about his mental processing. So, we'll see!
MathTeacherMike said:You guys have got to be kidding. NFL quarterbacks have elite level skills - speed, escapability, arm strength, accuracy, size and decision making. To say that its "less about the running, the gun arm, or even prototypical size in the pocket" is absolute nonsense. There are countless first-round quarterbacks that have been selected in the first round solely on physical potential. I love Nando, but his NFL measurables and skills are ALL below average. Well below average in most cases. Relative to a starting qb in the NFL, Nando is slow with very poor escape-ability and terrible pocket "feel." He has below average arm strength, suspect accuracy and physically frail when compared to an NFL QB. He has show himself to be a very poor decisionmaker and has come up small in every one of our important games/drives this year. Virtually every game we have lost this year has come down to our offence making good on a critical drive - yet he has never done it. He is the 58th rated college quarterback as of today (argue with the metric - but it is what it is).concordtom said:Oski87 said:QB right now is much more about processing speed and toughness and much less about ability to throw and run. Of course you have to run and throw - and having a great arm and learning accuracy is super important. But playing and figuring out the game and understanding defenses is much more important. That is why Brady and Mahomes and Rodgers and Manning have been the best QBs for the past 20 years - they understand where everything is on the field and the defense and know exactly where to attack. And why lots of other people who have amazing arms fail.Strykur said:QBs drafted in recent years who did not have lots of playing time in college have busted spectacularly, the ones who have played lots of games (Jayden Daniels, Justin Herbert, Bo Nix, Jalen Hurts), have done much better. CJ Stroud has been the interesting outlier.MilleniaBear said:
He has a good chance. Shockingly the NFL is not good at rating QBs. Check out the last 4 or 5 drafts. Many busts or soon to be busts.
It is yet to be seen how good Mendoza is at this but he seems to be getting better each week, which is the sign of a good professional. I expect him to be a very good NFL QB eventually. He has the attitude and the aptitude to make it work. I think if he continues on this trajectory - just like JG did - he will get a really good payday and play a while in the NFL.
This is exactly what I was thinking.
It's less about the running, the gun arm, or even prototypical size in the pocket as it is knowing what's what pre snap and the first second after snap.
Mendoza "looks" well enough the part to me. But I have no idea about his mental processing. So, we'll see!
Nando looks to be a good kid, and the best we got, so I'll always be a fan of his. But to look at him and see a NFL level quarterback is delusional. Average college qb at best.
calumnus said:MathTeacherMike said:You guys have got to be kidding. NFL quarterbacks have elite level skills - speed, escapability, arm strength, accuracy, size and decision making. To say that its "less about the running, the gun arm, or even prototypical size in the pocket" is absolute nonsense. There are countless first-round quarterbacks that have been selected in the first round solely on physical potential. I love Nando, but his NFL measurables and skills are ALL below average. Well below average in most cases. Relative to a starting qb in the NFL, Nando is slow with very poor escape-ability and terrible pocket "feel." He has below average arm strength, suspect accuracy and physically frail when compared to an NFL QB. He has show himself to be a very poor decisionmaker and has come up small in every one of our important games/drives this year. Virtually every game we have lost this year has come down to our offence making good on a critical drive - yet he has never done it. He is the 58th rated college quarterback as of today (argue with the metric - but it is what it is).concordtom said:Oski87 said:QB right now is much more about processing speed and toughness and much less about ability to throw and run. Of course you have to run and throw - and having a great arm and learning accuracy is super important. But playing and figuring out the game and understanding defenses is much more important. That is why Brady and Mahomes and Rodgers and Manning have been the best QBs for the past 20 years - they understand where everything is on the field and the defense and know exactly where to attack. And why lots of other people who have amazing arms fail.Strykur said:QBs drafted in recent years who did not have lots of playing time in college have busted spectacularly, the ones who have played lots of games (Jayden Daniels, Justin Herbert, Bo Nix, Jalen Hurts), have done much better. CJ Stroud has been the interesting outlier.MilleniaBear said:
He has a good chance. Shockingly the NFL is not good at rating QBs. Check out the last 4 or 5 drafts. Many busts or soon to be busts.
It is yet to be seen how good Mendoza is at this but he seems to be getting better each week, which is the sign of a good professional. I expect him to be a very good NFL QB eventually. He has the attitude and the aptitude to make it work. I think if he continues on this trajectory - just like JG did - he will get a really good payday and play a while in the NFL.
This is exactly what I was thinking.
It's less about the running, the gun arm, or even prototypical size in the pocket as it is knowing what's what pre snap and the first second after snap.
Mendoza "looks" well enough the part to me. But I have no idea about his mental processing. So, we'll see!
Nando looks to be a good kid, and the best we got, so I'll always be a fan of his. But to look at him and see a NFL level quarterback is delusional. Average college qb at best.
I think the chances you are right are greater than 90%, approaching 100%, but I would never write off anyone's dream and potential to improve if they show they are putting in the effort to learn and improve (what I haven't seen from Wilcox in his 8 years).
Fernando has already shown tremendous improvement from last year. He is no longer a turnover machine, in fact he is now the opposite (well until Syracuse). Many of the weaknesses you accurately cite (and more): his strength, his pocket awareness, his staring down primary receivers, his touch on short passes… all these things can be improved over the next two years. Many come with experience. Tom Brady evolved into a better QB than he was in college.
Moreover, in 4 of our 5 losses the issue was not that Fernando "couldn't" lead us to victory, the issue was that Fernando was already leading us to victory and the coaches took it out of his hands, running up the middle and playing for FGs.
Again, you are probably right, I agree with your present assessment but I would never write the kid off. But I also disagreed with the many fans who wrote off Sam Jackson last year after only 3 college starts and three wins. I see potential in Fernando and I am rooting for him. I also really hope we still land Sagapolutele. That kid is a stud.
oski003 said:calumnus said:MathTeacherMike said:You guys have got to be kidding. NFL quarterbacks have elite level skills - speed, escapability, arm strength, accuracy, size and decision making. To say that its "less about the running, the gun arm, or even prototypical size in the pocket" is absolute nonsense. There are countless first-round quarterbacks that have been selected in the first round solely on physical potential. I love Nando, but his NFL measurables and skills are ALL below average. Well below average in most cases. Relative to a starting qb in the NFL, Nando is slow with very poor escape-ability and terrible pocket "feel." He has below average arm strength, suspect accuracy and physically frail when compared to an NFL QB. He has show himself to be a very poor decisionmaker and has come up small in every one of our important games/drives this year. Virtually every game we have lost this year has come down to our offence making good on a critical drive - yet he has never done it. He is the 58th rated college quarterback as of today (argue with the metric - but it is what it is).concordtom said:Oski87 said:QB right now is much more about processing speed and toughness and much less about ability to throw and run. Of course you have to run and throw - and having a great arm and learning accuracy is super important. But playing and figuring out the game and understanding defenses is much more important. That is why Brady and Mahomes and Rodgers and Manning have been the best QBs for the past 20 years - they understand where everything is on the field and the defense and know exactly where to attack. And why lots of other people who have amazing arms fail.Strykur said:QBs drafted in recent years who did not have lots of playing time in college have busted spectacularly, the ones who have played lots of games (Jayden Daniels, Justin Herbert, Bo Nix, Jalen Hurts), have done much better. CJ Stroud has been the interesting outlier.MilleniaBear said:
He has a good chance. Shockingly the NFL is not good at rating QBs. Check out the last 4 or 5 drafts. Many busts or soon to be busts.
It is yet to be seen how good Mendoza is at this but he seems to be getting better each week, which is the sign of a good professional. I expect him to be a very good NFL QB eventually. He has the attitude and the aptitude to make it work. I think if he continues on this trajectory - just like JG did - he will get a really good payday and play a while in the NFL.
This is exactly what I was thinking.
It's less about the running, the gun arm, or even prototypical size in the pocket as it is knowing what's what pre snap and the first second after snap.
Mendoza "looks" well enough the part to me. But I have no idea about his mental processing. So, we'll see!
Nando looks to be a good kid, and the best we got, so I'll always be a fan of his. But to look at him and see a NFL level quarterback is delusional. Average college qb at best.
I think the chances you are right are greater than 90%, approaching 100%, but I would never write off anyone's dream and potential to improve if they show they are putting in the effort to learn and improve (what I haven't seen from Wilcox in his 8 years).
Fernando has already shown tremendous improvement from last year. He is no longer a turnover machine, in fact he is now the opposite (well until Syracuse). Many of the weaknesses you accurately cite (and more): his strength, his pocket awareness, his staring down primary receivers, his touch on short passes… all these things can be improved over the next two years. Many come with experience. Tom Brady evolved into a better QB than he was in college.
Moreover, in 4 of our 5 losses the issue was not that Fernando "couldn't" lead us to victory, the issue was that Fernando was already leading us to victory and the coaches took it out of his hands, running up the middle and playing for FGs.
Again, you are probably right, I agree with your present assessment but I would never write the kid off. But I also disagreed with the many fans who wrote off Sam Jackson last year after only 3 college starts and three wins. I see potential in Fernando and I am rooting for him. I also really hope we still land Sagapolutele. That kid is a stud.
Unfortunately, Nando came up short. You can argue that bad coaching put us in a position where the game got close enough that Nando has to make a play, but he did not when we really needed it. He is improving and may be really good next year as, overall, he is still doing a good job.
calumnus said:oski003 said:calumnus said:MathTeacherMike said:You guys have got to be kidding. NFL quarterbacks have elite level skills - speed, escapability, arm strength, accuracy, size and decision making. To say that its "less about the running, the gun arm, or even prototypical size in the pocket" is absolute nonsense. There are countless first-round quarterbacks that have been selected in the first round solely on physical potential. I love Nando, but his NFL measurables and skills are ALL below average. Well below average in most cases. Relative to a starting qb in the NFL, Nando is slow with very poor escape-ability and terrible pocket "feel." He has below average arm strength, suspect accuracy and physically frail when compared to an NFL QB. He has show himself to be a very poor decisionmaker and has come up small in every one of our important games/drives this year. Virtually every game we have lost this year has come down to our offence making good on a critical drive - yet he has never done it. He is the 58th rated college quarterback as of today (argue with the metric - but it is what it is).concordtom said:Oski87 said:QB right now is much more about processing speed and toughness and much less about ability to throw and run. Of course you have to run and throw - and having a great arm and learning accuracy is super important. But playing and figuring out the game and understanding defenses is much more important. That is why Brady and Mahomes and Rodgers and Manning have been the best QBs for the past 20 years - they understand where everything is on the field and the defense and know exactly where to attack. And why lots of other people who have amazing arms fail.Strykur said:QBs drafted in recent years who did not have lots of playing time in college have busted spectacularly, the ones who have played lots of games (Jayden Daniels, Justin Herbert, Bo Nix, Jalen Hurts), have done much better. CJ Stroud has been the interesting outlier.MilleniaBear said:
He has a good chance. Shockingly the NFL is not good at rating QBs. Check out the last 4 or 5 drafts. Many busts or soon to be busts.
It is yet to be seen how good Mendoza is at this but he seems to be getting better each week, which is the sign of a good professional. I expect him to be a very good NFL QB eventually. He has the attitude and the aptitude to make it work. I think if he continues on this trajectory - just like JG did - he will get a really good payday and play a while in the NFL.
This is exactly what I was thinking.
It's less about the running, the gun arm, or even prototypical size in the pocket as it is knowing what's what pre snap and the first second after snap.
Mendoza "looks" well enough the part to me. But I have no idea about his mental processing. So, we'll see!
Nando looks to be a good kid, and the best we got, so I'll always be a fan of his. But to look at him and see a NFL level quarterback is delusional. Average college qb at best.
I think the chances you are right are greater than 90%, approaching 100%, but I would never write off anyone's dream and potential to improve if they show they are putting in the effort to learn and improve (what I haven't seen from Wilcox in his 8 years).
Fernando has already shown tremendous improvement from last year. He is no longer a turnover machine, in fact he is now the opposite (well until Syracuse). Many of the weaknesses you accurately cite (and more): his strength, his pocket awareness, his staring down primary receivers, his touch on short passes… all these things can be improved over the next two years. Many come with experience. Tom Brady evolved into a better QB than he was in college.
Moreover, in 4 of our 5 losses the issue was not that Fernando "couldn't" lead us to victory, the issue was that Fernando was already leading us to victory and the coaches took it out of his hands, running up the middle and playing for FGs.
Again, you are probably right, I agree with your present assessment but I would never write the kid off. But I also disagreed with the many fans who wrote off Sam Jackson last year after only 3 college starts and three wins. I see potential in Fernando and I am rooting for him. I also really hope we still land Sagapolutele. That kid is a stud.
Unfortunately, Nando came up short. You can argue that bad coaching put us in a position where the game got close enough that Nando has to make a play, but he did not when we really needed it. He is improving and may be really good next year as, overall, he is still doing a good job.
Moreso last year. I think the only game he really came up short this year was Syracuse. What you would really like to see is him leading the team on a two minute drive to win the game. The final drives against Syracuse, with the team burning clock huddling, running up the middle, playing for FGs but also Nando taking sacks instead of throwing the ball away, give plenty of evidence for both arguments. Nando is not there yet, and he may never be, but the coaches are not putting the team in a position to succeed either and Nando is not good enough to overcome that.
Without a better line and better OC he can't showcase much because he holds the ball too long and doesn't have tons of physical talent. I don't remember exactly how Goff looked at Cal but it seems like he may just have looked slightly better than Mendoza with the current Cal team and coaches.GoOskie said:
I don't know about NFL caliber, but with a decent OL and another year or two under his belt, and with good coaching, I think he becomes a solid college QB.
He already is a solid college QB. If you can complete 68% at 7.7 YPA with this sorry ass pass blocking, a lot of teams would love to have you.GoOskie said:
I don't know about NFL caliber, but with a decent OL and another year or two under his belt, and with good coaching, I think he becomes a solid college QB.
82gradDLSdad said:Without a better line and better OC he can't showcase much because he holds the ball too long and doesn't have tons of physical talent. I don't remember exactly how Goff looked at Cal but it seems like he may just have looked slightly better than Mendoza with the current Cal team and coaches.GoOskie said:
I don't know about NFL caliber, but with a decent OL and another year or two under his belt, and with good coaching, I think he becomes a solid college QB.
Cooper Rush was a tackling dummy tonight for Dallas of all franchises, so yeah he will start somewhere.ducktilldeath said:
He would appear to me to have what it takes to have some cups of coffee in the league, and then who knows what happens?
Yah, I think in an Air Raid with a decent coach he would look great. Pro is different. I think most QBs in the pros are a crapshoot. I think he has a questionable pro arm (but so does Purdy), he's got questionable pro speed (escapablity) but he's not alone in that, and he has questionable pocket awareness. I think he's a 50-50 pro pick. Once again though, I think a lot of colleges would love to have him and I haven't even seen most of those guys.calumnus said:82gradDLSdad said:Without a better line and better OC he can't showcase much because he holds the ball too long and doesn't have tons of physical talent. I don't remember exactly how Goff looked at Cal but it seems like he may just have looked slightly better than Mendoza with the current Cal team and coaches.GoOskie said:
I don't know about NFL caliber, but with a decent OL and another year or two under his belt, and with good coaching, I think he becomes a solid college QB.
People were far more critical of Goff his first year, saying he had "small hands" and pining for board favorite Kline, or Hinder. Even over the next few years many here thought he was a product of Dykes' "gimmicky" offense and wouldn't succeed in "pro style" offenses in the NFL.
I do think Mendoza is best suited to an Air Raid passing offense. He is at least as good as "statue" Sonny Cumbie who Leach and Dykes used to carve up our great 2004 team in the Holiday Bowl.
82gradDLSdad said:Yah, I think in an Air Raid with a decent coach he would look great. Pro is different. I think most QBs in the pros are a crapshoot. I think he has a questionable pro arm (but so does Purdy), he's got questionable pro speed (escapablity) but he's not alone in that, and he has questionable pocket awareness. I think he's a 50-50 pro pick. Once again though, I think a lot of colleges would love to have him and I haven't even seen most of those guys.calumnus said:82gradDLSdad said:Without a better line and better OC he can't showcase much because he holds the ball too long and doesn't have tons of physical talent. I don't remember exactly how Goff looked at Cal but it seems like he may just have looked slightly better than Mendoza with the current Cal team and coaches.GoOskie said:
I don't know about NFL caliber, but with a decent OL and another year or two under his belt, and with good coaching, I think he becomes a solid college QB.
People were far more critical of Goff his first year, saying he had "small hands" and pining for board favorite Kline, or Hinder. Even over the next few years many here thought he was a product of Dykes' "gimmicky" offense and wouldn't succeed in "pro style" offenses in the NFL.
I do think Mendoza is best suited to an Air Raid passing offense. He is at least as good as "statue" Sonny Cumbie who Leach and Dykes used to carve up our great 2004 team in the Holiday Bowl.
