clearly difficult how you could justify not making a change at this point based on results and continued inability to recruit. This team might have one win without the qb. If JKS weren't on the team, this would be a very simple decision. You could argue he's the most leverage we've had from a recruiting narrative standpoint in years. If you knew that Wilcox getting one more year guaranteed one more year of JKS would you still fire him? Or would you rather take the risk of him leaving and start from complete scratch? all of this pointing to in the direction of what's wild about today's college football in that an 18 yo who's played 8 games is the most powerful person in the entire program right now lol

Yea all I'm pointing to is the difference in this team with a couple real receivers and a back who have some explosiveness. You actually have a chance to recruit those types of guys we need if 3 is the quarterback

So the short term strategy might look like hiring rolovich to keep 3 and then prioritizing some assistant hires who can recruit ? That seems more pragmatic than assuming you can replicate a cignetti strategy or find an nfl guy who wants to coach in college. Saleh would be really fun but doubt he'd be interested

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Saleh would be really fun but doubt he'd be interested

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You really think a guy who is a highly regarded NFL defensive coordinator and who has prior NFL head jobs (and will have offers) would want to come here, come on dude

obviously - which is why I said I doubt it

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This won't matter if Wilcox is tossed and Rolovich immediately given the job

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Does anybody know what kind of relationship RR has with Rolovich? And also with Harsin? Are they close? Have they known each other a while.

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Strykur said:

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This won't matter if Wilcox is tossed and Rolovich immediately given the job

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Does anybody know what kind of relationship RR has with Rolovich? And also with Harsin? Are they close? Have they known each other a while.

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Why would they have known each other before this year? Only reason I can think of is if Rivera were looking at drafting an Auburn, Boise, WSU or Hawaii player while they were there.

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Not that I know JKS, but he gives those Marcus Mariota vibes. He wants to be at CAL. When he leaves for more money it will be as the #1 pick in the NFL draft.

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I think so too, all things being equal. He loves the school. His parents want him here. Kind of like Ott after leading the Pac-12 in rushing.
Doesn't mean we can't be so bad in football or make a coaching move that pushes him away despite his love for the school.

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ducktilldeath said:

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Not that I know JKS, but he gives those Marcus Mariota vibes. He wants to be at CAL. When he leaves for more money it will be as the #1 pick in the NFL draft.

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I think so too, all things being equal. He loves the school. His parents want him here. Kind of like Ott after leading the Pac-12 in rushing.
Doesn't mean we can't be so bad in football or make a coaching move that pushes him away despite his love for the school.

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I'm not saying that he doesn't, but what is the indication that he loves the school? I've heard that about a lot of players in the past that didn't seem to pan out

$ is(are?) important. With today's BIG $, it(they?) is(are?) possibly the major consideration. Handled correctly, some of these players could be set for life before they can legally drink.

Not a bad position to be in.

Why would JKS stay? I hope he does, but objectively he could go to a better program with more talent and compete at a higher level. Mendoza certainly benefitted from moving on.

He may love Cal, but is this really the place for him to play if he has NFL aspirations? I assume as much as his parents want him to be here, they also want him to avoid injuries and have the best shot to realize his dream of being an NFL QB.

Someday I hope we're the end destination for a guy like that, but right now we're a waypoint where a young QB can get reps before moving on to a higher-quality program.

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Why would JKS stay? I hope he does, but objectively he could go to a better program with more talent and compete at a higher level. Mendoza certainly benefitted from moving on.

He may love Cal, but is this really the place for him to play if he has NFL aspirations? I assume as much as his parents want him to be here, they also want him to avoid injuries and have the best shot to realize his dream of being an NFL QB.

Someday I hope we're the end destination for a guy like that, but right now we're a waypoint where a young QB can get reps before moving on to a higher-quality program.

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JKS has the job and will have the job as long as he stays here, even Mendoza did not have that guarantee with JSK coming, that's the difference

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JKS isn't going to be here for more than 2 more years at best. The program needs to be strong for longer than that. Losing Wilcox and resetting with a fresh new coach who can win consistently is way more important than pulling out all the stops to keep one player.

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Agree. Also, what gives us better ROI:

exceptional QB with bad o-line or a "good" QB with a good o-line?

We gotta max NIL the lines before the QB.

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Haleiwabear said:

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Saleh would be really fun but doubt he'd be interested

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You really think a guy who is a highly regarded NFL defensive coordinator and who has prior NFL head jobs (and will have offers) would want to come here, come on dude

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Oh where, oh where could we ever find a guy who was a highly regarded NFL defensive coordinator, who has prior NFL head jobs and actually wants to be at Cal? Hell, we might as well go full fantasy-land and want him to know and love Cal!

Sorry, but no such human being can be found anywhere on Earth.

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What's going to keep JKS here, besides competitive NIL, is if he thinks we are making substantial improvements to his supporting cast, especially his receivers.

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JKS is guaranteed to start here almost no matter what. He already has the goodwill here and if he struggles at any point coaches and fans will let him ride it out. That is what should make him stay. He is going to have a hard time finding that at another program that is appreciably better than us next year. IMO, he should stick with Cal and develop another year. If he develops the way we all think he should, he will have top programs handing him a job. At that point it would really help if we have that supporting cast and offensive scheme that he feels could display his talents to the fullest.

I don't want to lose JKS but keeping him at the cost of a being a middling football program doesn't seem like a wise move if Cal wishes it's future endeavors lead to playing conference members closer to the Bay Area. (Well unless the goal is the current Pac-12.)

By the way, I think the current OC has been a good influence on JKS' development but its difficult to really make a judgement with only 1 short off season to go off of.

MinotStateBeav said:

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I don't want to lose JKS but keeping him at the cost of a being a middling football program doesn't seem like a wise move if Cal wishes it's future endeavors lead to playing conference members closer to the Bay Area. (Well unless the goal is the current Pac-12.)

By the way, I think the current OC has been a good influence on JKS' development but its difficult to really make a judgement with only 1 short off season to go off of.

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I'm expecting Jaron to portal out after this year. He has NFL aspirations; the current coaching staff will not get him there, neither will a receiving corps that suffers from the dropsies. I fully expect the blueblood schools to make hard runs at him to sign with them and to not only hand him the keys to their starting QB position, but also to a house, car, and safe deposit box filled with cash.

Jaron has very little reason to stay at Cal beyond this year. The best anyone has been able to argue why he would stay is that (1) his parents want him here and (2) he loves Cal. Jaron's parents can probably be persuaded that another school is a better fir for their son if (1) that school gives him a bagful of money (with or without a boat) and (2) Jaron's love of Cal could be negated by going to a school that has coaches that can help him get drafted into the NFL as a #1 pick.*

If I were advising Jaron, I'd tell him to go somewhere where the coaches can make him NFL-ready and put a team around him that will help him shine. Wilsux isn't it. As much as I love Cal and want to see Cal do well, I also understand that Cal would be holding back Jaron's development, especially if Wilsux is still at the helm next year.


*There's absolutely no legitimate argument that can be made that Wilsux and company can do this.

01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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I don't want to lose JKS but keeping him at the cost of a being a middling football program doesn't seem like a wise move if Cal wishes it's future endeavors lead to playing conference members closer to the Bay Area. (Well unless the goal is the current Pac-12.)

By the way, I think the current OC has been a good influence on JKS' development but its difficult to really make a judgement with only 1 short off season to go off of.

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I'm expecting Jaron to portal out after this year. He has NFL aspirations; the current coaching staff will not get him there, neither will a receiving corps that suffers from the dropsies. I fully expect the blueblood schools to make hard runs at him to sign with them and to not only hand him the keys to their starting QB position, but also to a house, car, and safe deposit box filled with cash.

Jaron has very little reason to stay at Cal beyond this year. The best anyone has been able to argue why he would stay is that (1) his parents want him here and (2) he loves Cal. Jaron's parents can probably be persuaded that another school is a better fir for their son if (1) that school gives him a bagful of money (with or without a boat) and (2) Jaron's love of Cal could be negated by going to a school that has coaches that can help him get drafted into the NFL as a #1 pick.*

If I were advising Jaron, I'd tell him to go somewhere where the coaches can make him NFL-ready and put a team around him that will help him shine. Wilsux isn't it. As much as I love Cal and want to see Cal do well, I also understand that Cal would be holding back Jaron's development, especially if Wilsux is still at the helm next year.


*There's absolutely no legitimate argument that can be made that Wilsux and company can do this.

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The argument has also been advanced that at Cal he is pretty much guaranteed to get playing time and at a blue blood program he would not have that guarantee. I think there is validity to that. Add in that it's a great academic school and his parents are happy with him here, and I can see a good argument for staying one more year.

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Big C said:

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Strykur said:

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Haleiwabear said:

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Saleh would be really fun but doubt he'd be interested

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You really think a guy who is a highly regarded NFL defensive coordinator and who has prior NFL head jobs (and will have offers) would want to come here, come on dude

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Oh where, oh where could we ever find a guy who was a highly regarded NFL defensive coordinator, who has prior NFL head jobs and actually wants to be at Cal? Hell, we might as well go full fantasy-land and want him to know and love Cal!

Sorry, but no such human being can be found anywhere on Earth.

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I have been a huge jagoff around here lately yet I am really annoyed with the more asinine elements of our fan base, just a mention of any NFL coach as a potential candidate is crap I would expect on SEC message boards but not on here, and Ron so far has been a nothing-burger

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You cannot dismiss Ron as Head Coach because he has been a "nothing burger" so far as "GM."

First, Ron was hired while Knowlton was still AD and after Spring Ball and the Spring Portal, with his GM duties not clearly defined, so he had zero impact on who the staff or players would be, including the extra money we are spending on Rolovich and Gregory as advisors. Ron was not "given the keys" until June (?) after outcry from the fans and key donors like Sebasta with Knowlton's departure announced shortly thereafter. Some might say Ron helped push Knowlton out, but since we paid out Knowlton's contract that was something Lyons could have done a year earlier. Ron's main role so far as GM has been as a fundraiser, advisor and "evaluator." A waste of his talent and fame IMO.

I don't know how good Ron would be as head coach, no one does. However, given our financial situation (we don't have the media revenues other P4 schools have to spend $20 million of our media money on NIL under House and we will be still paying Wilcox for the next two years of his contract) and the need to stay competitive in NIL with donor dollars, we really need to go moneyball on our coaching staff, at least for the next two years.

I only see two options:

1) Ron hires an up and coming HC from G6 or even FCS or a top OC who will accept a low initial contract with incentives and escalators if he is retained beyond 2027. Then Ron mentors him as GM.

2) Ron takes on the role of HC, but with a low initial contract and goes out and hires a top OC who he would mentor as his eventual successor at HC.

I would be happy with either (depending on who we get under scenario 1). The reason I have a relative preference for #2 (assuming Ron is open to it of course, so everyone hold your objections on that point) is I think Ron's personality is great as a head coach: coaches and players respect him and his credentials. He has gravitas. I also think he would be a great recruiter. He loves Cal and can sell Cal. He was an All American at Cal. He played in the NFL and coached in the NFL, knows all the coaches and GMs and can very credibly tell recruits he will help them get to the NFL. He is the best guy we have to be the face of Cal football over the next few years. I also think we are wasting that potential with him as GM and think he is not well suited for the GM role (his demand that fans support the program is a perfect example of that: head coaches make demands from their assistants and the players, GMs figure out how to attract fans to the games).

Now, I could definitely prefer #1 (dynamic, charismatic young new offensive minded coach) over #2 (Ron) but that is entirely dependent on who we get. However, Ron as HC should not be dismissed as on option unless Ron dismisses it.

Ron should definitely be high on the coaching list if that's what he wants to get into, he may be happy being GM.

If / when Wilcox is fired and his staff disbanded, I also expect all the players we would want to stay, will not. That's just the way it will be. It will be an *entirely* new team. And maybe that won't be a bad thing.

MinotStateBeav said:

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Ron should definitely be high on the coaching list if that's what he wants to get into, he may be happy being GM.

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100% and Ron gets to make that decision but as fans I think it would be good to let it be known we would be happy with him as head coach. Public outcry (and Sebasta's pressure) to "Give Ron the keys" was instrumental in giving him more power as GM (rather than Ron demanding it from Lyons coming in). He may want to be Head Coach but is reluctant to essentially hire himself. Thus, I think "popular support" for Ron as Head Coach may be needed for that to happen. JMO

sycasey said:

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01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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I don't want to lose JKS but keeping him at the cost of a being a middling football program doesn't seem like a wise move if Cal wishes it's future endeavors lead to playing conference members closer to the Bay Area. (Well unless the goal is the current Pac-12.)

By the way, I think the current OC has been a good influence on JKS' development but its difficult to really make a judgement with only 1 short off season to go off of.

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I'm expecting Jaron to portal out after this year. He has NFL aspirations; the current coaching staff will not get him there, neither will a receiving corps that suffers from the dropsies. I fully expect the blueblood schools to make hard runs at him to sign with them and to not only hand him the keys to their starting QB position, but also to a house, car, and safe deposit box filled with cash.

Jaron has very little reason to stay at Cal beyond this year. The best anyone has been able to argue why he would stay is that (1) his parents want him here and (2) he loves Cal. Jaron's parents can probably be persuaded that another school is a better fir for their son if (1) that school gives him a bagful of money (with or without a boat) and (2) Jaron's love of Cal could be negated by going to a school that has coaches that can help him get drafted into the NFL as a #1 pick.*

If I were advising Jaron, I'd tell him to go somewhere where the coaches can make him NFL-ready and put a team around him that will help him shine. Wilsux isn't it. As much as I love Cal and want to see Cal do well, I also understand that Cal would be holding back Jaron's development, especially if Wilsux is still at the helm next year.


*There's absolutely no legitimate argument that can be made that Wilsux and company can do this.

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The argument has also been advanced that at Cal he is pretty much guaranteed to get playing time and at a blue blood program he would not have that guarantee. I think there is validity to that. Add in that it's a great academic school and his parents are happy with him here, and I can see a good argument for staying one more year.

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Are you unaware of the Heismendoza mania? If I'm a blueblood I see what Cal did with Nando and then look at his success at IU one year later; I then take a look at what Cal's done with Jaron and can come up with a good idea of what kind of QB the latter would be with a competent coaching staff. That all but guarantees that Jaron would pretty much start for any team next year. Just based on the wye test, Jaron is about where Nando was last year (or maybe even a little ahead of Nando). The primary reason his completion rate is so low is that his receivers keep dropping catches that they should be making. As for his freshman mistakes, those can be coached out by giving him competent coaches.

As for the great academic program and his parents lOve Cal arguments, all that pales when one considers that having a NFL career doesn't require going to a school with solid academics. Moreover, blue blood programs can throw enough life-changing (generational wealth) money at Jaron immediately such that he wouldn't have to worry about money in his post-NFL life. I'd highly doubt his parents are blind to that and would insist that Jaron remain at Cal when he can make a fortune elsewhere, get better coaching, and end up better prepared for a career in the NFL.

Also, lest we forget, there are other schools with good academics among the bluebloods, including Michigan, Texas, and Notre Dame. While I tend to think Cal is better academically than all three of those schools, a degree from any of them wouldn't be something to sneeze at.

01Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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I don't want to lose JKS but keeping him at the cost of a being a middling football program doesn't seem like a wise move if Cal wishes it's future endeavors lead to playing conference members closer to the Bay Area. (Well unless the goal is the current Pac-12.)

By the way, I think the current OC has been a good influence on JKS' development but its difficult to really make a judgement with only 1 short off season to go off of.

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I'm expecting Jaron to portal out after this year. He has NFL aspirations; the current coaching staff will not get him there, neither will a receiving corps that suffers from the dropsies. I fully expect the blueblood schools to make hard runs at him to sign with them and to not only hand him the keys to their starting QB position, but also to a house, car, and safe deposit box filled with cash.

Jaron has very little reason to stay at Cal beyond this year. The best anyone has been able to argue why he would stay is that (1) his parents want him here and (2) he loves Cal. Jaron's parents can probably be persuaded that another school is a better fir for their son if (1) that school gives him a bagful of money (with or without a boat) and (2) Jaron's love of Cal could be negated by going to a school that has coaches that can help him get drafted into the NFL as a #1 pick.*

If I were advising Jaron, I'd tell him to go somewhere where the coaches can make him NFL-ready and put a team around him that will help him shine. Wilsux isn't it. As much as I love Cal and want to see Cal do well, I also understand that Cal would be holding back Jaron's development, especially if Wilsux is still at the helm next year.


*There's absolutely no legitimate argument that can be made that Wilsux and company can do this.

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The argument has also been advanced that at Cal he is pretty much guaranteed to get playing time and at a blue blood program he would not have that guarantee. I think there is validity to that. Add in that it's a great academic school and his parents are happy with him here, and I can see a good argument for staying one more year.

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Are you unaware of the Heismendoza mania? If I'm a blueblood I see what Cal did with Nando and then look at his success at IU one year later; I then take a look at what Cal's done with Jaron and can come up with a good idea of what kind of QB the latter would be with a competent coaching staff. That all but guarantees that Jaron would pretty much start for any team next year. Just based on the wye test, Jaron is about where Nando was last year (or maybe even a little ahead of Nando). The primary reason his completion rate is so low is that his receivers keep dropping catches that they should be making. As for his freshman mistakes, those can be coached out by giving him competent coaches.

As for the great academic program and his parents lOve Cal arguments, all that pales when one considers that having a NFL career doesn't require going to a school with solid academics. Moreover, blue blood programs can throw enough life-changing (generational wealth) money at Jaron immediately such that he wouldn't have to worry about money in his post-NFL life. I'd highly doubt his parents are blind to that and would insist that Jaron remain at Cal when he can make a fortune elsewhere, get better coaching, and end up better prepared for a career in the NFL.

Also, lest we forget, there are other schools with good academics among the bluebloods, including Michigan, Texas, and Notre Dame. While I tend to think Cal is better academically than all three of those schools, a degree from any of them wouldn't be something to sneeze at.

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I don't think there's any argument that will convince you other than JKS showing up in a Cal uniform next season, so I will let it be. Just saying that I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. He could go or he could stay.

sycasey said:

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01Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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I don't want to lose JKS but keeping him at the cost of a being a middling football program doesn't seem like a wise move if Cal wishes it's future endeavors lead to playing conference members closer to the Bay Area. (Well unless the goal is the current Pac-12.)

By the way, I think the current OC has been a good influence on JKS' development but its difficult to really make a judgement with only 1 short off season to go off of.

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I'm expecting Jaron to portal out after this year. He has NFL aspirations; the current coaching staff will not get him there, neither will a receiving corps that suffers from the dropsies. I fully expect the blueblood schools to make hard runs at him to sign with them and to not only hand him the keys to their starting QB position, but also to a house, car, and safe deposit box filled with cash.

Jaron has very little reason to stay at Cal beyond this year. The best anyone has been able to argue why he would stay is that (1) his parents want him here and (2) he loves Cal. Jaron's parents can probably be persuaded that another school is a better fir for their son if (1) that school gives him a bagful of money (with or without a boat) and (2) Jaron's love of Cal could be negated by going to a school that has coaches that can help him get drafted into the NFL as a #1 pick.*

If I were advising Jaron, I'd tell him to go somewhere where the coaches can make him NFL-ready and put a team around him that will help him shine. Wilsux isn't it. As much as I love Cal and want to see Cal do well, I also understand that Cal would be holding back Jaron's development, especially if Wilsux is still at the helm next year.


*There's absolutely no legitimate argument that can be made that Wilsux and company can do this.

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The argument has also been advanced that at Cal he is pretty much guaranteed to get playing time and at a blue blood program he would not have that guarantee. I think there is validity to that. Add in that it's a great academic school and his parents are happy with him here, and I can see a good argument for staying one more year.

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Are you unaware of the Heismendoza mania? If I'm a blueblood I see what Cal did with Nando and then look at his success at IU one year later; I then take a look at what Cal's done with Jaron and can come up with a good idea of what kind of QB the latter would be with a competent coaching staff. That all but guarantees that Jaron would pretty much start for any team next year. Just based on the wye test, Jaron is about where Nando was last year (or maybe even a little ahead of Nando). The primary reason his completion rate is so low is that his receivers keep dropping catches that they should be making. As for his freshman mistakes, those can be coached out by giving him competent coaches.

As for the great academic program and his parents lOve Cal arguments, all that pales when one considers that having a NFL career doesn't require going to a school with solid academics. Moreover, blue blood programs can throw enough life-changing (generational wealth) money at Jaron immediately such that he wouldn't have to worry about money in his post-NFL life. I'd highly doubt his parents are blind to that and would insist that Jaron remain at Cal when he can make a fortune elsewhere, get better coaching, and end up better prepared for a career in the NFL.

Also, lest we forget, there are other schools with good academics among the bluebloods, including Michigan, Texas, and Notre Dame. While I tend to think Cal is better academically than all three of those schools, a degree from any of them wouldn't be something to sneeze at.

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I don't think there's any argument that will convince you other than JKS showing up in a Cal uniform next season, so I will let it be. Just saying that I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. He could go or he could stay.

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Take off your Cal fandom glasses and what would you honestly advise him to do? Portal to a better team or stay at Cal with Wilsux?

01Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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01Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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I don't want to lose JKS but keeping him at the cost of a being a middling football program doesn't seem like a wise move if Cal wishes it's future endeavors lead to playing conference members closer to the Bay Area. (Well unless the goal is the current Pac-12.)

By the way, I think the current OC has been a good influence on JKS' development but its difficult to really make a judgement with only 1 short off season to go off of.

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I'm expecting Jaron to portal out after this year. He has NFL aspirations; the current coaching staff will not get him there, neither will a receiving corps that suffers from the dropsies. I fully expect the blueblood schools to make hard runs at him to sign with them and to not only hand him the keys to their starting QB position, but also to a house, car, and safe deposit box filled with cash.

Jaron has very little reason to stay at Cal beyond this year. The best anyone has been able to argue why he would stay is that (1) his parents want him here and (2) he loves Cal. Jaron's parents can probably be persuaded that another school is a better fir for their son if (1) that school gives him a bagful of money (with or without a boat) and (2) Jaron's love of Cal could be negated by going to a school that has coaches that can help him get drafted into the NFL as a #1 pick.*

If I were advising Jaron, I'd tell him to go somewhere where the coaches can make him NFL-ready and put a team around him that will help him shine. Wilsux isn't it. As much as I love Cal and want to see Cal do well, I also understand that Cal would be holding back Jaron's development, especially if Wilsux is still at the helm next year.


*There's absolutely no legitimate argument that can be made that Wilsux and company can do this.

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The argument has also been advanced that at Cal he is pretty much guaranteed to get playing time and at a blue blood program he would not have that guarantee. I think there is validity to that. Add in that it's a great academic school and his parents are happy with him here, and I can see a good argument for staying one more year.

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Are you unaware of the Heismendoza mania? If I'm a blueblood I see what Cal did with Nando and then look at his success at IU one year later; I then take a look at what Cal's done with Jaron and can come up with a good idea of what kind of QB the latter would be with a competent coaching staff. That all but guarantees that Jaron would pretty much start for any team next year. Just based on the wye test, Jaron is about where Nando was last year (or maybe even a little ahead of Nando). The primary reason his completion rate is so low is that his receivers keep dropping catches that they should be making. As for his freshman mistakes, those can be coached out by giving him competent coaches.

As for the great academic program and his parents lOve Cal arguments, all that pales when one considers that having a NFL career doesn't require going to a school with solid academics. Moreover, blue blood programs can throw enough life-changing (generational wealth) money at Jaron immediately such that he wouldn't have to worry about money in his post-NFL life. I'd highly doubt his parents are blind to that and would insist that Jaron remain at Cal when he can make a fortune elsewhere, get better coaching, and end up better prepared for a career in the NFL.

Also, lest we forget, there are other schools with good academics among the bluebloods, including Michigan, Texas, and Notre Dame. While I tend to think Cal is better academically than all three of those schools, a degree from any of them wouldn't be something to sneeze at.

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I don't think there's any argument that will convince you other than JKS showing up in a Cal uniform next season, so I will let it be. Just saying that I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. He could go or he could stay.

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Take off your Cal fandom glasses and what would you honestly advise him to do? Portal to a better team or stay at Cal with Wilsux?

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There will be a third option, me thinks.