Throwing $500K/boat/car/house/whatever at someone like Tosh is so unprecented, it's not bold, it's desperate. Desperation doesn't inspire people.<br /><br />This will hurt Cal, no doubt. Any kid who wasn't solid is at risk. But, if you're McCarthy for example, do you really want to share a locker room with Tosh now? I'm only surprised McCarthy didn't bolt the Pac-12 to get completely away from this circus, but based on the timing he was probably halfway to Westwood already. I think the kids Cal loses, or doesn't get, are unlikely to end up at UW.

I agree, if we can keep Shaq (I hope his bro is working on him) we likely keep everyone else. Payton is still a maybe.<br /><br />Udub class was awful and was desperate, especially for recruits to play WR and the Dline, so Stark put all his chips on the table and landed T0$h.

Looking forward to the Cyler Miles announcement that he's going to Alabama as well.

There will be better WR play at Washington State.

UW's defense undoubtedly stands to improve based on coaching alone, but coaching comes second to talent and the Doogs have NONE. We're talking MAYBE one player who would start for Cal on D.<br /><br />Things may change, possibly starting these next two weeks... but any incoming talent will take a year or two to become experienced enough to build a respectable defense.<br /><br />Question is, will these big UW donors have the patience to endure a couple more 7 win seasons?

Patience doesn't beget throwing $500k/year around for a dline coach

We will have a better record than UW and we will only lose McCarthy and Payton. AA will come and so will Shaq. Need Shaq more than AA

I think this year is shot for them (and us) unless they pull off a total recruiting coup in the next 2 weeks.<br /><br />It'll be more curious to see how their recruiting is in year 2 and 3 of Tosh. Can he build those relationships that quickly?<br /><br />I don't think he has beyond year 3 to prove that he's worth the coin they are paying him.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">davetdds;682919 said:</div><hr>We will have a better record than UW and we will only lose McCarthy and Payton. AA will come and so will Shaq. Need Shaq more than AA<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I doubt we are getting any of those four at this point but it will still be a top 20 class and I am OK with that given current needs. We have a stud QB, OL, and WR coming. #wegotallweneed

No. UCLA is the big winner. UW is better off with a indefinitely struggling Cal that can occasionally take recruits here and there from UCLA. A demolished Cal(not that it's a fait accompli) will unleash all the top future Cal recruits(minus SC's take) to UCLA.

The way this played out...it almost seems like Sark isn't trying to gain Tosh, but destroy him. A kind of "if I can't have you, no body can!" type move. This definitely hurts Cal more than it helps Washington, and I still don't think Tosh will be able to sell as well at Washington as he was able to at Cal.<br /><br />Going after Kisseu as aggressively as he did too? That kind of reaffirms this attitude. Kind of sad really. I mean seriously...700-800k for Kisseu? Seriously? Not disrespecting him at all, I liked having him as a WR coach...but seriously?<br /><br />~MrGPAC

<blockquote><div class="name-said">maxer;682815 said:</div><hr>Looking forward to the Cyler Miles announcement that he's going to Alabama as well.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />wait is that a possibility?! it is rather strange that UW's two 4 star recruits are both QB.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">jabes;682811 said:</div><hr>Throwing $500K/boat/car/house/whatever at someone like Tosh is so unprecented, it's not bold, it's desperate. Desperation doesn't inspire people.<br /><br />This will hurt Cal, no doubt. Any kid who wasn't solid is at risk. But, if you're McCarthy for example, do you really want to share a locker room with Tosh now? I'm only surprised McCarthy didn't bolt the Pac-12 to get completely away from this circus, but based on the timing he was probably halfway to Westwood already. I think the kids Cal loses, or doesn't get, are unlikely to end up at UW.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You know, I was thinking the same thing and thought about posting this myself. UW's move does have a stench of desperation. Maybe in a year or two, the whole staff is blown up and Tosh is a casualty. I wonder if he tries to crawl back to us in that event.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">ColoradoBear1;683422 said:</div><hr>wait is that a possibility?! it is rather strange that UW's two 4 star recruits are both QB.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Yes. He's very close to the former UW OC who just took the OC job at Alabama, Doug Nussmeier.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MrGPAC;683394 said:</div><hr>The way this played out...it almost seems like Sark isn't trying to gain Tosh, but destroy him. A kind of "if I can't have you, no body can!" type move. This definitely hurts Cal more than it helps Washington, and I still don't think Tosh will be able to sell as well at Washington as he was able to at Cal.<br /><br />Going after Kisseu as aggressively as he did too? That kind of reaffirms this attitude. Kind of sad really. I mean seriously...700-800k for Kisseu? Seriously? Not disrespecting him at all, I liked having him as a WR coach...but seriously?<br /><br />~MrGPAC<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Interesting comments. <br /><br />They are consistent with my picture of Sark as "Dr. Evil".

The thing that recruits have to understand is that while this latest episode makes it seem like we are in a crisis, the fact of the matter is that we are stable with awesome new facilities, a remodeled stadium coming on line.<br /><br />Washington just changed out their defensive staff and the offensive coordinator just left. The whole program is in a state of flux.<br /><br />UCLA just blew out their entire staff. They still have the same crummy facilities and an off campus stadium.<br /><br />Once this cools down, hopefully the recruits will look at the big picture and see what we really have to offer and get back on board.

I really feel sorry for any Cal recruits that change their decision and commit to UDUB simply because of these coaching changes. We have just as good of a chance at winning the conference as UDUB & a Cal degree is far more prestigious.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">jabes;682811 said:</div><hr>Throwing $500K/boat/car/house/whatever at someone like Tosh is so unprecented, it's not bold, it's desperate. Desperation doesn't inspire people.<br /><br />This will hurt Cal, no doubt. Any kid who wasn't solid is at risk. But, if you're McCarthy for example, do you really want to share a locker room with Tosh now? I'm only surprised McCarthy didn't bolt the Pac-12 to get completely away from this circus, but based on the timing he was probably halfway to Westwood already. I think the kids Cal loses, or doesn't get, are unlikely to end up at UW.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />This is clearly a desperation move. And the sad thing is that Tosh might have committed career suicide by taking the money.<br /><br />Sark got a ton of flak for the bad loss to Baylor in the bowl game, and rumor has it that he's lost his better qB recruit to Alabama. While the fans hated Nick Holt the problem is more quality of player than anything else and especially the fact that UW looks like they will lose every 4* and better recruit in the state for the 3rd year in a row. Sark can't recruit Washington and he's mainly getting the players none of the other Pac-12 teams go after.<br /><br />But even if Tosh did flip a lot of recruits (unlikely as only 1-2 were even interested in UW and most don't have any visits left, so they'd have to come on relationship to Tosh only.) those recruits are probably 2-3 years away from being stars, and the supporting cast around them will still be one of the weaker in the conference. UW is a program that at best is holding, but looks to be in a decline (and faster than Cal is under Tedford).<br /><br />Sark is trying to save his job, and right now I don't think he did it. Oregon and Stanford are both better than UW, and Cal will likely be more improved next season than UW, so its possible that he'll finish 4th or worse in the division and no better than 6th in the conference. In UW that will get him fired, and no new head coach will want a mercenary coach like Tosh around.<br /><br />Tosh will end up without a job and find that no coach will take him. A good recruiter is one thing, but who wants a good recruiter who leaves in the night 2 weeks before signing day and then tries to flip recruits. He'll never be trusted by another head coach.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MrGPAC;683394 said:</div><hr>The way this played out...it almost seems like Sark isn't trying to gain Tosh, but destroy him. A kind of "if I can't have you, no body can!" type move. This definitely hurts Cal more than it helps Washington, and I still don't think Tosh will be able to sell as well at Washington as he was able to at Cal.<br /><br />Going after Kisseu as aggressively as he did too? That kind of reaffirms this attitude. Kind of sad really. I mean seriously...700-800k for Kisseu? Seriously? Not disrespecting him at all, I liked having him as a WR coach...but seriously?<br /><br />~MrGPAC<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Wasn't this the plot of Clooney's movie, "The Ide's of March"?