82gradDLSdad said:UrsaMajor said:
FWIW, latest rumor on BearDown--Rick Nueweasel is a candidate! Their Board is in full meltdown at that prospect.
As it should be. Not that Neuheisal wouldn't be an absolutely awesome hire for the cats. They'd be crazy to let him slip through their hands.
Baldwin had very little to work with this season, especially after the first few games. I want to see what he can do with Robertson, Watson, two or three good tight ends, etc.Uthaithani said:
I'm not freaking out either way on this one. I think he might be a better HC than OC and last season's offense is very easily replaceable, he didn't exactly work magic. It would be nice if he stuck around and could be HC at Cal when the time is right, but we'll be okay either way.
I'm a fan.sheki said:
would we consider Jedd Fisch if Baldwin left?
I don't think is very fair. We knowingly hired an a total up & comer as an OC. This was always going to be the case and I'm sure JW knew it the day he hired him. Our assistant coach retention the last few years hasn't been that bad. The only notable guy we've lost in recent year was Azz and he left for a clear promotion under his old boss.going4roses said:
Why does it seem so hard to find coaches that want to build something here?
Anyone have an answer?going4roses said:
Why does it seem so hard to find coaches that want to build something here?
Come on folks.Bobodeluxe said:Anyone have an answer?going4roses said:
Why does it seem so hard to find coaches that want to build something here?
Assistant coaches are vagabonds. They move a lot. Very few programs have the same staff together for more than a few years. Head coaches get hired away, get fired, get pressured to change staff members, assistants get promotions elsewhere etc. By nature the assistants move around. The days of staffs being together for years like Greatwood enjoyed at Oregon are few and far between.going4roses said:
Why does it seem so hard to find coaches that want to build something here?
going4roses said:
Why does it seem so hard to find coaches that want to build something here?
6956bear said:Assistant coaches are vagabonds. They move a lot. Very few programs have the same staff together for more than a few years. Head coaches get hired away, get fired, get pressured to change staff members, assistants get promotions elsewhere etc. By nature the assistants move around. The days of staffs being together for years like Greatwood enjoyed at Oregon are few and far between.going4roses said:
Why does it seem so hard to find coaches that want to build something here?
So they are all chasing their own dreams of being HC or coordinator. Wilcox has moved a lot himself in recent years. Some by his choice, some not. Nature of the Beast. But it would be nice for Cal to keep its OC for more than 1 season. If Baldwin goes it will make 4 in 4 years. That is too much movement at a very key position on the staff.
Well there was this guyBobodeluxe said:Anyone have an answer?going4roses said:
Why does it seem so hard to find coaches that want to build something here?
Isn't it obvious? How long would you stay some place that never pays top dollar, usually pay less than market rate, where the community isn't really rabid about football, the faculty/administration is sometimes hostile to football and cost of living is really high?Bobodeluxe said:Anyone have an answer?going4roses said:
Why does it seem so hard to find coaches that want to build something here?
I wouldn't have been surprised at all if we had hired Baldwin last year.XXXBEAR said:
I like Baldwin, but in all honesty, he hasn't done enough to warrant the promotion, nor would his hiring fire up the Arizona fan base. Sumlin would be a much better choice, though they are talking on the Arizona boards about waiting for a former Arizona player now a coach in the NFL.
nailed ittequila4kapp said:Isn't it obvious? How long would you stay some place that never pays top dollar, usually pay less than market rate, where the community isn't really rabid about football, the faculty/administration is sometimes hostile to football and cost of living is really high?Bobodeluxe said:Anyone have an answer?going4roses said:
Why does it seem so hard to find coaches that want to build something here?
tequila4kapp said:I wouldn't have been surprised at all if we had hired Baldwin last year.XXXBEAR said:
I like Baldwin, but in all honesty, he hasn't done enough to warrant the promotion, nor would his hiring fire up the Arizona fan base. Sumlin would be a much better choice, though they are talking on the Arizona boards about waiting for a former Arizona player now a coach in the NFL.
chazzed said:Baldwin had very little to work with this season, especially after the first few games. I want to see what he can do with Robertson, Watson, two or three good tight ends, etc.Uthaithani said:
I'm not freaking out either way on this one. I think he might be a better HC than OC and last season's offense is very easily replaceable, he didn't exactly work magic. It would be nice if he stuck around and could be HC at Cal when the time is right, but we'll be okay either way.
Yep, and don't forget CAL is not very flexible on their admissions for student athletes.Big C said:nailed ittequila4kapp said:Isn't it obvious? How long would you stay some place that never pays top dollar, usually pay less than market rate, where the community isn't really rabid about football, the faculty/administration is sometimes hostile to football and cost of living is really high?Bobodeluxe said:Anyone have an answer?going4roses said:
Why does it seem so hard to find coaches that want to build something here?
Eh, I think that's a lot to be expected when you have not 4/5* talent and even a lot of your top talent goes out (Demetris, Tre, Melquise), plus a transition to a new system, etc. Looking at his EW record, Baldwin started at 6-5, then took EW to the playoffs, and in the third year took them to an FCS title. I just think it's going to take time for the team to settle. Plus, considering the direction that Wilcox wants to go offense-wise, I don't even think the final evolution of the offense would be what Baldwin would want to run.calumnus said:chazzed said:Baldwin had very little to work with this season, especially after the first few games. I want to see what he can do with Robertson, Watson, two or three good tight ends, etc.Uthaithani said:
I'm not freaking out either way on this one. I think he might be a better HC than OC and last season's offense is very easily replaceable, he didn't exactly work magic. It would be nice if he stuck around and could be HC at Cal when the time is right, but we'll be okay either way.
I was still disappointed with what he did with what we had--I assumed he put together good offenses with lesser talent at Eastern Washington and thought he was predictable/not very imaginative or flexible this year. We went from the #1 offense in the conference to #11 (while improving from the #10 defense to #7).
Still, I will chalk up last year as an aberation and hope we see MUCH better results when he has more tools available to run the offense he wants to run. He does seem to be a leader and good HC.
Pskriv said:Yep, and don't forget CAL is not very flexible on their admissions for student athletes.Big C said:nailed ittequila4kapp said:Isn't it obvious? How long would you stay some place that never pays top dollar, usually pay less than market rate, where the community isn't really rabid about football, the faculty/administration is sometimes hostile to football and cost of living is really high?Bobodeluxe said:Anyone have an answer?going4roses said:
Why does it seem so hard to find coaches that want to build something here?
I know people on here love Cal, but I think they sometimes forget to appreciate it.ducky23 said:Pskriv said:Yep, and don't forget CAL is not very flexible on their admissions for student athletes.Big C said:nailed ittequila4kapp said:Isn't it obvious? How long would you stay some place that never pays top dollar, usually pay less than market rate, where the community isn't really rabid about football, the faculty/administration is sometimes hostile to football and cost of living is really high?Bobodeluxe said:Anyone have an answer?going4roses said:
We 'Why does it seem so hard to find coaches that want to build something here?
And yet our head coach declined an interview with arguably his dream job
We had the #1 offense in the Pac in 2016, only because of yardage. We were not the highest scoring offense in the Pac. Nor the most efficient. We didn't score the most touchdowns or average the most ppg.calumnus said:chazzed said:Baldwin had very little to work with this season, especially after the first few games. I want to see what he can do with Robertson, Watson, two or three good tight ends, etc.Uthaithani said:
I'm not freaking out either way on this one. I think he might be a better HC than OC and last season's offense is very easily replaceable, he didn't exactly work magic. It would be nice if he stuck around and could be HC at Cal when the time is right, but we'll be okay either way.
I was still disappointed with what he did with what we had--I assumed he put together good offenses with lesser talent at Eastern Washington and thought he was predictable/not very imaginative or flexible this year. We went from the #1 offense in the conference to #11 (while improving from the #10 defense to #7).
Still, I will chalk up last year as an aberation and hope we see MUCH better results when he has more tools available to run the offense he wants to run. He does seem to be a leader and good HC.
We have no choice. Between paying RR $6 mil in walking money and the money we've already committed to stadium and basketball arena renovations we're broke.TheSouseFamily said:
Looks like UofA is looking to save a few bones on this hire.
Well, there's the HC.going4roses said:
Why does it seem so hard to find coaches that want to build something here?
Welcome to the club!azgreg said:We have no choice. Between paying RR $6 mil in walking money and the money we've already committed to stadium and basketball arena renovations we're broke.TheSouseFamily said:
Looks like UofA is looking to save a few bones on this hire.
As the HC?tequila4kapp said:I wouldn't have been surprised at all if we had hired Baldwin last year.XXXBEAR said:
I like Baldwin, but in all honesty, he hasn't done enough to warrant the promotion, nor would his hiring fire up the Arizona fan base. Sumlin would be a much better choice, though they are talking on the Arizona boards about waiting for a former Arizona player now a coach in the NFL.
azgreg said:We have no choice. Between paying RR $6 mil in walking money and the money we've already committed to stadium and basketball arena renovations we're broke.TheSouseFamily said:
Looks like UofA is looking to save a few bones on this hire.
ColoradoBear said:As the HC?tequila4kapp said:I wouldn't have been surprised at all if we had hired Baldwin last year.XXXBEAR said:
I like Baldwin, but in all honesty, he hasn't done enough to warrant the promotion, nor would his hiring fire up the Arizona fan base. Sumlin would be a much better choice, though they are talking on the Arizona boards about waiting for a former Arizona player now a coach in the NFL.
If that had happened, Cal fans would have lost their mind, and we'd probably have had 30k fans at each game last year.
One year at the P5 level as Cal's OC hasn't shown much, though there were injury issues galore with offensive skill players.
If Az is going cheap, I can see why they might take Baldwin, but the jump from FCS to P5 is a big one.
Recruiting here isn't easy. Coaches know that getting top talent is the best way to consistently win.Sebastabear said:I know people on here love Cal, but I think they sometimes forget to appreciate it.ducky23 said:Pskriv said:Yep, and don't forget CAL is not very flexible on their admissions for student athletes.Big C said:nailed ittequila4kapp said:Isn't it obvious? How long would you stay some place that never pays top dollar, usually pay less than market rate, where the community isn't really rabid about football, the faculty/administration is sometimes hostile to football and cost of living is really high?Bobodeluxe said:Anyone have an answer?going4roses said:
We 'Why does it seem so hard to find coaches that want to build something here?
And yet our head coach declined an interview with arguably his dream job
Look this is one of the top schools in the world with a degree that sells itself. You don't think it's an issue to recruit kids and parents who are serious about academics to an Oregon or an ASU or whatever? It is.
We have a long, rich storied football tradition, and, lest you forget, we're the protagonists in the most famous play in college football history. And we know what the word "protagonists" means (yeah, intellectual snobbery, blah, blah, blah).
We have a very large and affluent alumni base with a hard core of passionate fans.
Our stadium is among the most beautiful in the world - I've certainly never seen one better. Our facilities are top rate, our weather is fantastic and the Bay Area beats the living hell as a place to live out of 99.9% of the country in terms of food, culture, natural beauty and entertainment.
Of course we have challenges and issues, but come on. This is not exactly the Siberian front of coaching gigs. Finding coaches who appreciate what we have to offer should be a no brainer if we can get out of our own way.
1: For those that qualify------the best academic schoolaws56 said:Recruiting here isn't easy. Coaches know that getting top talent is the best way to consistently win.Sebastabear said:I know people on here love Cal, but I think they sometimes forget to appreciate it.ducky23 said:Pskriv said:Yep, and don't forget CAL is not very flexible on their admissions for student athletes.Big C said:nailed ittequila4kapp said:Isn't it obvious? How long would you stay some place that never pays top dollar, usually pay less than market rate, where the community isn't really rabid about football, the faculty/administration is sometimes hostile to football and cost of living is really high?Bobodeluxe said:Anyone have an answer?going4roses said:
1We 'Why does it seem so hard to find coaches that want to build something here?
And yet our head coach declined an interview with arguably his dream job
Look this is one of the top schools in the world with a degree that sells itself. You don't think it's an issue to recruit kids and parents who are serious about academics to an Oregon or an ASU or whatever? It is.
We have a long, rich storied football tradition, and, lest you forget, we're the protagonists in the most famous play in college football history. And we know what the word "protagonists" means (yeah, intellectual snobbery, blah, blah, blah).
We have a very large and affluent alumni base with a hard core of passionate fans.
Our stadium is among the most beautiful in the world - I've certainly never seen one better. Our facilities are top rate, our weather is fantastic and the Bay Area beats the living hell as a place to live out of 99.9% of the country in terms of food, culture, natural beauty and entertainment.
Of course we have challenges and issues, but come on. This is not exactly the Siberian front of coaching gigs. Finding coaches who appreciate what we have to offer should be a no brainer if we can get out of our own way.
We just don't have a lot of competitive advantages that can't be countered by the elite football programs in the pac-12. I think that is out biggest issue.
