GMP said:

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OaktownBear said:

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okaydo said:

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bearister said:

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Now gentrification is about racism and not economics?

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What, are you trying to say gentrification has nothing to do with race?


https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/In-Oakland-this-is-gentrification-when-it-knocks-12845917.php




https://www.theroot.com/the-white-people-are-coming-6-signs-your-neighborhood-1803819806

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I have to say that this demonstrates how complicated race issues can be. White people used to (justifiably) be criticized for moving out of neighborhoods when Black people moved in. Now a new generation of White people want to move into some of the same neighborhoods, and new conditions create a different response.

I find some of the language around this troubling. The section you cited about differing use of the police is a very good point. But "The White People Are Coming"? C'mon man. We can be better than that.

I sympathize with the frustration of Blacks and I fully recognize that all prejudice does not injure equally. But that kind of crap just makes many White people feel justified in responding with their own prejudice.

I thought the woman in the video made an eloquent statement of the challenges faced by changing demographics in her community without sounding an exclusionary tone.

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I don't disagree that some white people will read a headline like "the white people are coming" and use it to justify their own prejudice. But the article is actually pretty funny. For example:

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The changing food landscape is the easiest way to tell when the whites are coming. A recent Johns Hopkins study on "food deserts" showed that minority neighborhoods often lack well-stocked grocery stores, leaving poor areas with fewer food options, many of which are higher-priced and unhealthy.

White people can't live like this. Before they arrive in droves, they must make sure that they can get their gluten-free, vegan, farm-raised, free-range, organic couscous. Gentrification is usually prefaced by the arrival of healthy options and grocery stores with 29 varieties of tomatoes. If you ever spot a sign that says "Whole Foods Coming to This Location"beware.

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Remember the little Jamaican restaurant where you used to get jerk chicken? Because they were out of oxtails. Because they were always out of oxtails. Because you think they keep oxtails on the menu to lure you in in the same way that McDonald's keeps McFlurrys on the menu but the machine is always broken. Is the oxtails machine broken? Do you have to come at 6 a.m. to get oxtails? Never mind ... you'll just have the jerk chicken. Again.

That Jamaican restaurant is now a Subway. Your barbershop is now a Starbucks. The beauty-supply store where you bought your weave and hair gel is now a Starbucks. In fact, everything is now a Starbucks, because if there's one thing wypipo love more than bragging how they got their jeans from a thrift shop, watching This Is Us, uncoordinated writhing to guitar solos and white supremacy, it's Starbucks.

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The last step in recognizing Caucasian colonization is the rise in what is referred to in black America as "wypipo *****" If a basketball court is replaced by a dog park, that's wypipo ***** When was the last time a dog got a college scholarship or played his way out of a rough neighborhood? And if you bring up Air Bud, we might have to fight, because he went straight to the pros. Plus, he was a terrible rebounder and his 3-point jumper was trash.

If your neighbor knocks on your door and asks if you "don't mind keeping it down between the hours of 3 p.m. and 1 a.m." because that's when she's meditating and doing yoga, that's wypipo ***** If you notice your corner store stops selling Black & Milds and 40s, but suddenly has SPF 201 sunscreen and microbrewery IPAs, that's wypipo ***** If no one shows up at the Black Lives Matter march, but some white lady in Birkenstocks stops you in front of the Whole Foods to ask you to sign a petition to erase the neighborhood mural of Tupac and Biggie because their misogynistic lyrics might "trigger" someone and she wants the neighborhood to be a safe space, don't punch her. You know the cops are somewhere near, and you know it's too late to stop the white people from coming, anyway ...

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OaktownBear said:

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GMP said:

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OaktownBear said:

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okaydo said:

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bearister said:

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Now gentrification is about racism and not economics?

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What, are you trying to say gentrification has nothing to do with race?


https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/In-Oakland-this-is-gentrification-when-it-knocks-12845917.php




https://www.theroot.com/the-white-people-are-coming-6-signs-your-neighborhood-1803819806

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I have to say that this demonstrates how complicated race issues can be. White people used to (justifiably) be criticized for moving out of neighborhoods when Black people moved in. Now a new generation of White people want to move into some of the same neighborhoods, and new conditions create a different response.

I find some of the language around this troubling. The section you cited about differing use of the police is a very good point. But "The White People Are Coming"? C'mon man. We can be better than that.

I sympathize with the frustration of Blacks and I fully recognize that all prejudice does not injure equally. But that kind of crap just makes many White people feel justified in responding with their own prejudice.

I thought the woman in the video made an eloquent statement of the challenges faced by changing demographics in her community without sounding an exclusionary tone.

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I don't disagree that some white people will read a headline like "the white people are coming" and use it to justify their own prejudice. But the article is actually pretty funny. For example:

Quote:

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The changing food landscape is the easiest way to tell when the whites are coming. A recent Johns Hopkins study on "food deserts" showed that minority neighborhoods often lack well-stocked grocery stores, leaving poor areas with fewer food options, many of which are higher-priced and unhealthy.

White people can't live like this. Before they arrive in droves, they must make sure that they can get their gluten-free, vegan, farm-raised, free-range, organic couscous. Gentrification is usually prefaced by the arrival of healthy options and grocery stores with 29 varieties of tomatoes. If you ever spot a sign that says "Whole Foods Coming to This Location"beware.

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Remember the little Jamaican restaurant where you used to get jerk chicken? Because they were out of oxtails. Because they were always out of oxtails. Because you think they keep oxtails on the menu to lure you in in the same way that McDonald's keeps McFlurrys on the menu but the machine is always broken. Is the oxtails machine broken? Do you have to come at 6 a.m. to get oxtails? Never mind ... you'll just have the jerk chicken. Again.

That Jamaican restaurant is now a Subway. Your barbershop is now a Starbucks. The beauty-supply store where you bought your weave and hair gel is now a Starbucks. In fact, everything is now a Starbucks, because if there's one thing wypipo love more than bragging how they got their jeans from a thrift shop, watching This Is Us, uncoordinated writhing to guitar solos and white supremacy, it's Starbucks.

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The last step in recognizing Caucasian colonization is the rise in what is referred to in black America as "wypipo *****" If a basketball court is replaced by a dog park, that's wypipo ***** When was the last time a dog got a college scholarship or played his way out of a rough neighborhood? And if you bring up Air Bud, we might have to fight, because he went straight to the pros. Plus, he was a terrible rebounder and his 3-point jumper was trash.

If your neighbor knocks on your door and asks if you "don't mind keeping it down between the hours of 3 p.m. and 1 a.m." because that's when she's meditating and doing yoga, that's wypipo ***** If you notice your corner store stops selling Black & Milds and 40s, but suddenly has SPF 201 sunscreen and microbrewery IPAs, that's wypipo ***** If no one shows up at the Black Lives Matter march, but some white lady in Birkenstocks stops you in front of the Whole Foods to ask you to sign a petition to erase the neighborhood mural of Tupac and Biggie because their misogynistic lyrics might "trigger" someone and she wants the neighborhood to be a safe space, don't punch her. You know the cops are somewhere near, and you know it's too late to stop the white people from coming, anyway ...

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Personally, I find it offensive, racist bullshyte.

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bearister said:

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I'm not going to get into the argument regarding the link between economic inequality and racism. But I assume we can all agree that if a white landlord can get 10 times the monthly rent from a well to do black family than from a poor white family, the white family GONE! That is the root of my post linking gentrification to economics.

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okaydo said:

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...Do you find Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle racist and offensive when they joke about white people? Just asking.

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okaydo said:

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Nevermind. I'm convinced. The decline in the number of black people in Oakland and Richmond has nothing to do with race. Also that those cities became large black population centers had nothing to do with race, either.

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Another Bear said:

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So what would happen if this situation were reversed somehow. Let's say a popular park or public space in a comfortable mostly white community, like Lamorinda. Or make it the fairly diverse hipster crowd that hangs at Dolores Park on the weekends.

People are grilling, having fun with family and friends and an African American guy comes up and says you can't grill there. It's only for gas grills, then calls 911. Makes a mountain out of a molehill.

How do you think the crowd in Lamorinda or Dolores Park would respond?

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bearister said:

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Another Bear said:

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So what would happen if this situation were reversed somehow. Let's say a popular park or public space in a comfortable mostly white community, like Lamorinda. Or make it the fairly diverse hipster crowd that hangs at Dolores Park on the weekends.

People are grilling, having fun with family and friends and an African American guy comes up and says you can't grill there. It's only for gas grills, then calls 911. Makes a mountain out of a molehill.

How do you think the crowd in Lamorinda or Dolores Park would respond?

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In that scenario the Orinda police show up and put 50 rounds in the guy who made the call and the white people sign a petition to rescind the ordinance banning charcoal.

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OaktownBear said:

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It is amazing to me also for a resident of Oakland to think the police are going to do anything about illegal barbecuing. Not going to happen. Some places, maybe. Oakland? No. They don't have the manpower for that crap.

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okaydo said:

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OaktownBear said:

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GMP said:

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OaktownBear said:

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okaydo said:

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bearister said:

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Now gentrification is about racism and not economics?

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What, are you trying to say gentrification has nothing to do with race?


https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/In-Oakland-this-is-gentrification-when-it-knocks-12845917.php




https://www.theroot.com/the-white-people-are-coming-6-signs-your-neighborhood-1803819806

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I have to say that this demonstrates how complicated race issues can be. White people used to (justifiably) be criticized for moving out of neighborhoods when Black people moved in. Now a new generation of White people want to move into some of the same neighborhoods, and new conditions create a different response.

I find some of the language around this troubling. The section you cited about differing use of the police is a very good point. But "The White People Are Coming"? C'mon man. We can be better than that.

I sympathize with the frustration of Blacks and I fully recognize that all prejudice does not injure equally. But that kind of crap just makes many White people feel justified in responding with their own prejudice.

I thought the woman in the video made an eloquent statement of the challenges faced by changing demographics in her community without sounding an exclusionary tone.

---

I don't disagree that some white people will read a headline like "the white people are coming" and use it to justify their own prejudice. But the article is actually pretty funny. For example:

Quote:

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The changing food landscape is the easiest way to tell when the whites are coming. A recent Johns Hopkins study on "food deserts" showed that minority neighborhoods often lack well-stocked grocery stores, leaving poor areas with fewer food options, many of which are higher-priced and unhealthy.

White people can't live like this. Before they arrive in droves, they must make sure that they can get their gluten-free, vegan, farm-raised, free-range, organic couscous. Gentrification is usually prefaced by the arrival of healthy options and grocery stores with 29 varieties of tomatoes. If you ever spot a sign that says "Whole Foods Coming to This Location"beware.

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Quote:

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Remember the little Jamaican restaurant where you used to get jerk chicken? Because they were out of oxtails. Because they were always out of oxtails. Because you think they keep oxtails on the menu to lure you in in the same way that McDonald's keeps McFlurrys on the menu but the machine is always broken. Is the oxtails machine broken? Do you have to come at 6 a.m. to get oxtails? Never mind ... you'll just have the jerk chicken. Again.

That Jamaican restaurant is now a Subway. Your barbershop is now a Starbucks. The beauty-supply store where you bought your weave and hair gel is now a Starbucks. In fact, everything is now a Starbucks, because if there's one thing wypipo love more than bragging how they got their jeans from a thrift shop, watching This Is Us, uncoordinated writhing to guitar solos and white supremacy, it's Starbucks.

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Quote:

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The last step in recognizing Caucasian colonization is the rise in what is referred to in black America as "wypipo *****" If a basketball court is replaced by a dog park, that's wypipo ***** When was the last time a dog got a college scholarship or played his way out of a rough neighborhood? And if you bring up Air Bud, we might have to fight, because he went straight to the pros. Plus, he was a terrible rebounder and his 3-point jumper was trash.

If your neighbor knocks on your door and asks if you "don't mind keeping it down between the hours of 3 p.m. and 1 a.m." because that's when she's meditating and doing yoga, that's wypipo ***** If you notice your corner store stops selling Black & Milds and 40s, but suddenly has SPF 201 sunscreen and microbrewery IPAs, that's wypipo ***** If no one shows up at the Black Lives Matter march, but some white lady in Birkenstocks stops you in front of the Whole Foods to ask you to sign a petition to erase the neighborhood mural of Tupac and Biggie because their misogynistic lyrics might "trigger" someone and she wants the neighborhood to be a safe space, don't punch her. You know the cops are somewhere near, and you know it's too late to stop the white people from coming, anyway ...

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Personally, I find it offensive, racist bullshyte.

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Do you find Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle racist and offensive when they joke about white people? Just asking.

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okaydo said:

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Nevermind. I'm convinced. The decline in the number of black people in Oakland and Richmond has nothing to do with race. Also that those cities became large black population centers had nothing to do with race, either.

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