It's been a crazy year here.

The scary part of this season's fires is that cities/towns are no longer safe, like Paradise.

The fuel on the ground is like living on a bomb ready to go off with the slightest spark. That's kind of where we are now in Cali. You just pray the spark doesn't drop near you.

The woolsey fire started at the Santa susana superfund site owned now by Boeing. The site is surrounded by unusual cases of cancer and was where a salt reactor melted down, releasing more than 400x the radiation of 3mile island. The meltdown was covered up by our govt, then uncovered by a UCLA professor. They were in the middle of a cleanup following more recent cancers when the site went ablaze. But if course...no threat to human health, per the govt that covered up the meltdown and the la times.

Another Bear said:

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The scary part of this season's fires is that cities/towns are no longer safe, like Paradise.

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Except the 1923 Berkeley Hills fire burned all the way to Shattuck Ave. The fire only stopped when the wind stopped. It is said that if the wind hadn't abated, the fire would have roared all the way to the bay shoreline. So our cities really weren't "safe" in the past either.

That said, climate trends seem to pretty clearly indicate much higher chance and incidence of conflagration. Things don't look too positive.

Can't wait to see what happens to homeowner insurance premiums .

Many must have not have had insurance since they are living in tents. Homeowners insurance includes a year living somewhere else.

I wonder what percentage in Paradise were uninsured. From the looks of it, a very large petcentage. Wish the talking heads would provide some information on this.

oskidunker said:

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Many must have not have had insurance since they are living in tents. Homeowners insurance includes a year living somewhere else.

I wonder what percentage in Paradise were uninsured. From the looks of it, a very large petcentage. Wish the talking heads would provide some information on this.

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I have known a couple of people who grew up in Paradise. They both say it was named ironically. I'm sure lots of residents there are not property owners. Yes, also some property owners were not insured (hard to believe, in this day and age, but that's Paradise for you). Some just probably have nowhere else to go.

If you rent and buy renters insurance for $2-300.00 per year, it would also include 1 year additional living expenses. Foolisish not to have when you live in a forrest.

TandemBear said:

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Another Bear said:

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The scary part of this season's fires is that cities/towns are no longer safe, like Paradise.

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Except the 1923 Berkeley Hills fire burned all the way to Shattuck Ave. The fire only stopped when the wind stopped. It is said that if the wind hadn't abated, the fire would have roared all the way to the bay shoreline. So our cities really weren't "safe" in the past either.

That said, climate trends seem to pretty clearly indicate much higher chance and incidence of conflagration. Things don't look too positive.

Can't wait to see what happens to homeowner insurance premiums .

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It would be interesting to see what the city looked like in 1923 and how dense Berkeley was at the time. You know, the flatlands of Berkeley use to be farms and dairies, hence Berkeley Farms. I wonder how many homes where in the hills at the time.

Any way I don't know anything about the 1923 fire. I do know the current epidemic of fires in California are largely climate related, drought fuel, super low humidity and crazy winds. Given how many major fires have happened in NorCal the past few years, I'd say things are different today. The frequency and intensity says things are different. I don't think anywhere in NorCal is safe.

re: insurance premiums, yeah...those are going to hurt.

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TandemBear said:

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Another Bear said:

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..It would be interesting to see what the city looked like in 1923 and how dense Berkeley was at the time.. I wonder how many homes where in the hills at the time.

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Any way I don't know anything about the 1923 fire..

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the fire came down into town on northside iirc..

((trivial pursuit from the media guide, in 1923 andy smith's team allowed a total of 7 pts, finishing 9-0-1))

Unfortunately that might become a regular thing, not a 100 year thing.