hanky1 said:

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I think the more Germaine question is why we can't recruit 4 star qbs and receivers. Not that we need them or anything

Bear8 said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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hanky1 said:

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I think the more Germaine question is why we can't recruit 4 star qbs and receivers. Not that we need them or anything

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And the answer to the question is because we don't offer a Sports Management major for athletes.

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we don't? Not surprised. All the jocks i roomed with or knew had to find some dumbass major but that was ages ago

cal83dls79 said:

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Bear8 said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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hanky1 said:

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I think the more Germaine question is why we can't recruit 4 star qbs and receivers. Not that we need them or anything

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And the answer to the question is because we don't offer a Sports Management major for athletes.

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we don't? Not surprised. All the jocks i roomed with or knew had to find some dumbass major but that was ages ago

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There have always been majors at Cal that can be a bit easier. Thing is, at Cal, they're also legit majors. Take the current favorite among jocks, American Studies. It also attracts future lawyers, academics, members of Congress and CEOs.

calgldnbear said:

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Because we were screwed out of a Rose Bowl by some guy in knee pads

Because it takes more than one player to win football games, no matter how great or awesome he is

Because it takes an offense and a defense to win

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In 2004 we had a top 10 defense. This was our roster:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/california/2004-roster.html

calumnus said:

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calgldnbear said:

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Because we were screwed out of a Rose Bowl by some guy in knee pads

Because it takes more than one player to win football games, no matter how great or awesome he is

Because it takes an offense and a defense to win

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In 2004 we had a top 10 defense. This was our roster:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/california/2004-roster.html

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We also just happened to be in the same conference with one of the greatest teams of that decade.

Frankly, I don't buy that Mack campaigning was all that was required to drop Cal. I could see those coaches doing it anyway because they simply value football from that part of the region more than football from us "pansy West Coasters".

packawana said:

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calumnus said:

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calgldnbear said:

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Because we were screwed out of a Rose Bowl by some guy in knee pads

Because it takes more than one player to win football games, no matter how great or awesome he is

Because it takes an offense and a defense to win

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In 2004 we had a top 10 defense. This was our roster:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/california/2004-roster.html

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We also just happened to be in the same conference with one of the greatest teams of that decade.

Frankly, I don't buy that Mack campaigning was all that was required to drop Cal. I could see those coaches doing it anyway because they simply value football from that part of the region more than football from us "pansy West Coasters".

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Wasn't one of Mack's relatives or former coaches a member of the selection committee? Yeah, as I recall there was more to it than just Mack going around begging.

Because we are Cal

UCBerkGrad said:

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Because we are Cal

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DING! DING! DING!
WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!

Rushinbear said:

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packawana said:

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calumnus said:

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calgldnbear said:

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Because we were screwed out of a Rose Bowl by some guy in knee pads

Because it takes more than one player to win football games, no matter how great or awesome he is

Because it takes an offense and a defense to win

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In 2004 we had a top 10 defense. This was our roster:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/california/2004-roster.html

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We also just happened to be in the same conference with one of the greatest teams of that decade.

Frankly, I don't buy that Mack campaigning was all that was required to drop Cal. I could see those coaches doing it anyway because they simply value football from that part of the region more than football from us "pansy West Coasters".

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Wasn't one of Mack's relatives or former coaches a member of the selection committee? Yeah, as I recall there was more to it than just Mack going around begging.

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Mack "knee padding it" forced the committee's hand. They were obligated to take them once they jumped into the top 4 (maybe 6). The real crime was the coaches. Its been a while, but there were at least 4 voters, who had never had us lower than 6, suddenly voting us in at 12 or worse...Then UT jumped us an the rest is history.

Rushinbear said:

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packawana said:

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calumnus said:

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calgldnbear said:

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Because we were screwed out of a Rose Bowl by some guy in knee pads

Because it takes more than one player to win football games, no matter how great or awesome he is

Because it takes an offense and a defense to win

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In 2004 we had a top 10 defense. This was our roster:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/california/2004-roster.html

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We also just happened to be in the same conference with one of the greatest teams of that decade.

Frankly, I don't buy that Mack campaigning was all that was required to drop Cal. I could see those coaches doing it anyway because they simply value football from that part of the region more than football from us "pansy West Coasters".

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Wasn't one of Mack's relatives or former coaches a member of the selection committee? Yeah, as I recall there was more to it than just Mack going around begging.

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I believe Mack Brown's brother was the head coach at UAB and had a vote in the coaches poll

socalBear23 said:

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Rushinbear said:

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packawana said:

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calumnus said:

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calgldnbear said:

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Because we were screwed out of a Rose Bowl by some guy in knee pads

Because it takes more than one player to win football games, no matter how great or awesome he is

Because it takes an offense and a defense to win

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In 2004 we had a top 10 defense. This was our roster:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/california/2004-roster.html

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We also just happened to be in the same conference with one of the greatest teams of that decade.

Frankly, I don't buy that Mack campaigning was all that was required to drop Cal. I could see those coaches doing it anyway because they simply value football from that part of the region more than football from us "pansy West Coasters".

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Wasn't one of Mack's relatives or former coaches a member of the selection committee? Yeah, as I recall there was more to it than just Mack going around begging.

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Mack "knee padding it" forced the committee's hand. They were obligated to take them once they jumped into the top 4 (maybe 6). The real crime was the coaches. Its been a while, but there were at least 4 voters, who had never had us lower than 6, suddenly voting us in at 12 or worse...Then UT jumped us an the rest is history.

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Yes, we were screwed in the coaches poll, but we would have gone anyway if the rules for the computers remained as in prior years (took into account margin of victory as in Sagarin's "predictor" which had us in a virtual tie with USC for #1 .

Bear8 said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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hanky1 said:

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I think the more Germaine question is why we can't recruit 4 star qbs and receivers. Not that we need them or anything

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And the answer to the question is because we don't offer a Sports Management major for athletes.

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Plenty of Cal football players, including star players, were highly intelligent in contrast ti the stereotype of the dumb jock. Heck, DeSean Jackson was a math major at Cal. As you all know, math's no joke at Cal. Joe Igber studied architecture (I think) and wound up passing up a NFL career to pursue a career in architecture.

Let's stop pretending Cal football players are dumb boneheaded jocks. That's just not true and unbecoming of Cal alumni and Cal fans. The student-athletes at Cal are every bit as intelligent as the general student body, if not smarter. They also work as hard as, if not harder than, the general student body.

01Bear said:

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Joe Igber studied architecture (I think) and wound up passing up a NFL career to pursue a career in architecture.

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I was curious to learn a bit more about Joe Igber - I definitely remember him turning in some really good games at Cal, during the highlight years of Jeff Tedford.

I came across this article - a lot of the information in it is dated, but Igber is highlighted along with Russell White. Bypass the stuff about the Stadium debt (it is old news) - the experiences of Igber at Cal along with his comments are informative of the challenges Igber went through at Cal as he pursued his engineering degree.

http://www.sfweekly.com/news/dont-hate-the-player-are-college-athletes-working-for-a-degree-or-working-for-a-cartel/

Joe Igber is working as a structural engineering consultant. Here is a link to his web site:

http://sedrconsulting.com/about-structural-engineer-oakland-san-francisco-california/

Note that Igber does not mention his football career at Cal at all - he only references his approach to structural engineering & projects he has worked on. This fits with how the SFWeekly article describes Igber's desire to let his work stand on its own - I think for him a matter of integrity.

Bear19 said:

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01Bear said:

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Joe Igber studied architecture (I think) and wound up passing up a NFL career to pursue a career in architecture.

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I was curious to learn a bit more about Joe Igber - I definitely remember him turning in some really good games at Cal, during the highlight years of Jeff Tedford.

I came across this article - a lot of the information in it is dated, but Igber is highlighted along with Russell White. Bypass the stuff about the Stadium debt (it is old news) - the experiences of Igber at Cal along with his comments are informative of the challenges Igber went through at Cal as he pursued his engineering degree.

http://www.sfweekly.com/news/dont-hate-the-player-are-college-athletes-working-for-a-degree-or-working-for-a-cartel/

Joe Igber is working as a structural engineering consultant. Here is a link to his web site:

http://sedrconsulting.com/about-structural-engineer-oakland-san-francisco-california/

Note that Igber does not mention his football career at Cal at all - he only references his approach to structural engineering & projects he has worked on. This fits with how the SFWeekly article describes Igber's desire to let his work stand on its own - I think for him a matter of integrity.

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I stand corrected. Joe Igber studied engineering at Cal, which I'm sure everyone would agree is extremely tough and requires not just hard work but brains.