Big C said:
How does one store in a large chain get on "ABC lock down"? I used to work in retail... curious about the details.
It's all right, I'll be content with the water fountains on the East Side.Bears2thDoc said:
Just in case some of you usually liquor up at the College/Claremont Safeway for pre/post game refreshments..... they are on ABC lock down from now 'til October.
Better hit up TJs.
Cheers!!
Go Bears!!!
Big C said:
How does one store in a large chain get on "ABC lock down"? I used to work in retail... curious about the details.
I read the article... caught three times within the last year selling to minors. (I knew it had to be multiple times. There is a progression of warnings after each time.)okaydo said:Big C said:
How does one store in a large chain get on "ABC lock down"? I used to work in retail... curious about the details.
I remember getting carded at that store when I was in my early 30s.
https://www.berkeleyside.com/2019/08/05/dont-look-for-liquor-at-safeway-on-college-its-license-has-been-suspended
Could you fool the system by finding a bottle of the same weight scanning that and slipping the booze into your bag? Does the ABC care if the alcohol is being stolen? Or just that minors are getting out the door with it? Those people monitoring the registers have several to babysit and often one that needs their intervention. I could see how they could get beaten, but then they are not "selling" to minors.Big C said:I read the article... caught three times within the last year selling to minors. (I knew it had to be multiple times. There is a progression of warnings after each time.)okaydo said:Big C said:
How does one store in a large chain get on "ABC lock down"? I used to work in retail... curious about the details.
I remember getting carded at that store when I was in my early 30s.
https://www.berkeleyside.com/2019/08/05/dont-look-for-liquor-at-safeway-on-college-its-license-has-been-suspended
What I was wondering was, to what extent are other Safeway stores (all part of the same corporation) affected? They corporation must be getting fined, at the very minimum.
I have some pretty decent knowledge of how modern "cash registers" work: For a Safeway cashier to sell alcohol to ANYBODY in their line, they have to scan the customer's ID or manually put in a birth date. In the case of somebody like me who is obviously over 21 x 2, they can override it, but they have to do it proactively. It's REALLY frowned upon to not scan or look at anybody's ID unless they are WAY over 21. The cashiers get trained on this and it's serious. If there's a customer who looks to be "about 35", they should absolutely get carded, without question.
Another possibility: That store has (or used to have) some self-service check-out registers. About 3-4 years ago, it became illegal in CA to sell alcohol at those registers. One employee has to be monitoring those registers at all times. I would GUESS that they can make it so that those particular registers just flat-out do not scan alcoholic beverages.
The manager of that store almost certainly lost his or her job.
going4roses said:
I'm still getting carded at 46 ... "like come on dude"
LOLcalumnus said:going4roses said:
I'm still getting carded at 46 ... "like come on dude"
Used to happen to me a lot before I went gray.
I went up to the checkout a couple years ago with a few things and a bottle of wine. The young woman at the checkout asked if I had an ID. Amused, I asked "Do you really think I am not 21"? She replied, "I was just checking if you are eligible for the senior discount."
The retailer needs to show due diligence, but if an underage individual "steals" alcohol, it's not the store's fault. One of the responsibilities of the employee monitoring the self-service registers is to intercept anybody with alcoholic beverages, just like in the "regular" check-out line, a cashier might notice a customer with a 5th of whiskey down their pants ("Are you THAT happy to see me?"). If it ever became a huge problem, California might end up restricting alcoholic beverage sales to liquor stores, like in some states.Go!Bears said:Could you fool the system by finding a bottle of the same weight scanning that and slipping the booze into your bag? Does the ABC care if the alcohol is being stolen? Or just that minors are getting out the door with it? Those people monitoring the registers have several to babysit and often one that needs their intervention. I could see how they could get beaten, but then they are not "selling" to minors.Big C said:I read the article... caught three times within the last year selling to minors. (I knew it had to be multiple times. There is a progression of warnings after each time.)okaydo said:Big C said:
How does one store in a large chain get on "ABC lock down"? I used to work in retail... curious about the details.
I remember getting carded at that store when I was in my early 30s.
https://www.berkeleyside.com/2019/08/05/dont-look-for-liquor-at-safeway-on-college-its-license-has-been-suspended
What I was wondering was, to what extent are other Safeway stores (all part of the same corporation) affected? They corporation must be getting fined, at the very minimum.
I have some pretty decent knowledge of how modern "cash registers" work: For a Safeway cashier to sell alcohol to ANYBODY in their line, they have to scan the customer's ID or manually put in a birth date. In the case of somebody like me who is obviously over 21 x 2, they can override it, but they have to do it proactively. It's REALLY frowned upon to not scan or look at anybody's ID unless they are WAY over 21. The cashiers get trained on this and it's serious. If there's a customer who looks to be "about 35", they should absolutely get carded, without question.
Another possibility: That store has (or used to have) some self-service check-out registers. About 3-4 years ago, it became illegal in CA to sell alcohol at those registers. One employee has to be monitoring those registers at all times. I would GUESS that they can make it so that those particular registers just flat-out do not scan alcoholic beverages.
The manager of that store almost certainly lost his or her job.
Big C said:I read the article... caught three times within the last year selling to minors. (I knew it had to be multiple times. There is a progression of warnings after each time.)okaydo said:Big C said:
How does one store in a large chain get on "ABC lock down"? I used to work in retail... curious about the details.
I remember getting carded at that store when I was in my early 30s.
https://www.berkeleyside.com/2019/08/05/dont-look-for-liquor-at-safeway-on-college-its-license-has-been-suspended
What I was wondering was, to what extent are other Safeway stores (all part of the same corporation) affected? They corporation must be getting fined, at the very minimum.
I have some pretty decent knowledge of how modern "cash registers" work: For a Safeway cashier to sell alcohol to ANYBODY in their line, they have to scan the customer's ID or manually put in a birth date. In the case of somebody like me who is obviously over 21 x 2, they can override it, but they have to do it proactively. It's REALLY frowned upon to not scan or look at anybody's ID unless they are WAY over 21. The cashiers get trained on this and it's serious. If there's a customer who looks to be "about 35", they should absolutely get carded, without question.
Another possibility: That store has (or used to have) some self-service check-out registers. About 3-4 years ago, it became illegal in CA to sell alcohol at those registers. One employee has to be monitoring those registers at all times. I would GUESS that they can make it so that those particular registers just flat-out do not scan alcoholic beverages.
The manager of that store almost certainly lost his or her job.
Me, my brothers and all of our friends and acquaintances have certainly done our part keeping McNally's solidly in the black...bearister said:
I started drinking at McNally's at 17. On my 21st birthday I showed my driver's license to cash in on the bar's free drink tradition. Bartender Tommy's response, "Why you SOB you've been drinking in here for 3 or 4 years!"
The article also said that ABC used 'decoys' to catch vendors in violation. Could be that the ABC decoy found a hole in their security, flagged a violation, didn't tell the store how they 'tricked' the system, did it again the next year, then third time is the charm.Bears2thDoc said:Big C said:I read the article... caught three times within the last year selling to minors. (I knew it had to be multiple times. There is a progression of warnings after each time.)okaydo said:Big C said:
How does one store in a large chain get on "ABC lock down"? I used to work in retail... curious about the details.
I remember getting carded at that store when I was in my early 30s.
https://www.berkeleyside.com/2019/08/05/dont-look-for-liquor-at-safeway-on-college-its-license-has-been-suspended
What I was wondering was, to what extent are other Safeway stores (all part of the same corporation) affected? They corporation must be getting fined, at the very minimum.
I have some pretty decent knowledge of how modern "cash registers" work: For a Safeway cashier to sell alcohol to ANYBODY in their line, they have to scan the customer's ID or manually put in a birth date. In the case of somebody like me who is obviously over 21 x 2, they can override it, but they have to do it proactively. It's REALLY frowned upon to not scan or look at anybody's ID unless they are WAY over 21. The cashiers get trained on this and it's serious. If there's a customer who looks to be "about 35", they should absolutely get carded, without question.
Another possibility: That store has (or used to have) some self-service check-out registers. About 3-4 years ago, it became illegal in CA to sell alcohol at those registers. One employee has to be monitoring those registers at all times. I would GUESS that they can make it so that those particular registers just flat-out do not scan alcoholic beverages.
The manager of that store almost certainly lost his or her job.
LOL!!
You didn't read it very well.....
Caught 3 times in THREE YEARS!
In my retail experience dealing with the ABC, they would WANT the retailer to be able to correct any weaknesses they had in their point-of-sale system. The store would get a detailed report of what happened and how to prevent it in the future. They really didn't want to put retailers out of business, especially the larger corporations.sp4149 said:The article also said that ABC used 'decoys' to catch vendors in violation. Could be that the ABC decoy found a hole in their security, flagged a violation, didn't tell the store how they 'tricked' the system, did it again the next year, then third time is the charm.Bears2thDoc said:Big C said:I read the article... caught three times within the last year selling to minors. (I knew it had to be multiple times. There is a progression of warnings after each time.)okaydo said:Big C said:
How does one store in a large chain get on "ABC lock down"? I used to work in retail... curious about the details.
I remember getting carded at that store when I was in my early 30s.
https://www.berkeleyside.com/2019/08/05/dont-look-for-liquor-at-safeway-on-college-its-license-has-been-suspended
What I was wondering was, to what extent are other Safeway stores (all part of the same corporation) affected? They corporation must be getting fined, at the very minimum.
I have some pretty decent knowledge of how modern "cash registers" work: For a Safeway cashier to sell alcohol to ANYBODY in their line, they have to scan the customer's ID or manually put in a birth date. In the case of somebody like me who is obviously over 21 x 2, they can override it, but they have to do it proactively. It's REALLY frowned upon to not scan or look at anybody's ID unless they are WAY over 21. The cashiers get trained on this and it's serious. If there's a customer who looks to be "about 35", they should absolutely get carded, without question.
Another possibility: That store has (or used to have) some self-service check-out registers. About 3-4 years ago, it became illegal in CA to sell alcohol at those registers. One employee has to be monitoring those registers at all times. I would GUESS that they can make it so that those particular registers just flat-out do not scan alcoholic beverages.
The manager of that store almost certainly lost his or her job.
LOL!!
You didn't read it very well.....
Caught 3 times in THREE YEARS!
DOD security inspectors knew where the vulnerabilities were and sould always fail 'base security' if they wanted. Park Service police knew how to do a vehicle inspection so that the vehicle would fail on safety violations. Wouldn't surprise me if ABC 'inspectors' were playing the same game.
petalumabear said:Me, my brothers and all of our friends and acquaintances have certainly done our part keeping McNally's solidly in the black...bearister said:
I started drinking at McNally's at 17. On my 21st birthday I showed my driver's license to cash in on the bar's free drink tradition. Bartender Tommy's response, "Why you SOB you've been drinking in here for 3 or 4 years!"
that does have a ring of familiarity to it Bearister.... been there as the saying goes...bearister said:petalumabear said:Me, my brothers and all of our friends and acquaintances have certainly done our part keeping McNally's solidly in the black...bearister said:
I started drinking at McNally's at 17. On my 21st birthday I showed my driver's license to cash in on the bar's free drink tradition. Bartender Tommy's response, "Why you SOB you've been drinking in here for 3 or 4 years!"
I remember many a night over 40 years ago walking out that front door at closing time, getting that sobering blast of chilly early morning air, and having to do a fair bit of concentrating before I committed to turning right or left on that sidewalk. When my brother in law's brother was at Cal, he decided before exiting at closing time that he was too drunk to drive so he decided to walk back to campus. He got a few miles down Broadway before he figured out he took a left out that door to reality instead of a right. Ah, the old days.
LOL!bearister said:
I remember many a night over 40 years ago walking out that front door at closing time, getting that sobering blast of chilly early morning air, and having to do a fair bit of concentrating before I committed to turning right or left on that sidewalk. When my brother in law's brother was at Cal, he decided before exiting at closing time that he was too drunk to drive so he decided to walk back to campus. He got a few miles down Broadway before he figured out he took a left out that door to reality instead of a right. Ah, the old days.
