). It was as though my wife left me for another man. Just. No. Not going to support them or welcome them back. Quote:
They were 98-26-3 in their first run, 94-105 since returning from Los Angeles.
AunBear89 said:
So.... how many Raider fans, suffering from battered fan syndrome, will follow the Raiders to Vegas - just like so many did to LA and back?
You get what you ask for when you support a team owed by Al Davis and/or his progeny.
I was so p***sed off from that game, because the Raiders had beaten the Chiefs home and away during the regular season, and had that playoff game at home.Cal8285 said:
The Raiders in Oakland really was two different eras. I'm not sure anyone will ever be all that nostalgic about the current era. The 1966-81 run in the Coliseum was amazing, and the Raiders were a really good team that entire time.
The final AFL game on January 4, 1970, between the Chiefs and the Raiders was an amazing battle between two great defensive teams with some excellent offensive weapons. With all due respect to Joe Kapp's Vikings, it was the battle for the best professional football team.
And the best football game I ever attended was the Sea of Hands game.
One could go on. Those were the days, and those were amazing crowds. But after the return from LA, things were never the same. Al Davis yearned for a return to the original era, but it was too late, he screwed it up when he moved the team to LA. You can't leave your wife incredibly wonderful wife for someone you think is prettier and richer, decide to come back to her, and expect you can ever capture the same magic.
Welcome to the bandwagon. In fact, you are just in time, the wagon will be on its way once the five Lombardi trophies are put aboard.bearister said:AunBear89 said:
So.... how many Raider fans, suffering from battered fan syndrome, will follow the Raiders to Vegas - just like so many did to LA and back?
You get what you ask for when you support a team owed by Al Davis and/or his progeny.
I'm a Goff Rams fan now. I am also now a Niners fan. I started warming up to the Niners several years ago because they sucked so bad. I never watched one game during the Montana Era. I did not even consider it a big deal to have my son play hoop with Joe's son at DLS and meet him (he is nice). Now that the Raiders are leaving, the Niners left The Sh@itty and play in Santa Clara, and they are a good team, it is a no brainer to become a fan.
Quite frankly, the Raiders and Las Vegas were born to marry one another. I can't think of a sports franchise and a city that are more closely matched than those two. They deserve each other.Marty said:
Well put. This is simply karma repaying the Raiders for their greed. Al & Co. had a great thing going, and just couldn't resist the urge for more. How many times do we see a seemingly perfect setup (business, marriage, team) sacrificed simply because greed takes over and an embarrassment of riches suddenly isn't enough?
A once dominant and loved franchise, now run by a bunch of incompetent buffoons led by circus clowns Gruden and Mayock slinks off to the most superficial city in the world, having willingly traded a once unmatched record of success for a legacy of failure and shame. The Raiders and Vegas, a losing team and a city of greedy parasites, are a fitting match for one another
bearister said:AunBear89 said:
So.... how many Raider fans, suffering from battered fan syndrome, will follow the Raiders to Vegas - just like so many did to LA and back?
You get what you ask for when you support a team owed by Al Davis and/or his progeny.
I'm a Goff Rams fan now. I am also now a Niners fan. I started warming up to the Niners several years ago because they sucked so bad. I never watched one game during the Montana Era. I did not even consider it a big deal to have my son play hoop with Joe's son at DLS and meet him (he is nice). Now that the Raiders are leaving, the Niners left The Sh@itty and play in Santa Clara, and they are a good team, it is a no brainer to become a fan.
71Bear said:Quite frankly, the Raiders and Las Vegas were born to marry one another. I can't think of a sports franchise and a city that are more closely matched than those two. They deserve each other.Marty said:
Well put. This is simply karma repaying the Raiders for their greed. Al & Co. had a great thing going, and just couldn't resist the urge for more. How many times do we see a seemingly perfect setup (business, marriage, team) sacrificed simply because greed takes over and an embarrassment of riches suddenly isn't enough?
A once dominant and loved franchise, now run by a bunch of incompetent buffoons led by circus clowns Gruden and Mayock slinks off to the most superficial city in the world, having willingly traded a once unmatched record of success for a legacy of failure and shame. The Raiders and Vegas, a losing team and a city of greedy parasites, are a fitting match for one another
Not only did I see a Raiders game at Frank Youell, I also had a archery class on the field during my time at Laney College. Those were the days!RichyBear said:
I watched the Raiders play at Frank Youell Field. I watched the first game at the Collisium. Even after they move to LA I was at a SuperBowl party in 1984 (1983 SuperBowl) where every one went Crazy every time the Raiders scored.
But moving to Vegas is too much. The Raiders are DEAD to me. It's as if your wife left you for another. Then after a few years wanted to come back to you. You take her back. Then a few years later she says "I'am leaving you again for another man, but i'll stay with you until he gets out of jail and finds a job.'
Now every game the Raider lose makes my day.. At one time it would ruin my day.
BTW- to paraphrase Ray Stevens. Vegas has no class. I take that back, it has some class, but it's all low class.
Yup. I was a HUGE Raider fan, as a kid, in the early '70s. When they moved back from LA, I got teary-eyed. Now, to hell with them (actually, that's where they're going next year, so fine).RichyBear said:
I watched the Raiders play at Frank Youell Field. I watched the first game at the Collisium. Even after they move to LA I was at a SuperBowl party in 1984 (1983 SuperBowl) where every one went Crazy every time the Raiders scored.
But moving to Vegas is too much. The Raiders are DEAD to me. It's as if your wife left you for another. Then after a few years wanted to come back to you. You take her back. Then a few years later she says "I'am leaving you again for another man, but i'll stay with you until he gets out of jail and finds a job.'
Now every game the Raider lose makes my day.. At one time it would ruin my day.
BTW- to paraphrase Ray Stevens. Vegas has no class. I take that back, it has some class, but it's all low class.
The late talk radio host, Pete Franklin, analogized Oakland Raider fans flying back and forth to LA to see them play there as your wife leaves you for another man, so now you go to their house every weekend and mow their lawn for them.RichyBear said:
I watched the Raiders play at Frank Youell Field. I watched the first game at the Collisium. Even after they move to LA I was at a SuperBowl party in 1984 (1983 SuperBowl) where every one went Crazy every time the Raiders scored.
But moving to Vegas is too much. The Raiders are DEAD to me. It's as if your wife left you for another. Then after a few years wanted to come back to you. You take her back. Then a few years later she says "I'am leaving you again for another man, but i'll stay with you until he gets out of jail and finds a job.'
Now every game the Raider lose makes my day.. At one time it would ruin my day.
BTW- to paraphrase Ray Stevens. Vegas has no class. I take that back, it has some class, but it's all low class.
RichyBear said:
I watched the Raiders play at Frank Youell Field. I watched the first game at the Collisium. Even after they move to LA I was at a SuperBowl party in 1984 (1983 SuperBowl) where every one went Crazy every time the Raiders scored.
But moving to Vegas is too much. The Raiders are DEAD to me. It's as if your wife left you for another. Then after a few years wanted to come back to you. You take her back. Then a few years later she says "I'am leaving you again for another man, but i'll stay with you until he gets out of jail and finds a job.'
Now every game the Raider lose makes my day.. At one time it would ruin my day.
BTW- to paraphrase Ray Stevens. Vegas has no class. I take that back, it has some class, but it's all low class.
Not entirely true. There's a reason the Raiders are a joke to NFL fans in the Midwest (well, outside StL anyway) - most of those cities have loyal fans, ownership and teams that stay put, and can't even imagine the idea of a team like the Raiders that have gone from Oakland to LA to Oakland and now to Vegas, shedding "fans" like a snake sheds its skin and leaving a trail of embarrassing failure along the way.LunchTime said:
The Raiders are a great example of why I cant get on board with pro sports. I have a hard time even tuning in for individuals like Lynch or Goff because I have such a distaste for pro sports.
They exist to take tax money from the location they are in, and return as little as possible. They have no regional connection and are eager to leave for a better tax-ripoff deal. Hardly anyone has been a part of the organization, so a tiny few have a personal connection. If you like an individual player, they are just as likely to leave the team as stay. There is literally nothing stable that would connect a fan to a team, IMO.
Raiders to LV. 49ers to SC. Warriors to SF. And that's just a 50 mile radius of where I grew up and 5 years. Its bonkers to me that these teams can maintain fan support at all unless they are absolutely dominating and sad people want to attach to that success.
Used to love listening to Pete rip Al Davis mercilessly on his show. But then that's no surprise.MSaviolives said:The late talk radio host, Pete Franklin, analogized Oakland Raider fans flying back and forth to LA to see them play there as your wife leaves you for another man, so now you go to their house every weekend and mow their lawn for them.RichyBear said:
I watched the Raiders play at Frank Youell Field. I watched the first game at the Collisium. Even after they move to LA I was at a SuperBowl party in 1984 (1983 SuperBowl) where every one went Crazy every time the Raiders scored.
But moving to Vegas is too much. The Raiders are DEAD to me. It's as if your wife left you for another. Then after a few years wanted to come back to you. You take her back. Then a few years later she says "I'am leaving you again for another man, but i'll stay with you until he gets out of jail and finds a job.'
Now every game the Raider lose makes my day.. At one time it would ruin my day.
BTW- to paraphrase Ray Stevens. Vegas has no class. I take that back, it has some class, but it's all low class.
LunchTime said:
The Raiders are a great example of why I cant get on board with pro sports. I have a hard time even tuning in for individuals like Lynch or Goff because I have such a distaste for pro sports.
They exist to take tax money from the location they are in, and return as little as possible. They have no regional connection and are eager to leave for a better tax-ripoff deal. Hardly anyone has been a part of the organization, so a tiny few have a personal connection. If you like an individual player, they are just as likely to leave the team as stay. There is literally nothing stable that would connect a fan to a team, IMO.
Raiders to LV. 49ers to SC. Warriors to SF. And that's just a 50 mile radius of where I grew up and 5 years. Its bonkers to me that these teams can maintain fan support at all unless they are absolutely dominating and sad people want to attach to that success.
Grew up as a kid living and dying with the Raiders. Essentially went away to college when they left for LA. Never was the same when they came back to the East Bay. Now my team is the only socialist ownership team in the country - the Packers ;-)82gradDLSdad said:LunchTime said:
The Raiders are a great example of why I cant get on board with pro sports. I have a hard time even tuning in for individuals like Lynch or Goff because I have such a distaste for pro sports.
They exist to take tax money from the location they are in, and return as little as possible. They have no regional connection and are eager to leave for a better tax-ripoff deal. Hardly anyone has been a part of the organization, so a tiny few have a personal connection. If you like an individual player, they are just as likely to leave the team as stay. There is literally nothing stable that would connect a fan to a team, IMO.
Raiders to LV. 49ers to SC. Warriors to SF. And that's just a 50 mile radius of where I grew up and 5 years. Its bonkers to me that these teams can maintain fan support at all unless they are absolutely dominating and sad people want to attach to that success.
It is truly mind boggling. I try not to watch any team that I used to care about because it makes me anxious when they are good and the games mean something. I can't enjoy it and so I tune out, for my health. It's stupid but I can't not care even though I don't. Cal football is the last hanger-oner. I can't let her go!!! And it drives me nuts.
LunchTime said:
...They exist to take tax money from the location they are in, and return as little as possible. They have no regional connection and are eager to leave for a better tax-ripoff deal.....
That comment hit home, particularly in this context. I had a girlfriend who did dump me twice - the second time was summer of 1974 and even though I had paid for a Raider season ticket next to her for the upcoming season, I never went to a game. That was my first introduction to the concept of "sunk cost".bearister said:RichyBear said:
I watched the Raiders play at Frank Youell Field. I watched the first game at the Collisium. Even after they move to LA I was at a SuperBowl party in 1984 (1983 SuperBowl) where every one went Crazy every time the Raiders scored.
But moving to Vegas is too much. The Raiders are DEAD to me. It's as if your wife left you for another. Then after a few years wanted to come back to you. You take her back. Then a few years later she says "I'am leaving you again for another man, but i'll stay with you until he gets out of jail and finds a job.'
Now every game the Raider lose makes my day.. At one time it would ruin my day.
BTW- to paraphrase Ray Stevens. Vegas has no class. I take that back, it has some class, but it's all low class.
No girl ever had to dump me twice.
There are not very many (and I would make a claim that there are very few) true examples of what you are pointing out, though.510 Bear said:Not entirely true. There's a reason the Raiders are a joke to NFL fans in the Midwest (well, outside StL anyway) - most of those cities have loyal fans, ownership and teams that stay put, and can't even imagine the idea of a team like the Raiders that have gone from Oakland to LA to Oakland and now to Vegas, shedding "fans" like a snake sheds its skin and leaving a trail of embarrassing failure along the way.LunchTime said:
The Raiders are a great example of why I cant get on board with pro sports. I have a hard time even tuning in for individuals like Lynch or Goff because I have such a distaste for pro sports.
They exist to take tax money from the location they are in, and return as little as possible. They have no regional connection and are eager to leave for a better tax-ripoff deal. Hardly anyone has been a part of the organization, so a tiny few have a personal connection. If you like an individual player, they are just as likely to leave the team as stay. There is literally nothing stable that would connect a fan to a team, IMO.
Raiders to LV. 49ers to SC. Warriors to SF. And that's just a 50 mile radius of where I grew up and 5 years. Its bonkers to me that these teams can maintain fan support at all unless they are absolutely dominating and sad people want to attach to that success.
