touchdownbears43 said:
Hmmmm familiarity seems to be the factor here. Zero recruiting bump. Seems to have coached a fair number of 1K rushers but at the DI-AA level. Hmmm....
Position coach and recruiting coordinator (he also is run game coordinator, which is a title to pay someone more money). Like the hire.Cal Strong! said:
Cal Strong see this as head scratcher. Not particularly strong hire.
To be fair, Cal Strong never heard of this guy. So maybe he surprise everyone and turn out to be strong.
But this also strongly fair to say -- Aristotle coach for 19 years and only became position coach at two small time programs. He went from one to a HS (Cal Strong assume he was fired). Then at his second job, no one tried to poach him for a decade. This not a strong sign.
Recruiting Coordinator at Poly, not Cal, right? Unless it's changed, Sirmon is the RC.wifeisafurd said:Position coach and recruiting coordinator (he also is run game coordinator, which is a title to pay someone more money). Like the hire.Cal Strong! said:
Cal Strong see this as head scratcher. Not particularly strong hire.
To be fair, Cal Strong never heard of this guy. So maybe he surprise everyone and turn out to be strong.
But this also strongly fair to say -- Aristotle coach for 19 years and only became position coach at two small time programs. He went from one to a HS (Cal Strong assume he was fired). Then at his second job, no one tried to poach him for a decade. This not a strong sign.
Sorry, this be weak post. Saying someone is not strong because YOU never heard of him = weak.Cal Strong! said:
Cal Strong see this as head scratcher. Not particularly strong hire.
To be fair, Cal Strong never heard of this guy. So maybe he surprise everyone and turn out to be strong.
But this also strongly fair to say -- Aristotle coach for 19 years and only became position coach at two small time programs. He went from one to a HS (Cal Strong assume he was fired). Then at his second job, no one tried to poach him for a decade. This not a strong sign.
Cal Strong! said:
Cal Strong see this as head scratcher. Not particularly strong hire.
To be fair, Cal Strong never heard of this guy. So maybe he surprise everyone and turn out to be strong.
But this also strongly fair to say -- Aristotle coach for 19 years and only became position coach at two small time programs. He went from one to a HS (Cal Strong assume he was fired). Then at his second job, no one tried to poach him for a decade. This not a strong sign.
Here's the good part- you have no clue on this. Neither do I. If we trust him on the hires we like, shouldn't we trust him on the ones we honestly have no idea on?bonsallbear said:
Good grief! It's this the best Wilcox could do? After a great hire in Musgrave, this is a total let down. What input did Musgrave have? This indeed is a head scratcher. We needed a solid recruiter and I don't see this as being the answer.
That works for me. In JT, sorry, JW we trust!Ncsf said:Here's the good part- you have no clue on this. Neither do I. If we trust him on the hires we like, shouldn't we trust him on the ones we honestly have no idea on?bonsallbear said:
Good grief! It's this the best Wilcox could do? After a great hire in Musgrave, this is a total let down. What input did Musgrave have? This indeed is a head scratcher. We needed a solid recruiter and I don't see this as being the answer.
Noticed the same and that might indeed be the case. I know it was for me and others...nwbear84 said:
One thought, totally without any knowledge or facts, so take it for what it's worth. Perhaps he stayed put at Cal Poly due to the age of his five kids. Maybe to not move the oldest from high school or just to spend more time with them. The oldest is 20, the younger ones 5-10, per his Cal Poly bio. I know I made career decisions at that point in my life as my job allowed the flexibility to spend more time with the kids.
Anyway, not a splashy hire, but I'll give him a chance and hope he uses this opportunity to expand his recruiting experience and contacts.
Yeah, I love it how some Cal fans know so much about college football that they can have an opinion on whether some not-so-well-known guy is going to be a good position coach or not.Unit2Sucks said:
Hard to judge a hire like this before we see results. He's not a big time coach who we had to pry away from another program. Here's hoping Wilcox and Musgrave know something that no one else does and that he works out for us.
You think JW and WM didn't work together on this?bonsallbear said:
Good grief! It's this the best Wilcox could do? After a great hire in Musgrave, this is a total let down. What input did Musgrave have? This indeed is a head scratcher. We needed a solid recruiter and I don't see this as being the answer.
Illiteracy WEAK! Ursa need to be more like Cal, less like weak illiterate. Cal not weak illiterate.UrsaMajor said:Sorry, this be weak post. Saying someone is not strong because YOU never heard of him = weak.Cal Strong! said:
Cal Strong see this as head scratcher. Not particularly strong hire.
To be fair, Cal Strong never heard of this guy. So maybe he surprise everyone and turn out to be strong.
But this also strongly fair to say -- Aristotle coach for 19 years and only became position coach at two small time programs. He went from one to a HS (Cal Strong assume he was fired). Then at his second job, no one tried to poach him for a decade. This not a strong sign.
Two thoughtsNcsf said:Here's the good part- you have no clue on this. Neither do I. If we trust him on the hires we like, shouldn't we trust him on the ones we honestly have no idea on?bonsallbear said:
Good grief! It's this the best Wilcox could do? After a great hire in Musgrave, this is a total let down. What input did Musgrave have? This indeed is a head scratcher. We needed a solid recruiter and I don't see this as being the answer.
ColoradoBear said:Recruiting Coordinator at Poly, not Cal, right? Unless it's changed, Sirmon is the RC.wifeisafurd said:Position coach and recruiting coordinator (he also is run game coordinator, which is a title to pay someone more money). Like the hire.Cal Strong! said:
Cal Strong see this as head scratcher. Not particularly strong hire.
To be fair, Cal Strong never heard of this guy. So maybe he surprise everyone and turn out to be strong.
But this also strongly fair to say -- Aristotle coach for 19 years and only became position coach at two small time programs. He went from one to a HS (Cal Strong assume he was fired). Then at his second job, no one tried to poach him for a decade. This not a strong sign.
Thompson made $76k at SLO. Cal has started their entry assistant coaches at around $175k, so I'd guess not much higher than that given no FBS experience on his resume.
Doesn't mean he won't work out, but it also could be that there was no money left for a more flashy/experienced hire.
But I'm personally not going to worry about it without seeing on field performance next fall.
yes, the response to a post saying he couldn't move beyond being a position coach, and in fact he did. I'm assuming that Sirmon will keep that title unless he move to DC if TDR gets a head coach offer that he takes. In that case, recruiting coordinator probably goes to Angus, Rangle or GA.ColoradoBear said:Recruiting Coordinator at Poly, not Cal, right? Unless it's changed, Sirmon is the RC.wifeisafurd said:Position coach and recruiting coordinator (he also is run game coordinator, which is a title to pay someone more money). Like the hire.Cal Strong! said:
Cal Strong see this as head scratcher. Not particularly strong hire.
To be fair, Cal Strong never heard of this guy. So maybe he surprise everyone and turn out to be strong.
But this also strongly fair to say -- Aristotle coach for 19 years and only became position coach at two small time programs. He went from one to a HS (Cal Strong assume he was fired). Then at his second job, no one tried to poach him for a decade. This not a strong sign.
Thompson made $76k at SLO. Cal has started their entry assistant coaches at around $175k, so I'd guess not much higher than that given no FBS experience on his resume.
Doesn't mean he won't work out, but it also could be that there was no money left for a more flashy/experienced hire.
But I'm personally not going to worry about it without seeing on field performance next fall.
bonsallbear said:Two thoughtsNcsf said:Here's the good part- you have no clue on this. Neither do I. If we trust him on the hires we like, shouldn't we trust him on the ones we honestly have no idea on?bonsallbear said:
Good grief! It's this the best Wilcox could do? After a great hire in Musgrave, this is a total let down. What input did Musgrave have? This indeed is a head scratcher. We needed a solid recruiter and I don't see this as being the answer.
1. Neither of us has a clue about his recruiting ability at a PAC 12 level. Has he successfully pulled recruits away from PAC 12 level schools? I was hoping for someone who has.
2. He has credentials for being a RB coach. Great! Hopefully he will succeed at this level.
An underwhelming hire from my perspective.
Has any knowledgeable person assessed the coaching our rb's got from the last guy? I read a lot that hyped them, but didn't see top level technique from them. Maybe I don't know enough about what I'm looking at, but...MoragaBear said:
At least Wilcox had two stints working with him so he's in a good position to know what he's getting and what his upside is at Cal.
This counts for a lot. Tedford hired some guys who weren't household names who turned out to be good, like Kieseau.MoragaBear said:
At least Wilcox had two stints working with him so he's in a good position to know what he's getting and what his upside is at Cal.