oskidunker said:

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Per John Wilner. May be announced tomorrow. Who we gonna play? Still SUC?

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concernedparent said:

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Cal8285 said:

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BearPatrol said:

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its almost like safety wasn't the reason and when everyone else called the bluff... the Big Ten and Pac 12 realized that wouldn't fly and rushed to get back in...

disappointing.

1. If this really is about player safety, we should not be playing.

2. If this was politic all along, that's a damn shame.

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Um, having daily testing makes a HUGE difference in player safety. But it was never all about player safety, it was also about community safety, because unless you are creating a bubble, players can spread the virus to others in the community.

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Well, it was mostly about $$$

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LunchTime said:

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Cal8285 said:

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BearPatrol said:

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its almost like safety wasn't the reason and when everyone else called the bluff... the Big Ten and Pac 12 realized that wouldn't fly and rushed to get back in...

disappointing.

1. If this really is about player safety, we should not be playing.

2. If this was politic all along, that's a damn shame.

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Um, having daily testing makes a HUGE difference in player safety. But it was never all about player safety, it was also about community safety, because unless you are creating a bubble, players can spread the virus to others in the community.

It isn't like the Pac-12 is rushing back in without a "game changer" having occurred. The daily testing is the game changer, in terms of both player safety and community safety. Hope that makes you less disappointed.

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It clearly doesnt make a difference in contact sports. To claim it does is anti-science.

We are told that you are contagious without testing positive for 0-22 days with 99% 0-14 days. Roughly 50% of people within 5 days. So daily testing allows a contagious player to spread it for up to two weeks before he is sequestered. In a sport where they are hugging each other every few seconds.

Testing is a trailing indicator that only works because it allows proactive contact tracing to quarantine contacted people for that 14 day period. NOT to prevent those people from getting it. Sports are not quarantining players who contacted the positive players. They just remove the positive player.

The alternative (probably reality) is to admit that people in that 14 day period are not significantly spreading it, and testing doesnt really change anything and the number of infected is largely irrelevant for populations that are not hording co-morbidity or are under 70. But then, again, testing doesnt really matter.


If we actually believed in science, we would sequester the elderly and other high risk and run the rest of the economy like normal. Instead every state sends their COVID patients that dont need acute ICU care to nursing homes and inpatient rehab facilities, where the HIGHEST risk people are, and then jerkoff about how stupid Trump is for letting 200k people die.

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ColoradoBear said:

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Oct 31st would allow for 7 games before the CCG on selection weekend - which is 5 division, + 2 cross division. Might be better to schedule 6 games only in case issues arise.

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LMK5 said:

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Just finished watching Central Florida at Georgia Tech. Lots of fans in the stands in downtown Atlanta and the cheerleaders and band were also present. If they can somehow do it, so can we. The age of cowering in place must end. Go Bears!

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Big C said:

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LMK5 said:

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Just finished watching Central Florida at Georgia Tech. Lots of fans in the stands in downtown Atlanta and the cheerleaders and band were also present. If they can somehow do it, so can we. The age of cowering in place must end. Go Bears!

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Aren't your kids in the Cal and UCLA Bands? How do you feel about them playing this fall? If they do, should they stay in their bubble, or can they come home to visit?

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LMK5 said:

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Big C said:

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LMK5 said:

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Just finished watching Central Florida at Georgia Tech. Lots of fans in the stands in downtown Atlanta and the cheerleaders and band were also present. If they can somehow do it, so can we. The age of cowering in place must end. Go Bears!

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Aren't your kids in the Cal and UCLA Bands? How do you feel about them playing this fall? If they do, should they stay in their bubble, or can they come home to visit?

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Yes they are! Thank you for remembering. I would love for them to march and play (and so would they). They would be socially-distanced while in the stands like the Georgia Tech band was. And yes, I would have no problem with them coming home to visit. If they need to get tested, I would hope the school could facilitate that or testing is free in my town.

Unfortunately I don't think there's a chance of them playing. The schools/state/counties are way too fearful. At UCLA they won't even let the kids use the tennis courts. They removed all the nets at the Sunset Courts LOL! The irony is that you're 78' away from your opponent when playing tennis.

Let's hope for the best.

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Big C said:

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LMK5 said:

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Big C said:

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LMK5 said:

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Just finished watching Central Florida at Georgia Tech. Lots of fans in the stands in downtown Atlanta and the cheerleaders and band were also present. If they can somehow do it, so can we. The age of cowering in place must end. Go Bears!

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Aren't your kids in the Cal and UCLA Bands? How do you feel about them playing this fall? If they do, should they stay in their bubble, or can they come home to visit?

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Yes they are! Thank you for remembering. I would love for them to march and play (and so would they). They would be socially-distanced while in the stands like the Georgia Tech band was. And yes, I would have no problem with them coming home to visit. If they need to get tested, I would hope the school could facilitate that or testing is free in my town.

Unfortunately I don't think there's a chance of them playing. The schools/state/counties are way too fearful. At UCLA they won't even let the kids use the tennis courts. They removed all the nets at the Sunset Courts LOL! The irony is that you're 78' away from your opponent when playing tennis.

Let's hope for the best.

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Well, having played in the Cal Band a bit, I remember that sort of thing. Honestly, unless the program were quite modified, you'd have to go into it figuring everybody was going to contract the virus and hope for a 200-person bubble of "herd mentality"[sic]. That cramped rehearsal hall, all the wind going through those instruments, the singing, etc. I feel especially bad for the students who were going to be Drum Major, Manager, Student Director and all that, which would've been the crowning achievement of their four years in the band.

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Big C said:

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LunchTime said:

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Cal8285 said:

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BearPatrol said:

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its almost like safety wasn't the reason and when everyone else called the bluff... the Big Ten and Pac 12 realized that wouldn't fly and rushed to get back in...

disappointing.

1. If this really is about player safety, we should not be playing.

2. If this was politic all along, that's a damn shame.

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Um, having daily testing makes a HUGE difference in player safety. But it was never all about player safety, it was also about community safety, because unless you are creating a bubble, players can spread the virus to others in the community.

It isn't like the Pac-12 is rushing back in without a "game changer" having occurred. The daily testing is the game changer, in terms of both player safety and community safety. Hope that makes you less disappointed.

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It clearly doesnt make a difference in contact sports. To claim it does is anti-science.

We are told that you are contagious without testing positive for 0-22 days with 99% 0-14 days. Roughly 50% of people within 5 days. So daily testing allows a contagious player to spread it for up to two weeks before he is sequestered. In a sport where they are hugging each other every few seconds.

Testing is a trailing indicator that only works because it allows proactive contact tracing to quarantine contacted people for that 14 day period. NOT to prevent those people from getting it. Sports are not quarantining players who contacted the positive players. They just remove the positive player.

The alternative (probably reality) is to admit that people in that 14 day period are not significantly spreading it, and testing doesnt really change anything and the number of infected is largely irrelevant for populations that are not hording co-morbidity or are under 70. But then, again, testing doesnt really matter.


If we actually believed in science, we would sequester the elderly and other high risk and run the rest of the economy like normal. Instead every state sends their COVID patients that dont need acute ICU care to nursing homes and inpatient rehab facilities, where the HIGHEST risk people are, and then jerkoff about how stupid Trump is for letting 200k people die.

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Sincere questions: If I'm reading your post correctly, you are saying that people with COVID-19 can spread the virus for several days before they even test positive?

I hadn't heard this, but, assuming it's true, how were countries in Asia able to crush their respective curves and virtually eliminate COVID-19 in their countries, supposedly through testing and contact tracing?

Or is it more a matter of masks and social distance?

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OdontoBear66 said:

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Big C said:

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LunchTime said:

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Cal8285 said:

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BearPatrol said:

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its almost like safety wasn't the reason and when everyone else called the bluff... the Big Ten and Pac 12 realized that wouldn't fly and rushed to get back in...

disappointing.

1. If this really is about player safety, we should not be playing.

2. If this was politic all along, that's a damn shame.

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Um, having daily testing makes a HUGE difference in player safety. But it was never all about player safety, it was also about community safety, because unless you are creating a bubble, players can spread the virus to others in the community.

It isn't like the Pac-12 is rushing back in without a "game changer" having occurred. The daily testing is the game changer, in terms of both player safety and community safety. Hope that makes you less disappointed.

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It clearly doesnt make a difference in contact sports. To claim it does is anti-science.

We are told that you are contagious without testing positive for 0-22 days with 99% 0-14 days. Roughly 50% of people within 5 days. So daily testing allows a contagious player to spread it for up to two weeks before he is sequestered. In a sport where they are hugging each other every few seconds.

Testing is a trailing indicator that only works because it allows proactive contact tracing to quarantine contacted people for that 14 day period. NOT to prevent those people from getting it. Sports are not quarantining players who contacted the positive players. They just remove the positive player.

The alternative (probably reality) is to admit that people in that 14 day period are not significantly spreading it, and testing doesnt really change anything and the number of infected is largely irrelevant for populations that are not hording co-morbidity or are under 70. But then, again, testing doesnt really matter.


If we actually believed in science, we would sequester the elderly and other high risk and run the rest of the economy like normal. Instead every state sends their COVID patients that dont need acute ICU care to nursing homes and inpatient rehab facilities, where the HIGHEST risk people are, and then jerkoff about how stupid Trump is for letting 200k people die.

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Sincere questions: If I'm reading your post correctly, you are saying that people with COVID-19 can spread the virus for several days before they even test positive?

I hadn't heard this, but, assuming it's true, how were countries in Asia able to crush their respective curves and virtually eliminate COVID-19 in their countries, supposedly through testing and contact tracing?

Or is it more a matter of masks and social distance?

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They definitely can spread the virus before they have symptoms because they can have the virus before having symptoms. There seems most often to be a lag of a few days before on is aware of the disease.

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Big C said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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Big C said:

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LunchTime said:

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Cal8285 said:

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BearPatrol said:

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its almost like safety wasn't the reason and when everyone else called the bluff... the Big Ten and Pac 12 realized that wouldn't fly and rushed to get back in...

disappointing.

1. If this really is about player safety, we should not be playing.

2. If this was politic all along, that's a damn shame.

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Um, having daily testing makes a HUGE difference in player safety. But it was never all about player safety, it was also about community safety, because unless you are creating a bubble, players can spread the virus to others in the community.

It isn't like the Pac-12 is rushing back in without a "game changer" having occurred. The daily testing is the game changer, in terms of both player safety and community safety. Hope that makes you less disappointed.

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It clearly doesnt make a difference in contact sports. To claim it does is anti-science.

We are told that you are contagious without testing positive for 0-22 days with 99% 0-14 days. Roughly 50% of people within 5 days. So daily testing allows a contagious player to spread it for up to two weeks before he is sequestered. In a sport where they are hugging each other every few seconds.

Testing is a trailing indicator that only works because it allows proactive contact tracing to quarantine contacted people for that 14 day period. NOT to prevent those people from getting it. Sports are not quarantining players who contacted the positive players. They just remove the positive player.

The alternative (probably reality) is to admit that people in that 14 day period are not significantly spreading it, and testing doesnt really change anything and the number of infected is largely irrelevant for populations that are not hording co-morbidity or are under 70. But then, again, testing doesnt really matter.


If we actually believed in science, we would sequester the elderly and other high risk and run the rest of the economy like normal. Instead every state sends their COVID patients that dont need acute ICU care to nursing homes and inpatient rehab facilities, where the HIGHEST risk people are, and then jerkoff about how stupid Trump is for letting 200k people die.

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Sincere questions: If I'm reading your post correctly, you are saying that people with COVID-19 can spread the virus for several days before they even test positive?

I hadn't heard this, but, assuming it's true, how were countries in Asia able to crush their respective curves and virtually eliminate COVID-19 in their countries, supposedly through testing and contact tracing?

Or is it more a matter of masks and social distance?

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They definitely can spread the virus before they have symptoms because they can have the virus before having symptoms. There seems most often to be a lag of a few days before on is aware of the disease.

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Yes, of course people can spread the virus before they have symptoms. Asymptomatic and presymptomatic spread are two of the factors that make COVID-19 so tricky.

The post I responded to seemed to say that people can spread the virus before they test positive and, most disturbingly, perhaps for several days before testing positive. Trickier still!

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sluggo said:

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Big C said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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Big C said:

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LunchTime said:

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Cal8285 said:

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BearPatrol said:

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its almost like safety wasn't the reason and when everyone else called the bluff... the Big Ten and Pac 12 realized that wouldn't fly and rushed to get back in...

disappointing.

1. If this really is about player safety, we should not be playing.

2. If this was politic all along, that's a damn shame.

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Um, having daily testing makes a HUGE difference in player safety. But it was never all about player safety, it was also about community safety, because unless you are creating a bubble, players can spread the virus to others in the community.

It isn't like the Pac-12 is rushing back in without a "game changer" having occurred. The daily testing is the game changer, in terms of both player safety and community safety. Hope that makes you less disappointed.

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It clearly doesnt make a difference in contact sports. To claim it does is anti-science.

We are told that you are contagious without testing positive for 0-22 days with 99% 0-14 days. Roughly 50% of people within 5 days. So daily testing allows a contagious player to spread it for up to two weeks before he is sequestered. In a sport where they are hugging each other every few seconds.

Testing is a trailing indicator that only works because it allows proactive contact tracing to quarantine contacted people for that 14 day period. NOT to prevent those people from getting it. Sports are not quarantining players who contacted the positive players. They just remove the positive player.

The alternative (probably reality) is to admit that people in that 14 day period are not significantly spreading it, and testing doesnt really change anything and the number of infected is largely irrelevant for populations that are not hording co-morbidity or are under 70. But then, again, testing doesnt really matter.


If we actually believed in science, we would sequester the elderly and other high risk and run the rest of the economy like normal. Instead every state sends their COVID patients that dont need acute ICU care to nursing homes and inpatient rehab facilities, where the HIGHEST risk people are, and then jerkoff about how stupid Trump is for letting 200k people die.

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Sincere questions: If I'm reading your post correctly, you are saying that people with COVID-19 can spread the virus for several days before they even test positive?

I hadn't heard this, but, assuming it's true, how were countries in Asia able to crush their respective curves and virtually eliminate COVID-19 in their countries, supposedly through testing and contact tracing?

Or is it more a matter of masks and social distance?

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They definitely can spread the virus before they have symptoms because they can have the virus before having symptoms. There seems most often to be a lag of a few days before on is aware of the disease.

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Yes, of course people can spread the virus before they have symptoms. Asymptomatic and presymptomatic spread are two of the factors that make COVID-19 so tricky.

The post I responded to seemed to say that people can spread the virus before they test positive and, most disturbingly, perhaps for several days before testing positive. Trickier still!

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But it is not true! To spread the virus you have to have the virus, and PCR can identify when one has a very low number of copies of the virus. The theory of rapid antigen tests is that there is a lag between getting the virus and spreading, so it can be detected with less sensitive methods then PCR and still be useful.

The lag is between spreading and symptoms, not spreading and testing positive. You can test positive BEFORE being able to spread.

Sluggo

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Big C said:

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LunchTime said:

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Cal8285 said:

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BearPatrol said:

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its almost like safety wasn't the reason and when everyone else called the bluff... the Big Ten and Pac 12 realized that wouldn't fly and rushed to get back in...

disappointing.

1. If this really is about player safety, we should not be playing.

2. If this was politic all along, that's a damn shame.

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Um, having daily testing makes a HUGE difference in player safety. But it was never all about player safety, it was also about community safety, because unless you are creating a bubble, players can spread the virus to others in the community.

It isn't like the Pac-12 is rushing back in without a "game changer" having occurred. The daily testing is the game changer, in terms of both player safety and community safety. Hope that makes you less disappointed.

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It clearly doesnt make a difference in contact sports. To claim it does is anti-science.

We are told that you are contagious without testing positive for 0-22 days with 99% 0-14 days. Roughly 50% of people within 5 days. So daily testing allows a contagious player to spread it for up to two weeks before he is sequestered. In a sport where they are hugging each other every few seconds.

Testing is a trailing indicator that only works because it allows proactive contact tracing to quarantine contacted people for that 14 day period. NOT to prevent those people from getting it. Sports are not quarantining players who contacted the positive players. They just remove the positive player.

The alternative (probably reality) is to admit that people in that 14 day period are not significantly spreading it, and testing doesnt really change anything and the number of infected is largely irrelevant for populations that are not hording co-morbidity or are under 70. But then, again, testing doesnt really matter.


If we actually believed in science, we would sequester the elderly and other high risk and run the rest of the economy like normal. Instead every state sends their COVID patients that dont need acute ICU care to nursing homes and inpatient rehab facilities, where the HIGHEST risk people are, and then jerkoff about how stupid Trump is for letting 200k people die.

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Sincere questions: If I'm reading your post correctly, you are saying that people with COVID-19 can spread the virus for several days before they even test positive?

I hadn't heard this, but, assuming it's true, how were countries in Asia able to crush their respective curves and virtually eliminate COVID-19 in their countries, supposedly through testing and contact tracing?

Or is it more a matter of masks and social distance?

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