My guess is this isn't legal. And it's also just poor form.Big C said:
A half-way balanced article. A reader could see the title and read the first few paragraphs w/o ever getting into the Chauca/Winston/McCullough situation.
For true balance, if Chauca is going to "reach out" to the Chronicle, then maybe the article should also mention his transgressions that contributed to his situation and how Jones took the high road with those..
Ah, you're probably right. Chauca's showing the "poor form" right now, but, yeah, two wrongs don't make a right. Taking the high road at this point probably means ignoring him.socaliganbear said:My guess is this isn't legal. And it's also just poor form.Big C said:
A half-way balanced article. A reader could see the title and read the first few paragraphs w/o ever getting into the Chauca/Winston/McCullough situation.
For true balance, if Chauca is going to "reach out" to the Chronicle, then maybe the article should also mention his transgressions that contributed to his situation and how Jones took the high road with those..
Coach Jones has certainly taken the high road considering the number of transgressions that Chauca committed. While I won't detail them, its outrageous that he reached out to the Chronicle to lambast our coach. Very easily, his scholarship aid could have been revoked. I will be at the games this season supporting the program and hope that we shall see substantial progress in competitiveness and conference wins.Big C said:Ah, you're probably right. Chauca's showing the "poor form" right now, but, yeah, two wrongs don't make a right. Taking the high road at this point probably means ignoring him.socaliganbear said:My guess is this isn't legal. And it's also just poor form.Big C said:
A half-way balanced article. A reader could see the title and read the first few paragraphs w/o ever getting into the Chauca/Winston/McCullough situation.
For true balance, if Chauca is going to "reach out" to the Chronicle, then maybe the article should also mention his transgressions that contributed to his situation and how Jones took the high road with those..
I don't know about Chauca, but what type of transgressions, if any, did McCullough and Winston commit?4thGenCal said:
Coach Jones has certainly taken the high road considering the number of transgressions that Chauca committed. While I won't detail them,
What other choice would he have? I would hope he is doing what he can to entice them to leave.concordtom said:
Though they won't be allowed to practice with the team, Jones has promised to honor the legally binding scholarships given to McCullough and Winston if they choose to stay at Cal. He said he has even worked with his video department to create highlight reels and talked to coaches of lower-level programs in an effort to find transfer possibilities.
None that we know of. You're familiar with the whole story: What's your point?concordtom said:I don't know about Chauca, but what type of transgressions, if any, did McCullough and Winston commit?4thGenCal said:
Coach Jones has certainly taken the high road considering the number of transgressions that Chauca committed. While I won't detail them,
The main point of the article was that Wyking Jones is, out of necessity, remaking pretty much his entire roster over the course of a two-year span.concordtom said:
The chronicle article leaves much info out of the story, leaves existing questions unanswered.
In other words, useless reporting, no?
It's amazing enough that the Comical even had an article on Cal (the only one in several weeks other than the Lindsay Gottlieb/SWA kerfluffle).Big C said:The main point of the article was that Wyking Jones is, out of necessity, remaking pretty much his entire roster over the course of a two-year span.concordtom said:
The chronicle article leaves much info out of the story, leaves existing questions unanswered.
In other words, useless reporting, no?
It was not meant to be an in-depth investigative report on "ChaucaWinstonMcCulloughGate". And the fact that it is not indicates the level of interest and importance that this story has for the average sports fan in Northern California.
The article does admit that that Jones created the situation by hastily recruiting two guys who were not ready for D1. But he also created it by trying to force them from the team the way he did.Civil Bear said:What other choice would he have? I would hope he is doing what he can to entice them to leave.concordtom said:
Though they won't be allowed to practice with the team, Jones has promised to honor the legally binding scholarships given to McCullough and Winston if they choose to stay at Cal. He said he has even worked with his video department to create highlight reels and talked to coaches of lower-level programs in an effort to find transfer possibilities.
My point is that McCullough and Winston committed no transgressions.so why should they be run off?Big C said:None that we know of. You're familiar with the whole story: What's your point?concordtom said:I don't know about Chauca, but what type of transgressions, if any, did McCullough and Winston commit?4thGenCal said:
Coach Jones has certainly taken the high road considering the number of transgressions that Chauca committed. While I won't detail them,
I brought up Chauca and his transgressions because he has come forward to the media to talk about "his truth", but the entire truth paints him in a less flattering light.
Correct. As a run of the mill "oh, Cal basketball for first time in months in 200 words or less...", it was fine.Big C said:The main point of the article was that Wyking Jones is, out of necessity, remaking pretty much his entire roster over the course of a two-year span.concordtom said:
The chronicle article leaves much info out of the story, leaves existing questions unanswered.
In other words, useless reporting, no?
It was not meant to be an in-depth investigative report on "ChaucaWinstonMcCulloughGate". And the fact that it is not indicates the level of interest and importance that this story has for the average sports fan in Northern California.
concordtom said:The article does admit that that Jones created the situation by hastily recruiting two guys who were not ready for D1. But he also created it by trying to force them from the team the way he did.Civil Bear said:What other choice would he have? I would hope he is doing what he can to entice them to leave.concordtom said:
Though they won't be allowed to practice with the team, Jones has promised to honor the legally binding scholarships given to McCullough and Winston if they choose to stay at Cal. He said he has even worked with his video department to create highlight reels and talked to coaches of lower-level programs in an effort to find transfer possibilities.
He created the whole situation, the whole mess here, not them!
Of course he has no other choice but to honor.
Chapman is spot on. At least Jones knows that drastic changes must be made and is not afraid to act on the hard choices. Regardless, if significant progress is not made this next season, Knowlton will have no choice but to replace Jones.Chapman_is_Gone said:
All the outcome of a completely unqualified coach being hired by [unqualified, Bear19 insert] Mike Williams. And all entirely predictable.
helltopay1 said:
Dear Concord: If you give me a choice between having a serial killer who can play and a boy scout who can't play, I'm going with the serial killer. after all, as nancy Pelosi said, " we're all Gods children and we need to exercise some mercy and patience.""She actually said that.
I can't. The regents RARELY involve themselve in that kind of minutia and it is a damm good thing.oskidunker said:
I can understand why they would do that.
Great Post. I really enjoyed it. Puts everything in perspective and brings forth the reality of the situationconcordtom said:My point is that McCullough and Winston committed no transgressions.so why should they be run off?Big C said:None that we know of. You're familiar with the whole story: What's your point?concordtom said:I don't know about Chauca, but what type of transgressions, if any, did McCullough and Winston commit?4thGenCal said:
Coach Jones has certainly taken the high road considering the number of transgressions that Chauca committed. While I won't detail them,
I brought up Chauca and his transgressions because he has come forward to the media to talk about "his truth", but the entire truth paints him in a less flattering light.
How about this. If Jones were not in with other recruits like Brown, needing their slots, he would NOT have asked M&W to leave. But he was, and he did. And when they said "no, we are staying" then the narrative is that he maligned them and tried to make their lives hell, hell enough to leave, by saying, "okay then, you're not going to play, practice, or get any other benefits associated with being part of the team. You are a wart upon the team and banished." That's the way I see it played out, and that's f'd up, man!
So, Jones' errors:
1.RecruitedCommitted (per conference rules) 4 year slots to borderline guys.
2.RecruitedCommitted (per conference rules) 4 year slots to borderline talent who he thought he could easily excuse and replace if they were borderline, or if he could catch better fish.
3. Getting caught up in a bad PR position by playing his cards to excuse them in a way where he looks like the bad guy.
Now his rep is hurt and so is the team. He'd better hope the remaining guys can win big and save his fanny so that this gets forgotten. Otherwise, fatal errors.
If I am one of the parents and a lame duck AD or a temporary AD dont care, then I go up the chain of command. Obviously The Chancellor was of no help.Friends have emails to her continue to go in a black hole. Would be curious if she met with the parents and what transpired. She obviously supported the way Jones handeled this.socaltownie said:I can't. The regents RARELY involve themselve in that kind of minutia and it is a damm good thing.oskidunker said:
I can understand why they would do that.
I am assuming that you and Concordtom have been in the conversations between Jones and the two players as well as had lengthy conversations with the Chancellor so that you can speak authoritatively about what WJ did or did not say and do. Other than the hacks at CGB, I have heard nothing that suggests that Jones is "making their lives hell." My understanding from those who are much closer to the department than I'm guessing you are is that Jones has been clear that he will NOT try to force the players out, but will try to help them find another program if they choose to go that route. Unfortunately, Deshon's father's public statements are making that harder for him.oskidunker said:If I am one of the parents and a lame duck AD or a temporary AD dont care, then I go up the chain of command. Obviously The Chancellor was of no help.Friends have emails to her continue to go in a black hole. Would be curious if she met with the parents and what transpired. She obviously supported the way Jones handeled this.socaltownie said:I can't. The regents RARELY involve themselve in that kind of minutia and it is a damm good thing.oskidunker said:
I can understand why they would do that.
Its their right to pursue this to whatever level they feel appropriate
I suppose we could just say Go Bears and dissparage the parents and the players for not walking the company
Line. It is just possible that their education is more important than rolling over to support a coach who,s only goal is to win games.
Its not just one player. Its three, maybe four.
Sure it is there right but this is ABSOLUTELY what you don't want the regents to do. Slipperly slope - what about a parent going to the regents after an "unfair test" which could keep buffy out of Harvard Med cause she got a "B".oskidunker said:If I am one of the parents and a lame duck AD or a temporary AD dont care, then I go up the chain of command. Obviously The Chancellor was of no help.Friends have emails to her continue to go in a black hole. Would be curious if she met with the parents and what transpired. She obviously supported the way Jones handeled this.socaltownie said:I can't. The regents RARELY involve themselve in that kind of minutia and it is a damm good thing.oskidunker said:
I can understand why they would do that.
Its their right to pursue this to whatever level they feel appropriate
I suppose we could just say Go Bears and dissparage the parents and the players for not walking the company
Line. It is just possible that their education is more important than rolling over to support a coach who,s only goal is to win games.
Its not just one player. Its three, maybe four.
SCT:socaltownie said:Sure it is there right but this is ABSOLUTELY what you don't want the regents to do. Slipperly slope - what about a parent going to the regents after an "unfair test" which could keep buffy out of Harvard Med cause she got a "B".oskidunker said:If I am one of the parents and a lame duck AD or a temporary AD dont care, then I go up the chain of command. Obviously The Chancellor was of no help.Friends have emails to her continue to go in a black hole. Would be curious if she met with the parents and what transpired. She obviously supported the way Jones handeled this.socaltownie said:I can't. The regents RARELY involve themselve in that kind of minutia and it is a damm good thing.oskidunker said:
I can understand why they would do that.
Its their right to pursue this to whatever level they feel appropriate
I suppose we could just say Go Bears and dissparage the parents and the players for not walking the company
Line. It is just possible that their education is more important than rolling over to support a coach who,s only goal is to win games.
Its not just one player. Its three, maybe four.
And yeah - it is about the same. Jones has been clear he is going to honor the scholarship if the kids want to stay. But playing BB is not a right, it is a privilege.
Now understand, I am NOT a Jones fan. We will be a single win team next year and then, thank god, changes will be made. But you have to let a coach make these sorts of decisions. The alternative will be much much worse.
oskidunker said:If I am one of the parents and a lame duck AD or a temporary AD dont care, then I go up the chain of command. Obviously The Chancellor was of no help.Friends have emails to her continue to go in a black hole. Would be curious if she met with the parents and what transpired. She obviously supported the way Jones handeled this.socaltownie said:I can't. The regents RARELY involve themselve in that kind of minutia and it is a damm good thing.oskidunker said:
I can understand why they would do that.
Its their right to pursue this to whatever level they feel appropriate
I suppose we could just say Go Bears and dissparage the parents and the players for not walking the company
Line. It is just possible that their education is more important than rolling over to support a coach who,s only goal is to win games.
Its not just one player. Its three, maybe four.
UrsaMajor said:I am assuming that you and Concordtom have been in the conversations between Jones and the two players as well as had lengthy conversations with the Chancellor so that you can speak authoritatively about what WJ did or did not say and do. Other than the hacks at CGB, I have heard nothing that suggests that Jones is "making their lives hell." My understanding from those who are much closer to the department than I'm guessing you are is that Jones has been clear that he will NOT try to force the players out, but will try to help them find another program if they choose to go that route. Unfortunately, Deshon's father's public statements are making that harder for him.oskidunker said:If I am one of the parents and a lame duck AD or a temporary AD dont care, then I go up the chain of command. Obviously The Chancellor was of no help.Friends have emails to her continue to go in a black hole. Would be curious if she met with the parents and what transpired. She obviously supported the way Jones handeled this.socaltownie said:I can't. The regents RARELY involve themselve in that kind of minutia and it is a damm good thing.oskidunker said:
I can understand why they would do that.
Its their right to pursue this to whatever level they feel appropriate
I suppose we could just say Go Bears and dissparage the parents and the players for not walking the company
Line. It is just possible that their education is more important than rolling over to support a coach who,s only goal is to win games.
Its not just one player. Its three, maybe four.
Ursa,UrsaMajor said:SCT:socaltownie said:Sure it is there right but this is ABSOLUTELY what you don't want the regents to do. Slipperly slope - what about a parent going to the regents after an "unfair test" which could keep buffy out of Harvard Med cause she got a "B".oskidunker said:If I am one of the parents and a lame duck AD or a temporary AD dont care, then I go up the chain of command. Obviously The Chancellor was of no help.Friends have emails to her continue to go in a black hole. Would be curious if she met with the parents and what transpired. She obviously supported the way Jones handeled this.socaltownie said:I can't. The regents RARELY involve themselve in that kind of minutia and it is a damm good thing.oskidunker said:
I can understand why they would do that.
Its their right to pursue this to whatever level they feel appropriate
I suppose we could just say Go Bears and dissparage the parents and the players for not walking the company
Line. It is just possible that their education is more important than rolling over to support a coach who,s only goal is to win games.
Its not just one player. Its three, maybe four.
And yeah - it is about the same. Jones has been clear he is going to honor the scholarship if the kids want to stay. But playing BB is not a right, it is a privilege.
Now understand, I am NOT a Jones fan. We will be a single win team next year and then, thank god, changes will be made. But you have to let a coach make these sorts of decisions. The alternative will be much much worse.
I assume you meant single DIGIT win team. If you genuinely believe we will go 1-31 next year, I am willing to bet you any amount of money including my house.
