Competitive first quarter so far
He is Dellavedova 2.0!bearister said:
I'm having a hard time with that JR "Finals take out" Klay tackle.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/ftw.usatoday.com/2018/05/nba-playoffs-cleveland-cavaliers-jr-smith-dirty-boston-celtics-al-horford-video/amp
wifeisafurd said:
Reversal of charging foul was strange. Are they gonna look back at ever foul now, or just at critical times? Didn't understand the reason for reversal either. Can some guys with ref experience explain?
You just don't know the rule. From the NBA:TrueBlue42 said:
Not a charge. LeBron tries to set his feet initially, then realizes he's still out of position and tries a last second shuffle. His right foot was still off the ground when contact was initiated. Typical LeBron, says "as good a play as I've ever made" lol.
Cavs now have the perfect excuse to get swept. I bet Lebron puts up 50+ in the elimination game as his ode to Cleveland.
The feet do not need to be set. The torso just needs to beat the offensive player to the spot.Quote:
A block/charge foul occurs when a defender tries to get in front of his man to stop him from going in that direction. If he does not get into a legal defensive position and contact occurs, it is a blocking foul. If he gets to a legal position and the offensive player runs into him it is an offensive foul. In both situations, if the contact is marginal, no foul may be called. To get into a legal position defending against the dribble, the defender needs to get his torso directly in the path and beat him to the spot. On a drive to the basket, the defender must get to his position before the shooter starts his upward shooting motion.
Meh. When your 270 lbs your not going to get away with sliding forward leading with your shoulder into the path of the shooter. LeBron was clearly trying to bait that call vs make a play on the ball or get a block.GMP said:You just don't know the rule. From the NBA:TrueBlue42 said:
Not a charge. LeBron tries to set his feet initially, then realizes he's still out of position and tries a last second shuffle. His right foot was still off the ground when contact was initiated. Typical LeBron, says "as good a play as I've ever made" lol.
Cavs now have the perfect excuse to get swept. I bet Lebron puts up 50+ in the elimination game as his ode to Cleveland.The feet do not need to be set. The torso just needs to beat the offensive player to the spot.Quote:
A block/charge foul occurs when a defender tries to get in front of his man to stop him from going in that direction. If he does not get into a legal defensive position and contact occurs, it is a blocking foul. If he gets to a legal position and the offensive player runs into him it is an offensive foul. In both situations, if the contact is marginal, no foul may be called. To get into a legal position defending against the dribble, the defender needs to get his torso directly in the path and beat him to the spot. On a drive to the basket, the defender must get to his position before the shooter starts his upward shooting motion.
http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html
I wasn't arguing the call. It was certainly a close call. I was arguing your misunderstanding of the rule, which led you to incorrectly believe it wasn't a close call.TrueBlue42 said:Meh. When your 270 lbs your not going to get away with sliding forward leading with your shoulder into the path of the shooter. LeBron was clearly trying to bait that call vs make a play on the ball or get a block.GMP said:You just don't know the rule. From the NBA:TrueBlue42 said:
Not a charge. LeBron tries to set his feet initially, then realizes he's still out of position and tries a last second shuffle. His right foot was still off the ground when contact was initiated. Typical LeBron, says "as good a play as I've ever made" lol.
Cavs now have the perfect excuse to get swept. I bet Lebron puts up 50+ in the elimination game as his ode to Cleveland.The feet do not need to be set. The torso just needs to beat the offensive player to the spot.Quote:
A block/charge foul occurs when a defender tries to get in front of his man to stop him from going in that direction. If he does not get into a legal defensive position and contact occurs, it is a blocking foul. If he gets to a legal position and the offensive player runs into him it is an offensive foul. In both situations, if the contact is marginal, no foul may be called. To get into a legal position defending against the dribble, the defender needs to get his torso directly in the path and beat him to the spot. On a drive to the basket, the defender must get to his position before the shooter starts his upward shooting motion.
http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html
Its a catch 22, LeBron loves to flop and bait calls, but that reputation costs you in crunch time when the refs tend to let things play out.
That's how I've always thought about the difference between MJ and LeBron. I honestly think LeBron would knowingly flop on a crucial play if a title was on the line. I don't think MJ would make that decision. Maybe I'm being romantic, but LeBron's antics are hard to watch, and diminish the situations where he actually is hurt (like last night when he was clearly poked in the eye).
I had the same thought last night - why are they switching?ducky23 said:
I understand not going under the screen against harden/Paul, but against lebron?
If lebron scorches you from 3, so be it. Much better than lebron going 1 on 1 against Steph.
wifeisafurd said:
Reversal of charging foul was strange. Are they gonna look back at ever foul now, or just at critical times? Didn't understand the reason for reversal either. Can some guys with ref experience explain?
It had to be called something on the floor otherwise there's nothing to review. In order to review using the rule in question the call has to be made as either "it's a charge but we're not sure if the defender was too deep" or "it's a block only because we thought that the defender was too deep and we want to check". If they called a block on the floor because Lebron was not in legal guarding position then there is nothing to replay. If they didn't call a foul then there is nothing to replay.OaktownBear said:wifeisafurd said:
Reversal of charging foul was strange. Are they gonna look back at ever foul now, or just at critical times? Didn't understand the reason for reversal either. Can some guys with ref experience explain?
My understanding is it wasn't a reversal. They didn't actually make a call on the floor. It was originally thought a charge on television because the official in the frame started to make that call, but the other official started to call blocking and they looked at each other and said "uh oh".
That is what I thought as well, but I was watching someone in the postgame analysis (I don't remember who, I was flipping around a little) suggest that the two officials had conflicting calls, and they went to review to decide which way to go. I don't know whether they actually made a call on the floor before the review or not.boredom said:It had to be called something on the floor otherwise there's nothing to review. In order to review using the rule in question the call has to be made as either "it's a charge but we're not sure if the defender was too deep" or "it's a block only because we thought that the defender was too deep and we want to check". If they called a block on the floor because Lebron was not in legal guarding position then there is nothing to replay. If they didn't call a foul then there is nothing to replay.OaktownBear said:wifeisafurd said:
Reversal of charging foul was strange. Are they gonna look back at ever foul now, or just at critical times? Didn't understand the reason for reversal either. Can some guys with ref experience explain?
My understanding is it wasn't a reversal. They didn't actually make a call on the floor. It was originally thought a charge on television because the official in the frame started to make that call, but the other official started to call blocking and they looked at each other and said "uh oh".
LOUMFSG2 said:That is what I thought as well, but I was watching someone in the postgame analysis (I don't remember who, I was flipping around a little) suggest that the two officials had conflicting calls, and they went to review to decide which way to go. I don't know whether they actually made a call on the floor before the review or not.boredom said:It had to be called something on the floor otherwise there's nothing to review. In order to review using the rule in question the call has to be made as either "it's a charge but we're not sure if the defender was too deep" or "it's a block only because we thought that the defender was too deep and we want to check". If they called a block on the floor because Lebron was not in legal guarding position then there is nothing to replay. If they didn't call a foul then there is nothing to replay.OaktownBear said:wifeisafurd said:
Reversal of charging foul was strange. Are they gonna look back at ever foul now, or just at critical times? Didn't understand the reason for reversal either. Can some guys with ref experience explain?
My understanding is it wasn't a reversal. They didn't actually make a call on the floor. It was originally thought a charge on television because the official in the frame started to make that call, but the other official started to call blocking and they looked at each other and said "uh oh".
concordtom said:
One baseline official in replay background makes "charge" gesture but looks at other before finalizing the call.
In other replay view, we see the guy he looks at, who initially makes "block" gesture, but he looks at the baseline ref.
For a split second, they are both in a holding pattern wondering who is going to win out. The baseline official instantly decides to just finish the call while the top official allows him to.
I don't have a problem with them deciding, "you know what, it's a big moment in the game, let's use the rule to look at it and decide."
Brian Windhorst, the espn reporter who follows Cleveland, was on First Take after Stephen A and Mike Greenberg on Get Up only want to complain, and he minced few words, "but you know what? They got the call right."
End of story for me! I heard the espn announcer explain that the refs contradicted each other. I saw just that on replay. And live, I saw it as a charge, but they explained that the NBA rule is very different from college, and so I'll rely on the replay judgment, and the hometown reporter, who just grew in honesty stature with me.
Hopefully on Sunday too.oskidunker said:
Durant will have a better game tomorrow.
oskidunker said:
Durant will have a better game tomorrow.