calumnus said:
OaktownBear said:
calumnus said:
MoragaBear said:
They didn't need to be injury retirements to keep their scholarships but they had no injuries of note for the team to claim an injury retirement to get the schollies back if they decided to remain.
Exactly. If the kids were being "malicious" they would have stayed at Cal on scholarship and gotten degrees, or at least not have left until they had another scholarship offer. We would not be able to use those scholarships during that time. I am sure that leaving for CCSF was not their first choice. I am sure they were hoping for scholarship offers at a D1 or D2 school. Leaving for CCSF and giving back the scholarships was a great outcome for the program. Finding out about it in August is about as good as we could expect. Being upset they didn't inform Jones directly? That just seems very petty. They did Jones a huge favor, but I don't think they "owed" him anything.
I don't really care about this because I don't think they owed us any favors, but I think you are way off here.
I'm also sure that CCSF was not their first choice. But what is clear from their decision to go to CCSF is that BASKETBALL was their first choice. Because going to a JC was always going to be something that was available. Clearly there was never any intent to stay for the education and get their degree. If there was, having no good basketball options, they would have hung up the sneakers and grabbed the best scholarship deal they are ever going to get by staying at Cal. I think it is obvious they knew as soon as Wyking told them they would not be on the team that they were going to leave at the end of the semester. They knew Cal wanted to use the scholarships this Fall. They knew Cal couldn't use the scholarships for this Fall if they did not inform Cal of their decision. It made zero difference to them if they told Cal in the Spring or just didn't show up in August. Having no scholarship offer to take, they didn't need to make their decision known. So they didn't. I have a hard time believing that the decision not to tell us was not payback.
Your "if they were being malicious" scenarios make no sense because to do either, they would have to hurt themselves. They want to play basketball. If they stay at Cal for the degree, they can't play basketball. Not leaving until they get another scholarship offer would make no sense. Sitting at Cal isn't getting them an offer. To get an offer they need to play somewhere to demonstrate they are worth it. Hence, they need to go to a JC to play. So yes, they could have been more malicious by staying at Cal longer, but they pretty much would have ended their basketball careers by doing so.
By not telling Cal they would not be here in the Fall, they hurt Cal as much as they could without badly hurting themselves. Hurting Cal any more would have come at great cost to them. (I know you and I think a Cal degree is a great consolation prize, but if they agreed, they wouldn't be at CCSF now) C'mon man. They didn't tell us because they knew it would hurt us. As I said, I get it. We dumped them. When your significant other dumps you, you don't help her move her stuff to her new boyfriend's place. But let's not pretend that not telling us had anything to do with anything other than making sure we couldn't use the scholarships this year.
You are missing my point. This result, getting 2 scholarships well in time for the 2019 class is probably the best possible result for the program. Especially when a possibility (probably the best for the kids) was not having them back for three years. Sure, getting them for late additions to the 2018 class might have been "better" but we obviously had a slot for the grad transfer, so I don't think we missed on any major targets. Worse, Jones might have used them for two more reaches/projects which is how we got into this problem in the first place. So given that the result is so much in our favor, I find it really reprehensible that people on this board are complaining about their actions.
Timing is everything!
By the way: It is hard for me to imagine a better scenario for Winston and McCullough than SFCC (except that it would have been far better for all concerned if they'd make the switch a lot earlier).
People on this Board (not me) who criticize WJ & the rest of the staff would never do other than wildly praise SFCC's coach (who, by the way, has the record to justify such praise).
So, I have no reason to assume other than these two guys are going to get the best shot possible, not only in possible playing time, but especially in coaching them up to whatever their potential might be (and I'm not one to jump on the "they're just not good enough" bandwagon - ask Harris-Dyson about Winston, who torched him for 42 in a H.S. Playoff game -- I know almost nothing about McCullough, so my mind is virtually totally open about him).
I remain angry at them for doing the dirty to our program; but my religion forbids me from wishing them ill.