UCBerkGrad said:

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This entire thread is bizarre and disturbing...starting with original topic to the strange in-fighting among fellow posters. Throw in some homophobia and a pinch of misogyny. Great work boys and girls!

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Just this.

What about Chauca? Maybe he had an influence on Bird.

oskidunker said:

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What about Chauca? Maybe he had an influence on Bird.

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C'mon now there's no evidence to finger Chauca as having played any role in this.

Chapman_is_Gone said:

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oskidunker said:

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What about Chauca? Maybe he had an influence on Bird.

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C'mon now there's no evidence to finger Chauca as having played any role in this.

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Yikes!

Just kidding

concordtom said:

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Jabari made the front page at Yahoo.
Not their sports page.
Their FRONT page.
While a hurricane demolishes North Carolina.

Wow.

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What's Yahoo?

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Dear GMP: You got everything wrong about my post. I was responding to the post which lamented the presence of two male cheerleaders for the LA Rams. I merely observed that this was one more manifestation of the feminization of the american male which has been going on for many decades. My post had nothing to do with the lamentable Jabari Bird situation. Two different topics---two different conversations.

UCBerkGrad said:

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This entire thread is bizarre and disturbing...starting with original topic to the strange in-fighting among fellow posters. Throw in some homophobia and a pinch of misogyny. Great work boys and girls!

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You don't understand. We are sports fans, Cal fans, whose major sports teams have mostly been missing in action from any award ceremonies for almost 60 years, and we all bring great knowledge to these discussions and can't understand why everyone does not agree with us on why Cal continues to lose. In frustration, knowing that bashing the opposing teams will not help us win, nor will bashing our coaches and players, we take out our frustrations on each other. We eat our own, as it were. All this has created an animosity toward one another, and in slow times, like the off season, we take to attacking each other for almost anything. The Jabari Bird incident only provides us with a new stage on which to vent our frustrations on other fans who don't see life like we do, we who know everything and the cure for it.

As for me, I am trying to decide whether to deal with the many uninsured incompetent drivers who will clog up the Bay Bridge or venture underground into BART and have the deal with all the violent muggers the BART police are trying to protect me from, on my planned trip to Berkeley Saturday to watch the Bears play football vs Idaho State. The only reason I am going is that chance of seeing a win that will springboard us, maybe to the Rose Bowl. Such is the life of this Cal fan.

No, SF. You are not going in hopes of watching a win that might springboard us to the rose bowl.
You are going because you want to recall your glory days in Berkeley, get out have some fresh air, and keep living life - as well you and we all should!

Go Bears!!!

SFCityBear said:

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....You don't understand. We are sports fans, Cal fans, whose major sports teams have mostly been missing in action from any award ceremonies for almost 60 years, and we all bring great knowledge to these discussions and can't understand why everyone does not agree with us on why Cal continues to lose. In frustration, knowing that bashing the opposing teams will not help us win, nor will bashing our coaches and players, we take out our frustrations on each other. We eat our own, as it were. All this has created an animosity toward one another....

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Someone can fill in the missing facts here but my Senior year, the '75 football season (Roth and Muncie) U$C played FUCLA and the outcome of that game determined whether Cal went the Rose Bowl or not. The team that Cal was rooting for in that game had the game won (I can't remember anymore) and then clearly tanked the game to keep Cal out of the Rose Bowl. I was watching that game in a frat with about 10 guys and we were plenty drunk. After the game we wrestled, punched and dog piled each other for a couple of hours. No emergency room visits but a living example of SFCityBear's "eat our own" statement.

McKay would not kick the tying field goal which would have put us in the Rosebowl. That ****er Vince Evans went on to play in the nfl could not complete a pass in the 4th quarter. Usc was running at will for three quarters but McKay decided to abandon the run to keep Cal out of the Rosebowl.

oskidunker said:

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McKay would not kick the tying field goal which would have put us in the Rosebowl. That ****er Vince Evans went on to play in the nfl could not complete a pass in the 4th quarter. Usc was running at will for three quarters but McKay decided to abandon the run to keep Cal out of the Rosebowl.

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Thank you, Sir! I had a buddy, Dan Medlin, that played for the Raiders and was traded to Tampa Bay at the end of his career. He told me John McKay was bat guano crazy.

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SFCityBear said:

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....You don't understand. We are sports fans, Cal fans, whose major sports teams have mostly been missing in action from any award ceremonies for almost 60 years, and we all bring great knowledge to these discussions and can't understand why everyone does not agree with us on why Cal continues to lose. In frustration, knowing that bashing the opposing teams will not help us win, nor will bashing our coaches and players, we take out our frustrations on each other. We eat our own, as it were. All this has created an animosity toward one another....

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Someone can fill in the missing facts here but my Senior year, the '75 football season (Roth and Muncie) U$C played FUCLA and the outcome of that game determined whether Cal went the Rose Bowl or not. The team that Cal was rooting for in that game had the game won (I can't remember anymore) and then clearly tanked the game to keep Cal out of the Rose Bowl. I was watching that game in a frat with about 10 guys and we were plenty drunk. After the game we wrestled, punched and dog piled each other for a couple of hours. No emergency room visits but a living example of SFCityBear's "eat our own" statement.

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I hate to say this, but earlier in the season, the Bears had their chance to win the right to go to the Rose Bowl by beating UCLA themselves and failed, when Muncie dropped a wide open 4th down pass over the middle at Memorial Stadium. I was there and saw it happen.

concordtom said:

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No, SF. You are not going in hopes of watching a win that might springboard us to the rose bowl.
You are going because you want to recall your glory days in Berkeley, get out have some fresh air, and keep living life - as well you and we all should!

Go Bears!!!

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No, Tom, you've got me wrong again. I know why I'm going and it is as I said. I had my glory days before and after Cal, but very little glory while at Cal. I arrived at Cal in the fall of '59, after the '58 Rose Bowl team, and after the '59 NCAA basketball championship. The only glory I experienced was rooting for Cal the 1959-60 season, which was maybe the best team Cal ever had, only to see them get slaughtered in the NCAA Final at the Cow Palace. The next season, I was so confident we were going to Kansas City for the Final Four, I stayed up all night camped in front of Eshleman Hall in the rain, to buy my tickets for KC. Cal didn't even win the conference, finishing 4th. In the next 4 seasons, the best Cal could do was finish 3rd on '64 in the 6-team AAWU conference. As to personal glory at Cal, I had little, failing to make the basketball team in fall '59.

Football was even worse. Cal had a losing season every year of 5 years that I was there, except 1964, where we finished 5-5. There were years where we won only one game.

What I like to recall about Cal was many good friends, some good classes and profs, and walks through the campus with a fine girlfriend(s). And all the silly and fun stuff one does while growing up.

I go to these games not to recall my days at Berkeley, but to forget them, my days as a Cal fan, at least. And I go in hopes of seeing Cal win a Rose Bowl as my Dad saw in 1937, and see Cal win another NCAA title like he and I saw on TV in 1959. That's it, pure and simple.

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oskidunker said:

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McKay would not kick the tying field goal which would have put us in the Rosebowl. That ****er Vince Evans went on to play in the nfl could not complete a pass in the 4th quarter. Usc was running at will for three quarters but McKay decided to abandon the run to keep Cal out of the Rosebowl.

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Thank you, Sir! I had a buddy, Dan Medlin, that played for the Raiders and was traded to Tampa Bay at the end of his career. He told me John McKay was bat guano crazy.

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McKay said he wanted to beat Stanford by 2,000 points. What is crazy about that? Maybe not physically possible, but something good to shoot for, I'd say.

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I hate to say this, but earlier in the season, the Bears had their chance to win the right to go to the Rose Bowl by beating UCLA themselves and failed, when Muncie dropped a wide open 4th down pass over the middle at Memorial Stadium. I was there and saw it happen.

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With all due respect, SFCity, Cal tied for the Pac8 Championship in 1975, and Cal visited the Coliseum to play UCLA that year. Cal lost to UCLA 28-14, and since they won the head-to-head, they went to the Rose Bowl. I remember the game well, since I received my first speeding ticket in Salinas as we drove down to the game.

(Joe Roth beat 'SC in Memorial that year. The '76 team had a losing record due, in part, to Joe's declining health.)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_California_Golden_Bears_football_team

Still the only Cal football player to be on the cover of SI in a Cal uniform?

Only fitting this thread has not only gone OT but took a basketball discussion to football. This is an alltime horrible thread.

We lost to ucla because asteve Rievera fumbled a punt b

UCBerkGrad said:

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Only fitting this thread has not only gone OT but took a basketball discussion to football. This is an alltime horrible thread.

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The topic of the thread, the alleged incident concerning a favorite Cal player, is an all-time horrible topic. No wonder many of us would rather change the subject of the thread, which is just speculation before the trial. Jabari is entitled to a fair trial.

agreed. stop.

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I hate to say this, but earlier in the season, the Bears had their chance to win the right to go to the Rose Bowl by beating UCLA themselves and failed, when Muncie dropped a wide open 4th down pass over the middle at Memorial Stadium. I was there and saw it happen.

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With all due respect, SFCity, Cal tied for the Pac8 Championship in 1975, and Cal visited the Coliseum to play UCLA that year. Cal lost to UCLA 28-14, and since they won the head-to-head, they went to the Rose Bowl. I remember the game well, since I received my first speeding ticket in Salinas as we drove down to the game.

(Joe Roth beat 'SC in Memorial that year. The '76 team had a losing record due, in part, to Joe's declining health.)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_California_Golden_Bears_football_team

Big Dog:

Many thanks for the correction. My apologies to all. My memory isn't what it used to be, but i couldn't have been more wrong on this one. I guess my view of the TV that day was so burned into my memory, that it became real, and I thought I was actually there. Weird.

As I remember it, Cal was down 7 late in the 4th quarter, had the ball, and needed to drive the length of the field to try and tie the game with a TD. With the 4th down dropped pass, UCLA took over, and had enough time to score again and Cal lost by 14. Does that sound right?

I commend you for driving down to LA for the game. I remember driving down for the '59 Rose Bowl. Those losses are so hard to take, followed by the long drive home.

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We threw a long pass down to about the 10 yard line which was caught but Rievera was called for offensive pass interference. Dont know why I remember these things. Wish I didnt. I was there at fucla

So if the thread was about Sam Darnold in the same trouble it would be acceptable? Drop the false piety, please.

How can we as Cal fans joke around a topic/thread so serious??
Sure, on lighter days... a funny joke here or there to show your wit...

This is bad for Jabari, bad for the alleged victim , bad for the University, bad for the Cal Basketball program...

Not good..

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This is bad for Jabari, bad for the alleged victim , bad for the University, bad for the Cal Basketball program...

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Also bad for Jabari's family, bad for the girl's family, bad for the Celtics. I hope there's some way all concerned come out with minimal damage.

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So if the thread was about Sam Darnold in the same trouble it would be acceptable? Drop the false piety, please.

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Oh, we would be having tons of fun with that one. Would be at least 10 pages long by now without any space for the bizarre tangents.

BeachedBear said:

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bearister said:

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So if the thread was about Sam Darnold in the same trouble it would be acceptable? Drop the false piety, please.

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Oh, we would be having tons of fun with that one. Would be at least 10 pages long by now without any space for the bizarre tangents.

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...but it would be sad (mostly for him, not the victim), disturbing and in bad taste, right?

There gets to a point where joking around about it ain't funny, no matter who it is or where they go/went to college. For example, Former Furd Eric Abrams.

I have been known to be rather "don't-pull-any-punches" when it comes to our arch-rival, but I was glad to not joke about the situation I named above... and was grateful, in turn, when they didn't mention Mariet Ford.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/09/source_celtics_jabari_bird_sought_treatment_before_domestic_violence_incident%3famp

I believe a link between psychotropic drugs and uncharacteristic violent behavior is certainly a possibility here. I assume speculation helpful to Jabari's defense won't trigger an adverse reaction from the Never Discuss a Former Cal Athlete's Issues Police.

more

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap-amp/251153/Jabari-Bird-Sought-Mental-Health-Help-Before-Domestic-Violence-Incident

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https://www.google.com/amp/www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/09/source_celtics_jabari_bird_sought_treatment_before_domestic_violence_incident%3famp

I believe a link between psychotropic drugs and uncharacteristic violent behavior is certainly a possibility here. I assume speculation helpful to Jabari's defense won't trigger an adverse reaction from the Never Discuss a Former Cal Athlete's Issues Police.

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Or the life is binary and so simple police.

Dear Koream: i'm sure it's me, but could you explain your sentence?