Durant goes bye bye

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"Pros are punks." -- Brad Duggan, former CCSF coach and former color man on Cal broadcasts
Why post this??
I don't know why. It seemed like a good idea at the time. It was a harsh statement. I think Duggan meant it because some of his players had begun to idolize professional players some years ago, and Duggan had little respect for what the pro game of basketball had become. In most of the early years of the NBA, the league had struggled with being able to sell enough tickets to make expenses, and rules were changed and officials looked the other way, to keep the game flowing and interesting for fans. One friend of mine who played for UConn and later for Red Auerbach told me he won't watch NBA games now. When I asked why, he replied, "They walk, they palm it, and they charge. It's not basketball." Great players like Oscar Robertson have said similar things about the game they once loved.

Today, NBA players have bought into all of it, maybe because it has made them fabulously wealthy, all for being men playing a kids' game, and contributing nothing productive to society, unless they do something charitable or productive outside of basketball, which many do. Our athletes and our entertainers have become more popular than almost anyone else. All this while many productive members of society toil quietly producing and bringing food to our tables, designing and building our homes and all our buildings, protecting us from crime and natural disasters like fire and tornado or hurricane, fghting our wars and getting injured or killed doing it, bringing us our news, teaching our kids, healing our broken bones, curing our illnesses, cleaning up our waste, running our businesses, performing our jobs (many at below a living wage), taking care of our poor, and mentally ill. For me, making a crossover or popping a three pales in comparison, no matter how much of a thrill we get from it.

Many pro athletes, maybe most, are too immature to handle the wealth and some become so spoiled as to think they are special and can live outside of accepted social norms, and outside the law.

A sportscaster whose name I don't recall, pointed out that baseball used to own the summer. All the sports headlines were of baseball, and it was rare to hear conversation about anything else. Now the NFL has become a 12 month sport, and the NBA has become a reality show. Kevin Durant is a player who got seriously injured, has quit the team for greener pastures, left town, and will not be playing basketball again for at least a year. But if he sends out a Tweet, it will be all over the media, mainstream and social, and it will be discussed for two or three days, instead of baseball games which are currently underway every day. Fans today want to know who Kahwi's friends are, and they want to discuss who Kyrie is hanging out with. Endless discussion on whose fault it was that KD got hurt, how much salaries are now, how much we have to pay for this and that player. And why should we care about what any basketball player or any actor or singer thinks about the major issues of the day, or what he or thinks about the people who run for political office? Why should there opinions matter more than the average Joe who works for a living, when most of these superstars have never worked a day at producing anything for society in their lives? Our values have gotten out of whack, and it does not bode well for the future of this society.
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Brad Duggan, Best Color Commentator, All Time.
The closest you could ever get to Bill Murray commenting on a game after several shots of Jameson (and he kinda looked like Danny Aykroyd on 'roids).

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SFCityBear said:

south bender said:

SFCityBear said:

"Pros are punks." -- Brad Duggan, former CCSF coach and former color man on Cal broadcasts
Why post this??
I don't know why. It seemed like a good idea at the time. It was a harsh statement. I think Duggan meant it because some of his players had begun to idolize professional players some years ago, and Duggan had little respect for what the pro game of basketball had become. In most of the early years of the NBA, the league had struggled with being able to sell enough tickets to make expenses, and rules were changed and officials looked the other way, to keep the game flowing and interesting for fans. One friend of mine who played for UConn and later for Red Auerbach told me he won't watch NBA games now. When I asked why, he replied, "They walk, they palm it, and they charge. It's not basketball." Great players like Oscar Robertson have said similar things about the game they once loved.

Today, NBA players have bought into all of it, maybe because it has made them fabulously wealthy, all for being men playing a kids' game, and contributing nothing productive to society, unless they do something charitable or productive outside of basketball, which many do. Our athletes and our entertainers have become more popular than almost anyone else. All this while many productive members of society toil quietly producing and bringing food to our tables, designing and building our homes and all our buildings, protecting us from crime and natural disasters like fire and tornado or hurricane, fghting our wars and getting injured or killed doing it, bringing us our news, teaching our kids, healing our broken bones, curing our illnesses, cleaning up our waste, running our businesses, performing our jobs (many at below a living wage), taking care of our poor, and mentally ill. For me, making a crossover or popping a three pales in comparison, no matter how much of a thrill we get from it.

Many pro athletes, maybe most, are too immature to handle the wealth and some become so spoiled as to think they are special and can live outside of accepted social norms, and outside the law.

A sportscaster whose name I don't recall, pointed out that baseball used to own the summer. All the sports headlines were of baseball, and it was rare to hear conversation about anything else. Now the NFL has become a 12 month sport, and the NBA has become a reality show. Kevin Durant is a player who got seriously injured, has quit the team for greener pastures, left town, and will not be playing basketball again for at least a year. But if he sends out a Tweet, it will be all over the media, mainstream and social, and it will be discussed for two or three days, instead of baseball games which are currently underway every day. Fans today want to know who Kahwi's friends are, and they want to discuss who Kyrie is hanging out with. Endless discussion on whose fault it was that KD got hurt, how much salaries are now, how much we have to pay for this and that player. And why should we care about what any basketball player or any actor or singer thinks about the major issues of the day, or what he or thinks about the people who run for political office? Why should there opinions matter more than the average Joe who works for a living, when most of these superstars have never worked a day at producing anything for society in their lives? Our values have gotten out of whack, and it does not bode well for the future of this society.
"The Last Pass" (Gary M. Pomerantz) is a good read about Bob Cousy (Houdini of the Hardwood), the rise of the early Celtics, and his relationship with Bill Russell.

It's also a history of the early NBA teams and players for those too young to remember the names -- Dolph Schayes, Richie Guerin, George Mikan, Bob Pettit, Ed MacCauley, Coach Auerbach, Cliff Hagan, Tom Heinsohn, Russell's great backup "Satch" Sanders; the early teams -- St Louis Hawks, Fort Wayne Pistons, Rochester Royals, Minneapolis Lakers, Philadelphia Warriors, Syracuse Nat's, Knicks, Tri-City Blackhawks, et al.
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SFCityBear said:

south bender said:

SFCityBear said:

"Pros are punks." -- Brad Duggan, former CCSF coach and former color man on Cal broadcasts
Why post this??
I don't know why. It seemed like a good idea at the time. It was a harsh statement. I think Duggan meant it because some of his players had begun to idolize professional players some years ago, and Duggan had little respect for what the pro game of basketball had become. In most of the early years of the NBA, the league had struggled with being able to sell enough tickets to make expenses, and rules were changed and officials looked the other way, to keep the game flowing and interesting for fans. One friend of mine who played for UConn and later for Red Auerbach told me he won't watch NBA games now. When I asked why, he replied, "They walk, they palm it, and they charge. It's not basketball." Great players like Oscar Robertson have said similar things about the game they once loved.

Today, NBA players have bought into all of it, maybe because it has made them fabulously wealthy, all for being men playing a kids' game, and contributing nothing productive to society, unless they do something charitable or productive outside of basketball, which many do. Our athletes and our entertainers have become more popular than almost anyone else. All this while many productive members of society toil quietly producing and bringing food to our tables, designing and building our homes and all our buildings, protecting us from crime and natural disasters like fire and tornado or hurricane, fghting our wars and getting injured or killed doing it, bringing us our news, teaching our kids, healing our broken bones, curing our illnesses, cleaning up our waste, running our businesses, performing our jobs (many at below a living wage), taking care of our poor, and mentally ill. For me, making a crossover or popping a three pales in comparison, no matter how much of a thrill we get from it.

Many pro athletes, maybe most, are too immature to handle the wealth and some become so spoiled as to think they are special and can live outside of accepted social norms, and outside the law.

A sportscaster whose name I don't recall, pointed out that baseball used to own the summer. All the sports headlines were of baseball, and it was rare to hear conversation about anything else. Now the NFL has become a 12 month sport, and the NBA has become a reality show. Kevin Durant is a player who got seriously injured, has quit the team for greener pastures, left town, and will not be playing basketball again for at least a year. But if he sends out a Tweet, it will be all over the media, mainstream and social, and it will be discussed for two or three days, instead of baseball games which are currently underway every day. Fans today want to know who Kahwi's friends are, and they want to discuss who Kyrie is hanging out with. Endless discussion on whose fault it was that KD got hurt, how much salaries are now, how much we have to pay for this and that player. And why should we care about what any basketball player or any actor or singer thinks about the major issues of the day, or what he or thinks about the people who run for political office? Why should there opinions matter more than the average Joe who works for a living, when most of these superstars have never worked a day at producing anything for society in their lives? Our values have gotten out of whack, and it does not bode well for the future of this society.
"Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio, Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you"

Pro athletes and entertainers have been national heroes since the advent of radio and movies. They dominated news coverage whether in news papers, newsreels, gossip magazines, the nightly news, or the internet. Why were the opinions of an actor like Ronald Reagan or an actress like Jane Fonda valued? Hedda Hopper was a huge influence dishing dirt and gossip about everyone in Hollywood in the 40's and beyond including when we were fighting the biggest war in world history. Baseball players were largely carousing alcoholics. Does Babe Ruth compare favorably to today's pro athlete in off the field antics? I don't disagree with your distaste for this, but I do disagree that you are talking about a new phenomenon that didn't exist in the good ol' days. The main differences are:

1. While an outlandish amount of money has always gone to the sports and entertainment industries, they used to go to the unknown business men who successfully "earned" it off the backs of others. I don't like that a basketball player makes $30M while a teacher makes $60K, but I'd rather the basketball player get the money that is produced by his play than owners. I'd rather the actor get the money from his persona than a studio.

2. Social media and the internet have drastically increased the pace by which ALL news comes to us. People were dying to get those gossip magazines in the day. Now they don't have to wait 2 minutes to find out the latest gossip. But it is not like sports and entertainment are taking up more of the time versus politics, say...wait a minute...sorry...my phone just pinged with the latest awful/wonderful thing that Trump did and the latest awful/wonderful thing the Democrats did in response...what was I saying?
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  • The pain of the lack of commitment, the me generation, the difference between college and pro athletes
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"According to a 2009 Sports Illustrated article, 78% of National Football League (NFL) players are either bankrupt or are under financial stress within two years of retirement and an estimated 60% of National Basketball Association (NBA) players go bankrupt within five years after leaving their sport."*
Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_finances_of_professional_American_athletes

*The average NBA player will make $24.7 million in his career. That is based on an average salary of $5.2 million and an average career length of 4.8 years and is $18.6 million more than the career earnings for the average NFL player ($6.1 million). Business Insider

The 9 Most Financially Irresponsible Players in NBA History

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1085063-the-9-most-financially-irresponsible-players-in-nba-history#slide0
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SFCityBear said:


And why should we care about what any basketball player or any actor or singer thinks about the major issues of the day, or what he or thinks about the people who run for political office? Why should there opinions matter more than the average Joe who works for a living, when most of these superstars have never worked a day at producing anything for society in their lives? Our values have gotten out of whack, and it does not bode well for the future of this society.
1) No one is making you or me care what an athlete, or a team owner, or a loud mouthed sportscaster, thinks about anything.

2) If being a truly worthy member of society was a requirement for being allowed to speak, well over 90% of us would have to be silent forever. Of course if we let everyone define their own life as productive and everyone else's as unproductive... well, I guess that's pretty much where we are anyway.

3) Neither the general public nor anyone with power or influence has ever given a rat's azz about the opinions of the average Joe or Jane. That would continue to be true whether or not athletes had Twitter accounts, or whether Twitter even existed.

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Getting back to the original topic of this thread, here is the warrior roster so far, according to the eat bay times.

name pos age
Probabile Starters
Stephen Curry PG 31
D'Angelo Russell SG 23
Alfonzo McKinnie Sf 26
Drymond Green PF 29
Damian Jones C 24
others
Klay Thomson W 28
Willie Cauley-Stein C 25
Glenn Robinson F 25
Kevin Looney C 23
Jacob Evans G 22
Eric Paschall F 22
Jordan Poole W 20
Alen Smallagic F 18

Technically, Livingston is still on the team, but might not be week from now.
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RichyBear said:

Getting back to the original topic of this thread, here is the warrior roster so far, according to the eat bay times.

name pos age
Probabile Starters
Stephen Curry PG 31
D'Angelo Russell SG 23
Alfonzo McKinnie Sf 26
Drymond Green PF 29
Damian Jones C 24
others
Klay Thomson W 28
Willie Cauley-Stein C 25
Glenn Robinson F 25
Kevin Looney C 23
Jacob Evans G 22
Eric Paschall F 22
Jordan Poole W 20
Alen Smallagic F 18

Technically, Livingston is still on the team, but might not be week from now.
I'm surprised the Times predicted Damian over Kevon as starting center. Is Kevon's injury serious enough to keep him out of the beginning of the season?
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The decision on Livingston has to be made by the end of next week.
He's had a most excellent run with the W's.
I hope he pursues coaching. He has a lot to offer.
"Those who say don't know, and those who know don't say." - LT
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Apparently Kerr likes to bring Looney off the bench to give the second unit a bit more punch.
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It's amazing how long Livingston managed to stick in the league after suffering what looked like a career-ending injury back in 2007 (they almost had to amputate his leg!). As a guy who basically had to rebuild himself over the course of many years, he probably would be a good coach.
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ClayK said:

Apparently Kerr likes to bring Looney off the bench to give the second unit a bit more punch.
He would likely get starter's minutes either way, much like Iguodala did.
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joe amos yaks said:

The decision on Livingston has to be made by the end of next week.
He's had a most excellent run with the W's.
I hope he pursues coaching. He has a lot to offer.
Livingston's 2019-20 salary of $7.692million now becomes fully guaranteed on 7/10/2019. It would cost $2 million to waive him before then. There's no way to keep him with the hard cap. Would guess they are trying to find a trade partner to absorb the $2million for some other incentive.

Not sure what happens if he retires after 7/10.
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Update on Warriors current roster

name pos age
Probabile Starters
Stephen Curry PG 31
D'Angelo Russell SG 23
Alfonzo McKinnie Sf 26
Drymond Green PF 29
Willie Cauley-Stein C 25
others
Klay Thomson W 28
OmarGlenn Robinson F 25
Kevin Looney C 23
Jacob Evans G 22
Eric Paschall F 22
Jordan Poole W 20
Alen Smallagic F 18
Omari spellman F 21

The Warriors also traded for 33 year old Lior Eliyahu, who is playing in Israel.
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According to this, KD decided to screw the Warriors a little more on his way out the door, by shaking them down for a first round draft choice.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2845161-kevin-durant-rumors-star-balked-at-straight-up-trade-for-dangelo-russell
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According to Windhorst, Durant "initially balked at being traded for Russell straight up" and required Golden State to include a first-round pick in the deal, believing it to be an unfair trade for the Nets otherwise.
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BearSD said:

According to this, KD decided to screw the Warriors a little more on his way out the door, by shaking them down for a first round draft choice.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2845161-kevin-durant-rumors-star-balked-at-straight-up-trade-for-dangelo-russell
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According to Windhorst, Durant "initially balked at being traded for Russell straight up" and required Golden State to include a first-round pick in the deal, believing it to be an unfair trade for the Nets otherwise.

Maybe, but given that it's protected for picks 1-20 and their roster/klay's injury, it will likely become only a second rounder.
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philbert said:

BearSD said:

According to this, KD decided to screw the Warriors a little more on his way out the door, by shaking them down for a first round draft choice.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2845161-kevin-durant-rumors-star-balked-at-straight-up-trade-for-dangelo-russell
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According to Windhorst, Durant "initially balked at being traded for Russell straight up" and required Golden State to include a first-round pick in the deal, believing it to be an unfair trade for the Nets otherwise.

Maybe, but given that it's protected for picks 1-20 and their roster/klay's injury, it will likely become only a second rounder.
Yeah, basically it's a first round pick if Russell helps the Warriors enough to finish with one of the 10 best records, and a second round pick if not.

It's more that KD apparently said, "Eh, let's hit 'em a little harder."
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LOL OKC and HOU. 2 thumbs down.
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D'Antoni is just as doomed now as Luke Walton was at the start of last season.
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BearSD said:

philbert said:

BearSD said:

According to this, KD decided to screw the Warriors a little more on his way out the door, by shaking them down for a first round draft choice.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2845161-kevin-durant-rumors-star-balked-at-straight-up-trade-for-dangelo-russell
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According to Windhorst, Durant "initially balked at being traded for Russell straight up" and required Golden State to include a first-round pick in the deal, believing it to be an unfair trade for the Nets otherwise.

Maybe, but given that it's protected for picks 1-20 and their roster/klay's injury, it will likely become only a second rounder.
Yeah, basically it's a first round pick if Russell helps the Warriors enough to finish with one of the 10 best records, and a second round pick if not.

It's more that KD apparently said, "Eh, let's hit 'em a little harder."

..and Joe Lacob wants to honor KD and not allow anyone to wear #35 while is is co-owner? Why the F would Joe Lacob want to do this?
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Trying to show everybody how "classy" he is.
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Big C said:

Trying to show everybody how "classy" he is.
The Warriors might also pursue other free agents at some point in the near future. You don't want those guys thinking you'll badmouth them on the way out.
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Harden and Westbrook: What could possibly go wrong?
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ClayK said:

Harden and Westbrook: What could possibly go wrong?


No kidding.
Houston will be very interesting to watch this season. From a train wreck standpoint.

Crimson Tide with Denzel Washington and Gene Hackman:

"Give me the key."
"No, give ME the key."
"Give ME the KEY!"
"I am the Comm. This is my basketball. Give me the key!"
"No. I control the offense. You go stand in the corner while I dribble."
"Dribble? Man, I'm driving the lane, what are you talking about?"
"Hey, what happened? The shot clock just expired. Your man just hit a bucket. D'Antoni just got fired. And our teammates just walked off the court."
"I don't know, but you still need to give me the key, punk!"
"Did you know that the dancing Lipizzaner horses are born black?"
"If I hit this shot, will you shave your beard?"
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concordtom said:

"Give me the key."
"No, give ME the key."
"Give ME the KEY!"
"I am the Comm. This is my basketball. Give me the key!"
"No. I control the offense. You go stand in the corner while I dribble."
"Dribble? Man, I'm driving the lane, what are you talking about?"
"Hey, what happened? The shot clock just expired. Your man just hit a bucket. D'Antoni just got fired. And our teammates just walked off the court."
"I don't know, but you still need to give me the key, punk!"
"Did you know that the dancing Lipizzaner horses are born black?"
"If I hit this shot, will you shave your beard?"
I couldn't tell which character was saying which line until the final line's inclusion of "shave your beard" identified the speaker.
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ClayK said:

Harden and Westbrook: What could possibly go wrong?
For starters, they will play the games with only one basketball. And the same type of things that went wrong for the Warriors this season, namely injuries, friction. Chemistry is a fickle mistress.
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OBear073akaSMFan said:

BearSD said:

philbert said:

BearSD said:

According to this, KD decided to screw the Warriors a little more on his way out the door, by shaking them down for a first round draft choice.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2845161-kevin-durant-rumors-star-balked-at-straight-up-trade-for-dangelo-russell
Quote:

According to Windhorst, Durant "initially balked at being traded for Russell straight up" and required Golden State to include a first-round pick in the deal, believing it to be an unfair trade for the Nets otherwise.

Maybe, but given that it's protected for picks 1-20 and their roster/klay's injury, it will likely become only a second rounder.
Yeah, basically it's a first round pick if Russell helps the Warriors enough to finish with one of the 10 best records, and a second round pick if not.

It's more that KD apparently said, "Eh, let's hit 'em a little harder."

..and Joe Lacob wants to honor KD and not allow anyone to wear #35 while is is co-owner? Why the F would Joe Lacob want to do this?
Maybe Lacob is thinking he may one day have the opportunity to get KD back.
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Of course it remains to be seen what Kevin we'll see after the rehab.

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Big C said:

Trying to show everybody how "classy" he is.
Classy? Sorry he loss me long ago when he announced the purchase of the warriors in SF & not Oakland. It was no doubt his intent was to move to SF from the get go.
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OBear073akaSMFan said:

Big C said:

Trying to show everybody how "classy" he is.
Classy? Sorry he loss me long ago when he announced the purchase of the warriors in SF & not Oakland. It was no doubt his intent was to move to SF from the get go.
Is it a sin to move his investment to a more profitable location?
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south bender said:

OBear073akaSMFan said:

Big C said:

Trying to show everybody how "classy" he is.
Classy? Sorry he loss me long ago when he announced the purchase of the warriors in SF & not Oakland. It was no doubt his intent was to move to SF from the get go.
Is it a sin to move his investment to a more profitable location?


I'm thinking you aren't a born and bred Oakland lad. For if you were, you would know that not only is it a sin but that in this case it is a grave moral evil resulting in the loss of one's immortal soul. It ranks right up there with stiffing Oakland on the cost of the NBA Champions Parade and the owner pro rata share of the reno cost for Oracle.
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south bender said:

OBear073akaSMFan said:

Big C said:

Trying to show everybody how "classy" he is.
Classy? Sorry he loss me long ago when he announced the purchase of the warriors in SF & not Oakland. It was no doubt his intent was to move to SF from the get go.
Is it a sin to move his investment to a more profitable location?
Probably less of a sin than it was for original San Francisco Warriors' owner Franklin Mieuli to change the name of the team to Golden State Warriors in 1971, and then move the team to Oakland in 1972, a more profitable location. Even though Mieuli is gone, and the name of the team is still Golden State Warriors, this is something of a payback for San Francisco Warrior fans.
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