Is there any report on Kirwin Walton's Official visit?

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[url=https://twitter.com/CoachDavidSisk][/url]David Sisk @CoachDavidSisk
Nov 7

Top 100 guard, Kerwin Walton, told us tonight that he will take official visits to Cal starting tomorrow & Vanderbilt next weekend.

If there's a better shooter in the country, I haven't seen him. Eric Bossi saw him over the summer and like most, he couldn't assess Walton's game without detailing his sudden ascension. "Once the threes started falling for Rivals150 wing Kerwin Walton, they never seemed to stop. I've had the opportunity to watch him a handful of times with D1 Minnesota over the past few weeks and he's shot the ball as well, or better than, anybody I've seen this summer. If he catches with his feet set and a clean look, well then you might as well start running the other way because the ball is going in. There's a reason he racked up double digit high major offers in July alone."



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stu
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If he attended the football game good news that he saw us win, bad news that he saw a lot of empty seats.
CALiforniALUM
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I hope we get this kid just for the hair.
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helltopay1 said:

Dear Stu: Indeed!!!!!!If If I'm the basketball coach, I keep all recruits away from Telegraph ave and away from the million left-wing professors and left-wing administrators while on campus. Hard to do----I know----but as Bill Clinton famously said, " you gotta do what you gotta do." ( and Bill Clinton has been doing it ever since he was a teen-ager. ) You remember the pedophile Jeffrey Epstein???Bill Clinton's same was logged in on Epsteins' private plane a total of 26 times!!!mr. Epstein???Isn'tr he the guy who just committed suicide???why----yes he is---and the big black book which contained ALL the names of the famous people who rode with him to his famous private island where hundreds of underage girls "serviced" the rich and famous?????Disappeared, of course. WHEW!!!!!!!That was close.
Huh? Helltopay1, call me a simpleton, but what the hell are you talking about? Isn't this a sports forum?
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RedlessWardrobe said:

helltopay1 said:

Dear Stu: Indeed!!!!!!If If I'm the basketball coach, I keep all recruits away from Telegraph ave and away from the million left-wing professors and left-wing administrators while on campus. Hard to do----I know----but as Bill Clinton famously said, " you gotta do what you gotta do." ( and Bill Clinton has been doing it ever since he was a teen-ager. ) You remember the pedophile Jeffrey Epstein???Bill Clinton's same was logged in on Epsteins' private plane a total of 26 times!!!mr. Epstein???Isn'tr he the guy who just committed suicide???why----yes he is---and the big black book which contained ALL the names of the famous people who rode with him to his famous private island where hundreds of underage girls "serviced" the rich and famous?????Disappeared, of course. WHEW!!!!!!!That was close.
Huh? Helltopay1, call me a simpleton, but what the hell are you talking about? Isn't this a sports forum?
Must be off his meds.
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Alkiadt said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

helltopay1 said:

Dear Stu: Indeed!!!!!!If If I'm the basketball coach, I keep all recruits away from Telegraph ave and away from the million left-wing professors and left-wing administrators while on campus. Hard to do----I know----but as Bill Clinton famously said, " you gotta do what you gotta do." ( and Bill Clinton has been doing it ever since he was a teen-ager. ) You remember the pedophile Jeffrey Epstein???Bill Clinton's same was logged in on Epsteins' private plane a total of 26 times!!!mr. Epstein???Isn'tr he the guy who just committed suicide???why----yes he is---and the big black book which contained ALL the names of the famous people who rode with him to his famous private island where hundreds of underage girls "serviced" the rich and famous?????Disappeared, of course. WHEW!!!!!!!That was close.
Huh? Helltopay1, call me a simpleton, but what the hell are you talking about? Isn't this a sports forum?
Must be off his meds.
Thanks Alkiadt, for the inside information.
UrsaMajor
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Seriously, helltopay, I know you're a bit "not well," but wouldn't you be happier posting on Infowars, or maybe 4chan?
SFCityBear
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If this young lad does sign with Cal, I hope he brings his 'Fro with him, and grows it bigger.

I long for the second coming of Bob Presley, or a Dr. J, somebody who can jump to the roof and play way above the rim. I had some hope with young Erving, but alas it was not to be. Maybe he can get his head together and ask Dad for advice on hairdos.
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ursa: That hurt. OTOH, please review my two points
1) The teachers and administrators at our beloved Bezerkley are overwhelmingly left and
2) A lot of folks are breathing a terrific sigh off relief now that Mr. Epstein has graciously departed the scene
3) How come we Cal types walk and chew gum at the same time??
4) I suppose I could use the OT forum, but the assumption by some that we should compartmentalize everything is not terribly dispositive--especially when you consider that all the complaints are from the same lefty/liberal proponents on this board. However, I will try to improve my terrible behavior. and, one need not be on "meds" to follow the 'news" on a daily basis. ( something I've been doing daily for over 40 years) But, because I'm such an amiable sort, I will try to temper my political rants.
helltopay1
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dear Redless: I would never call you a "simpleton." i'm sure you are a jolly good fellow.
helltopay1
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Dear Alki: never discount the importance of "meds." also, never discount the importance off being informed. Also, please read the brand new best seller entitled, " the importance of walking and chewing gum at the same time. many mammals can do this--hopefully, all humans can learn this trick with a little bit of effort. Many therapists would charge you for this info, but, because I'm a blue, you're getting it for free--I believe some gratitude is called for here---
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helltopay1 said:

Dear Alki: never discount the importance of "meds." also, never discount the importance off being informed. Also, please read the brand new best seller entitled, " the importance of walking and chewing gum at the same time. many mammals can do this--hopefully, all humans can learn this trick with a little bit of effort. Many therapists would charge you for this info, but, because I'm a blue, you're getting it for free--I believe some gratitude is called for here---
Got it, thanks!

And I'm well aware of the importance of meds. I take mine daily,

....twice a day in fact.
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Shooters are the way to go for us.
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stu said:

If he attended the football game good news that he saw us win, bad news that he saw a lot of empty seats.
Haas these days is less full than Memorial, so he needs to disregard the number of empty seats in either one.
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helltopay1 said:

ursa: That hurt. OTOH, please review my two points
1) The teachers and administrators at our beloved Bezerkley are overwhelmingly left and
2) A lot of folks are breathing a terrific sigh off relief now that Mr. Epstein has graciously departed the scene
3) How come we Cal types walk and chew gum at the same time??
4) I suppose I could use the OT forum, but the assumption by some that we should compartmentalize everything is not terribly dispositive--especially when you consider that all the complaints are from the same lefty/liberal proponents on this board. However, I will try to improve my terrible behavior. and, one need not be on "meds" to follow the 'news" on a daily basis. ( something I've been doing daily for over 40 years) But, because I'm such an amiable sort, I will try to temper my political rants.
That's actually 4 points. Epstein probably didn't kill himself. What does any of that have to do with Kerwin Walton?
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KoreAmBear said:

Shooters are the way to go for us.
If one game is any indication, we have shooters, but we may not have enough. defenders. Fortunately, defense is easier to teach than shooting, and we have a coach now who is reputed to be good at teaching defense.
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SFCityBear said:

KoreAmBear said:

Shooters are the way to go for us.
If one game is any indication, we have shooters, but we may not have enough. defenders. Fortunately, defense is easier to teach than shooting, and we have a coach now who is reputed to be good at teaching defense.
Well we will have Bradley for two more years. We lose South. Seems like Brown will have to work hard on his shooting. Anticevich may have found his sweet spot around 15 feet in. But hard to say we have any consistent shooters beyond that. Shooters and defenders. We certainly won't win the elite athletes battle so we need to find our niche.
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helltopay1 said:

ursa: That hurt. OTOH, please review my two points
1) The teachers and administrators at our beloved Bezerkley are overwhelmingly left and
2) A lot of folks are breathing a terrific sigh off relief now that Mr. Epstein has graciously departed the scene
3) How come we Cal types walk and chew gum at the same time??
4) I suppose I could use the OT forum, but the assumption by some that we should compartmentalize everything is not terribly dispositive--especially when you consider that all the complaints are from the same lefty/liberal proponents on this board. However, I will try to improve my terrible behavior. and, one need not be on "meds" to follow the 'news" on a daily basis. ( something I've been doing daily for over 40 years) But, because I'm such an amiable sort, I will try to temper my political rants.
Another idiot added to Ignore list.

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KoreAmBear said:

SFCityBear said:

KoreAmBear said:

Shooters are the way to go for us.
If one game is any indication, we have shooters, but we may not have enough. defenders. Fortunately, defense is easier to teach than shooting, and we have a coach now who is reputed to be good at teaching defense.
Well we will have Bradley for two more years. We lose South. Seems like Brown will have to work hard on his shooting. Anticevich may have found his sweet spot around 15 feet in. But hard to say we have any consistent shooters beyond that. Shooters and defenders. We certainly won't win the elite athletes battle so we need to find our niche.
As for three point shooters, besides Bradley and South, Gordon went 2-2 and Kelly 1-1, so I'm interested in seeing more from them. In the post game interview, either Kelly or Bradley said that Klonaras can shoot. He seems very tentative right now. I also remember reading somewhere that Kuany can shoot some. In that game we did not show much mid-range shooting, except for Anticevich, as you said. If Kelly can make some 10-15 footers, that would be a plus. Maybe Lars can hit a mid range jumper. He scored well in high school, but this is the next level. The next few games may answer some of this.

I think we have more players capable of some good shooting than in the last two seasons. Sueing was our leading scorer, but he was very limited. He scored most of his points driving left with his left hand. Never went right, or shot with his right, and couldn't shoot threes very well. Coleman was great for his first few games, and a wild man out of control after that. Lee and Okoroh couldn't shoot beyond 5 feet. Bradley was the best shot from deep, and McNeill looked great at times, but was streaky, and could go into slumps. And so on.

I think if we keep sharing the ball like we did last week, we are going to get our share of layups. I wonder if they can play this unselfishly when they come up against better teams with better defenses. I'm looking forward to this season.
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dear GoOskie: That's funny: I don't remember adding you to the list..
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Dear Concerned: I wish you were more concerned about the world around you . It's called free association. i also suspect you are either a lefty or you are basically uninformed about the weighty issues happening every day. I do wish you well.
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SFCityBear said:

KoreAmBear said:

Shooters are the way to go for us.
If one game is any indication, we have shooters, but we may not have enough. defenders. Fortunately, defense is easier to teach than shooting, and we have a coach now who is reputed to be good at teaching defense.


Fox's like Braun, had somewhat better defenses than offenses, but their reputation for "defense" largely came from slowing down the game, limiting possessions for both teams:

Here are Fox's National rankings in offensive efficiency (points per possession), defensive efficiency (opponent points per possession) and pace (possessions per 40 min) in his time at Georgia:
Year. Offense Defense Pace
09-10. 141. 253. 224
10-11. 129. 83. 267
11-12. 248. 200. 330
1213. 275. 102. 309
13-14. 179. 111. 253
14-15. 180. 75. 186
15-16. 226. 128. 226
16-17. 223. 112. 181
17-18. 230. 109. 337

In his time at Georgia the offense deteriorated and the defense improved, but only twice was the defense even in the top 100 in fewest points per opponent possession. However, the offensive efficiency of his Georgia teams was far worse, often in the 200s. So that, and the fact his teams were often among the very slowest playing in the country, that gave him the "plodding, no offense, defense first" reputation, but not because they played good defense and were actually good at stopping teams.

However, the past does not always predict the future, people can learn and improve and our offense looked efficient against Pepperdine. Getting a lights out 3 point shooter like Walton (and more like him) certainly can make your offense A LOT more efficient.
Defense can improve too. Hopefully if we have the advantage on both ends of the floor he will push the pace as well.

Go Bears!
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In today's college or even pro game, you can never, I mean NEVER, have enough good 3 pt shooters.....It sounds as if this kid can make up for any possible defensive deficiencies with his offense....Unlike some posters here, I would give up some defense from a player if they can drain 3's at 40%+.......
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calumnus said:

SFCityBear said:

KoreAmBear said:

Shooters are the way to go for us.
If one game is any indication, we have shooters, but we may not have enough. defenders. Fortunately, defense is easier to teach than shooting, and we have a coach now who is reputed to be good at teaching defense.


Fox's like Braun, had somewhat better defenses than offenses, but their reputation for "defense" largely came from slowing down the game, limiting possessions for both teams:

Here are Fox's National rankings in offensive efficiency (points per possession), defensive efficiency (opponent points per possession) and pace (possessions per 40 min) in his time at Georgia:
Year. Offense Defense Pace
09-10. 141. 253. 224
10-11. 129. 83. 267
11-12. 248. 200. 330
1213. 275. 102. 309
13-14. 179. 111. 253
14-15. 180. 75. 186
15-16. 226. 128. 226
16-17. 223. 112. 181
17-18. 230. 109. 337

In his time at Georgia the offense deteriorated and the defense improved, but only twice was the defense even in the top 100 in fewest points per opponent possession. However, the offensive efficiency of his Georgia teams was far worse, often in the 200s. So that, and the fact his teams were often among the very slowest playing in the country, that gave him the "plodding, no offense, defense first" reputation, but not because they played good defense and were actually good at stopping teams.

However, the past does not always predict the future, people can learn and improve and our offense looked efficient against Pepperdine. Getting a lights out 3 point shooter like Walton (and more like him) certainly can make your offense A LOT more efficient.
Defense can improve too. Hopefully if we have the advantage on both ends of the floor he will push the pace as well.

Go Bears!
Well, this explains your initial reaction to the Fox hire quite well, and thanks for taking the time to post it. It sounds logical. I never knew Ben Braun's teams had better defense than offense. I guess it was just the visual for me. I have this image of Braun's teams on defense too often leaving the area around the basket wide open for a an easy bucket.

As far as pace goes, it is somewhat dictated by the personnel you have. You usually can't run a lot unless you have a deeper rotation than the usual 6 or 7 bodies. And with average or lesser talented players, if you push them to play fast, they can make errors. Even a talented freshman, like Jaylen Brown, for example, was stripped of the ball, or just lost it, on the fast break on several occasions during his one season at Cal.

And offensive efficiency also depends on the talent of the personnel. I remember a Georgia fan posting here or in an article I read that Mark Fox's offense looked sharp until the final pass to the open shooter to take the shot, and then he didn't catch the pass or dropped it. Hopefully our boys will catch those passes and finish with a bucket. They all looked pretty good in game one. We'll see how they do when the competition gets tougher.
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bearmanpg said:

In today's college or even pro game, you can never, I mean NEVER, have enough good 3 pt shooters.....It sounds as if this kid can make up for any possible defensive deficiencies with his offense....Unlike some posters here, I would give up some defense from a player if they can drain 3's at 40%+.......
Well, it's a good point. I just feel that looking at recruiting classes that there are a lot of good 3-point shooters now. The game has evolved. Larry Bird said when he goes to a gym now, all the kids are practicing is three pointers. The other part of the evolvement is the changes in the rules to make it harder for defenders to defend. Ben Braun said after the game last night that it is practically impossible for a defender stop anyone these days. I played a long time ago, and when I talk to my old teammates, we all agree on how hard it would be to stop a player from breaking us down on the dribble, if he can carry the ball, and we can't use our hands to check him, and we can't take a charge near the basket. But those are the rules now. A lot of the old defensive fundamentals are out the window. Some have been replaced, and some have been abandoned. You just don't see great defenders now. As Braun also said, every defender today needs help. So you are right about having a lot of three point shooters, but if I was a coach out recruiting, I'd like shooters, but if I saw a player who could shut down offensive players without much help, I would recruit him, just because they are so rare and so valuable, in my opinion.
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calumnus said:

SFCityBear said:

KoreAmBear said:

Shooters are the way to go for us.
If one game is any indication, we have shooters, but we may not have enough. defenders. Fortunately, defense is easier to teach than shooting, and we have a coach now who is reputed to be good at teaching defense.


Fox's like Braun, had somewhat better defenses than offenses, but their reputation for "defense" largely came from slowing down the game, limiting possessions for both teams:

Here are Fox's National rankings in offensive efficiency (points per possession), defensive efficiency (opponent points per possession) and pace (possessions per 40 min) in his time at Georgia:
Year. Offense Defense Pace
09-10. 141. 253. 224
10-11. 129. 83. 267
11-12. 248. 200. 330
1213. 275. 102. 309
13-14. 179. 111. 253
14-15. 180. 75. 186
15-16. 226. 128. 226
16-17. 223. 112. 181
17-18. 230. 109. 337

In his time at Georgia the offense deteriorated and the defense improved, but only twice was the defense even in the top 100 in fewest points per opponent possession. However, the offensive efficiency of his Georgia teams was far worse, often in the 200s. So that, and the fact his teams were often among the very slowest playing in the country, that gave him the "plodding, no offense, defense first" reputation, but not because they played good defense and were actually good at stopping teams.

However, the past does not always predict the future, people can learn and improve and our offense looked efficient against Pepperdine. Getting a lights out 3 point shooter like Walton (and more like him) certainly can make your offense A LOT more efficient.
Defense can improve too. Hopefully if we have the advantage on both ends of the floor he will push the pace as well.

Go Bears!


What is the source of your stats? I am trying to reconcile those stats with the Stats that I can find that indicate Fox's teams were routinely in the top 25 in opponents fg %. Maybe they just foul a lot?
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/georgia/2013.html
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On the off chance anyone is actually interested in Kerwin Walton, he's announced that he's changed his mind a bit and will now wait to commit in the spring signing period. Has already officially visited Cal, UNC and Arizona. Plans to visit Vandy this weekend. One more visit allowed...could be Minnesota.
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I'm going to say this is good for us. Allows bluebloods like UNC and UA to recruit over him in that time frame. As far as Minnesota goes, he and Mashburn seem like the same type of player. They'll be fighting for PT from day 1. And if our team shows consistent improvement over the course of the season with a functional offense, our chances should improve.
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BC Calfan said:

I'm going to say this is good for us. Allows bluebloods like UNC and UA to recruit over him in that time frame. As far as Minnesota goes, he and Mashburn seem like the same type of player. They'll be fighting for PT from day 1. And if our team shows consistent improvement over the course of the season with a functional offense, our chances should improve.


Could be. UNC has a great class and has already recruited over him, I'd say. Zona is hard to read. Amazing how many kids have no issue going to schools that are about to go on probation. Minnesota could be a threat even with Mashburn having a similar profile. I heard Fox mention at a coaching clinic a few years ago that he likes a strong point, a strong post and three somewhat interchangeable, flexible wings. So I think that's why you see Fox's interest in recruiting guys like Celestine, Bowser and Walton who all have some similarities.
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helltopay1 said:

ursa: That hurt. OTOH, please review my two points
1) The teachers and administrators at our beloved Bezerkley are overwhelmingly left and
2) A lot of folks are breathing a terrific sigh off relief now that Mr. Epstein has graciously departed the scene
3) How come we Cal types walk and chew gum at the same time??
4) I suppose I could use the OT forum, but the assumption by some that we should compartmentalize everything is not terribly dispositive--especially when you consider that all the complaints are from the same lefty/liberal proponents on this board. However, I will try to improve my terrible behavior. and, one need not be on "meds" to follow the 'news" on a daily basis. ( something I've been doing daily for over 40 years) But, because I'm such an amiable sort, I will try to temper my political rants.
Just keep them off this board entirely.
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concernedparent said:

helltopay1 said:

ursa: That hurt. OTOH, please review my two points
1) The teachers and administrators at our beloved Bezerkley are overwhelmingly left and
2) A lot of folks are breathing a terrific sigh off relief now that Mr. Epstein has graciously departed the scene
3) How come we Cal types walk and chew gum at the same time??
4) I suppose I could use the OT forum, but the assumption by some that we should compartmentalize everything is not terribly dispositive--especially when you consider that all the complaints are from the same lefty/liberal proponents on this board. However, I will try to improve my terrible behavior. and, one need not be on "meds" to follow the 'news" on a daily basis. ( something I've been doing daily for over 40 years) But, because I'm such an amiable sort, I will try to temper my political rants.
That's actually 4 points. Epstein probably didn't kill himself. What does any of that have to do with Kerwin Walton?
This may not have a lot to do with Kerwin Walton either, but, as far as Epstein, there's a video on the Internet -- and remember, videos cannot lie -- that shows that Hillary killed Epstein in his prison cell. She was just starting to eat his entrails when she heard the guards coming, whereupon she vanished in a puff of smoke. As we speak, she's probably sending out emails about it (on an unprotected server, to boot).
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oski003 said:

calumnus said:

SFCityBear said:

KoreAmBear said:

Shooters are the way to go for us.
If one game is any indication, we have shooters, but we may not have enough. defenders. Fortunately, defense is easier to teach than shooting, and we have a coach now who is reputed to be good at teaching defense.


Fox's like Braun, had somewhat better defenses than offenses, but their reputation for "defense" largely came from slowing down the game, limiting possessions for both teams:

Here are Fox's National rankings in offensive efficiency (points per possession), defensive efficiency (opponent points per possession) and pace (possessions per 40 min) in his time at Georgia:
Year. Offense Defense Pace
09-10. 141. 253. 224
10-11. 129. 83. 267
11-12. 248. 200. 330
1213. 275. 102. 309
13-14. 179. 111. 253
14-15. 180. 75. 186
15-16. 226. 128. 226
16-17. 223. 112. 181
17-18. 230. 109. 337

In his time at Georgia the offense deteriorated and the defense improved, but only twice was the defense even in the top 100 in fewest points per opponent possession. However, the offensive efficiency of his Georgia teams was far worse, often in the 200s. So that, and the fact his teams were often among the very slowest playing in the country, that gave him the "plodding, no offense, defense first" reputation, but not because they played good defense and were actually good at stopping teams.

However, the past does not always predict the future, people can learn and improve and our offense looked efficient against Pepperdine. Getting a lights out 3 point shooter like Walton (and more like him) certainly can make your offense A LOT more efficient.
Defense can improve too. Hopefully if we have the advantage on both ends of the floor he will push the pace as well.

Go Bears!


What is the source of your stats? I am trying to reconcile those stats with the Stats that I can find that indicate Fox's teams were routinely in the top 25 in opponents fg %. Maybe they just foul a lot?
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/georgia/2013.html

Sports-reference.com

You are correct about Opponent FG%. For example, In his last year Georgia was #8 in the country in opponent FG% which sounds really good and combined with low scoring games is part of his reputation as a defensive coach.

However, they were only #91 in in opponent 3pt%, #349 in steals and opponent turnovers and #283 in fewest opponent offensive rebounds (worse on a per possession basis). Thus they did not create turnovers, gave up the 3 and gave up offensive rebounds, so opponents had lot of attempts per possession and made a good percentage from 3 even though the overall FG% was low. The result is that Georgia was #116 (I had it at #109 above, I'm not sure why) in fewest opponent points scored per possession, which is not particularly good.

That year Sagarin had Georgia as the #65 team in the country The year before they were #55 (Cal was #52) and the year before that Georgia was #75 and Cal was #29.

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Big C said:

concernedparent said:

helltopay1 said:

ursa: That hurt. OTOH, please review my two points
1) The teachers and administrators at our beloved Bezerkley are overwhelmingly left and
2) A lot of folks are breathing a terrific sigh off relief now that Mr. Epstein has graciously departed the scene
3) How come we Cal types walk and chew gum at the same time??
4) I suppose I could use the OT forum, but the assumption by some that we should compartmentalize everything is not terribly dispositive--especially when you consider that all the complaints are from the same lefty/liberal proponents on this board. However, I will try to improve my terrible behavior. and, one need not be on "meds" to follow the 'news" on a daily basis. ( something I've been doing daily for over 40 years) But, because I'm such an amiable sort, I will try to temper my political rants.
That's actually 4 points. Epstein probably didn't kill himself. What does any of that have to do with Kerwin Walton?
This may not have a lot to do with Kerwin Walton either, but, as far as Epstein, there's a video on the Internet -- and remember, videos cannot lie -- that shows that Hillary killed Epstein in his prison cell. She was just starting to eat his entrails when she heard the guards coming, whereupon she vanished in a puff of smoke. As we speak, she's probably sending out emails about it (on an unprotected server, to boot).


Seems legit. Lock her up.
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BC Calfan said:

I'm going to say this is good for us. Allows bluebloods like UNC and UA to recruit over him in that time frame
What often happens is bluebloods lose talent late to the NBA Draft process and give four stars some offers they might otherwise never have gotten. Not a bad strategy if you aren't worried about an injury messing it all up.
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calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

SFCityBear said:

KoreAmBear said:

Shooters are the way to go for us.
If one game is any indication, we have shooters, but we may not have enough. defenders. Fortunately, defense is easier to teach than shooting, and we have a coach now who is reputed to be good at teaching defense.


Fox's like Braun, had somewhat better defenses than offenses, but their reputation for "defense" largely came from slowing down the game, limiting possessions for both teams:

Here are Fox's National rankings in offensive efficiency (points per possession), defensive efficiency (opponent points per possession) and pace (possessions per 40 min) in his time at Georgia:
Year. Offense Defense Pace
09-10. 141. 253. 224
10-11. 129. 83. 267
11-12. 248. 200. 330
1213. 275. 102. 309
13-14. 179. 111. 253
14-15. 180. 75. 186
15-16. 226. 128. 226
16-17. 223. 112. 181
17-18. 230. 109. 337

In his time at Georgia the offense deteriorated and the defense improved, but only twice was the defense even in the top 100 in fewest points per opponent possession. However, the offensive efficiency of his Georgia teams was far worse, often in the 200s. So that, and the fact his teams were often among the very slowest playing in the country, that gave him the "plodding, no offense, defense first" reputation, but not because they played good defense and were actually good at stopping teams.

However, the past does not always predict the future, people can learn and improve and our offense looked efficient against Pepperdine. Getting a lights out 3 point shooter like Walton (and more like him) certainly can make your offense A LOT more efficient.
Defense can improve too. Hopefully if we have the advantage on both ends of the floor he will push the pace as well.

Go Bears!


What is the source of your stats? I am trying to reconcile those stats with the Stats that I can find that indicate Fox's teams were routinely in the top 25 in opponents fg %. Maybe they just foul a lot?
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/georgia/2013.html

Sports-reference.com

You are correct about Opponent FG%. For example, In his last year Georgia was #8 in the country in opponent FG% which sounds really good and combined with low scoring games is part of his reputation as a defensive coach.

However, they were only #91 in in opponent 3pt%, #349 in steals and opponent turnovers and #283 in fewest opponent offensive rebounds (worse on a per possession basis). Thus they did not create turnovers, gave up the 3 and gave up offensive rebounds, so opponents had lot of attempts per possession and made a good percentage from 3 even though the overall FG% was low. The result is that Georgia was #116 (I had it at #109 above, I'm not sure why) in fewest opponent points scored per possession, which is not particularly good.

That year Sagarin had Georgia as the #65 team in the country The year before they were #55 (Cal was #52) and the year before that Georgia was #75 and Cal was #29.


I haven't looked up the stats, but I recall that Monty's teams were fairly low in opp's turnovers and steals. That was because his philosophy was to stress fundamental defense limiting opponents to poor shots and preventing offensive rebounds rather than take chances for steals. Not saying that this was Fox's strategy necessarily, but it is not an uncommon one among good defensive coaches.
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