There are so many great game day experiences around the country that is amazing we cannot benchmark and learn from them. I spent two decades in Ann Arbor, and the whole town had a great game day experience, and not just at the games. I also never remember being overwhelmed by noise at the Big House or in Crisler Arena. In contrast, the non-crowd-generated noise level in Haas is really awful, and I have to read my cell phone to get consistent statistics. Amazingly, the noise level at the women's games in Haas is almost as bad even with small crowds due to the blaring loudspeakers and non-band music.

The timing of this thread stinks It's the beginning of a new chapter. Why didn't you post this anytime during the last 2 seasons? You had two years and now you bring this up?

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The timing of this thread stinks It's the beginning of a new chapter. Why didn't you post this anytime during the last 2 seasons? You had two years and now you bring this up?

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We need to have financial success in men's basketball for the sake of the entire athletic department. We are indeed starting a new chapter. So it's a good time to do everything possible to win back the fans who have left for a variety of reasons. I don't agree with all of the comments. But name a customer service or entertainment organization that has been successful without paying attention to its customer concerns as a top priority.

A few seasons back, I ended up moving my own seats up behind the band. It's not a great viewing location, but it at least lowers the overall decibels in Haas to a somewhat tolerable level.

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The timing of this thread stinks It's the beginning of a new chapter. Why didn't you post this anytime during the last 2 seasons? You had two years and now you bring this up?

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The timing of this thread stinks It's the beginning of a new chapter. Why didn't you post this anytime during the last 2 seasons? You had two years and now you bring this up?

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Probably cause like most of us, he checked out of Cal basketball while it was being run incompetently.

Has Knowlton attended a game? If he has then we are toast ... It's clear then he must walk around and think "yes, this is perfect."

Just about every organization I interact with sends me a periodic customer satisfaction survey. I worked in hospitals, and we had regular patient and family surveys to see what we could do better. I don't know why we have to take the initiative to try to track somebody down to offer an opinion. If they were really interested, we would be getting a regular customer survey, and any problems could be identified and immediately addressed. The people in charge could also be evaluated on the basis of these on-going surveys. In a public institution, you could even make these results publicly available.

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Yah if it's only the middle section, that must take 100 kids max to fill that out.

Of course the rest of the Bench is now supposed to by the CMB baseline. What was the most hostile venue in the Pac-10 (back then) is now a shell.

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I never attended a game at the old Harmon Gym, but from what I hear, I'd much rather have that now than Haas Pavilion, full or not.

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It was sooooo fun. And I am not talking about the outcome of games. Just being there.

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It is not so much what the OP says (he has valid points as Oaktown points out), but how he says it.

"There were few enough people at the game that I actually attempted to count the crowd. I'd guess maybe 1,100."*

"The team has two legitimate players on it: Bradley and Harris-Dyson."

I was at the game. After I read those two statements my basic feeling was, "I have nothing to learn from this person."

* His crowd estimate was off by a multiple of 3. Unlike OP, I've actually been to a Cal game with a crowd that small: One of Monty's NIT games at Haas.

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You're probably thinking of Braun's New Mexico NIT game at Haas or Cuonzo's fabulous CS Bakersfield NIT game at Haas where he pretty much decided he was no longer going coach.

Oh yes, the old Harmon was always rocking'! Hot, stuffy, and very, very, loud and in your face if you were the visiting team. Spent the early '70's thru 1989 there. It was the best. Good times.

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Bose Noise Cancelling over-the-ear headphones for the Win!

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Or, to save everyone else the trouble, hyper-amplified headphones for the sound person.

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touche!

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It is not so much what the OP says (he has valid points as Oaktown points out), but how he says it.

"There were few enough people at the game that I actually attempted to count the crowd. I'd guess maybe 1,100."*

"The team has two legitimate players on it: Bradley and Harris-Dyson."

I was at the game. After I read those two statements my basic feeling was, "I have nothing to learn from this person."

* His crowd estimate was off by a multiple of 3. Unlike OP, I've actually been to a Cal game with a crowd that small: One of Monty's NIT games at Haas.

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You're probably thinking of Braun's New Mexico NIT game at Haas or Cuonzo's fabulous CS Bakersfield NIT game at Haas where he pretty much decided he was no longer going coach.

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Monty; NIT; Cal vs Utah Valley; 2014; 1,800 and change attendance at Haas.

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Yah if it's only the middle section, that must take 100 kids max to fill that out.

Of course the rest of the Bench is now supposed to by the CMB baseline. What was the most hostile venue in the Pac-10 (back then) is now a shell.

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I never attended a game at the old Harmon Gym, but from what I hear, I'd much rather have that now than Haas Pavilion, full or not.

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It was sooooo fun. And I am not talking about the outcome of games. Just being there.

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It was the best place to watch a hoops game. Students would vie to be among the first who were let into the gym so they could grab a spot right on the floor. From there, one could rag the refs mercilessly. It was a loud, fun venue and definitely a huge home court advantage for the Bears.

Heck, I even had a final exam that was conducted in Harmon.

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Long-time poster using a different account so I can get real for a moment.

I attended my first Cal basketball game of this season tonight. Observations:

1). Less than 3 minutes after the game ended, when the band had just started playing its first post-game song, I was asked to get up and leave Haas by a security guard who was clearing out the crowd. The teams were literally still on the court shaking hands and security was trying to shoo me out the door. I rather coldly told security woman that I enjoy listening to the band's post game songs and I waved her off. About two minutes later, when the band was playing their second post game song (this is only about five minutes after the final bell), security man comes up to me and asks me to leave the arena. At this point, I'm pretty pissed off, and I explained to security man that I was going to listen to the ****ing band play a few songs whether he liked it or not. At that point, my fun, relaxing experience was pretty much ruined, my blood pressure was up, and I couldn't enjoy the band's third song (which was, I believe, Hail to California) as I had two security idiots glaring at me. Knowlton, are you listening? For what I pay for a ticket, I can't relax after the game for 10-15 minutes without being hassled by your GD security theater people? Wow. Maybe this is just a business, nothing else...just whisk the paying folks out the door as quickly as possible. What a crappy business model.

2). There were few enough people at the game that I actually attempted to count the crowd. I'd guess maybe 1,100. Depressing. Average age was about 55, with virtually no families or young kids. Dead silent environment until the crowd rallied with about one minute left in the game. I grew up in the Kidd/Abdur-Rahim era, and we've had some good teams since then as well. All I can say is Cal is doing something very wrong, and may never recover from Williams/Jones. Haas is a kinda sad place these days.

3). They've draped the big "California" banner below the American flag, where it rests on a platform and partially covers the names of Cal men's and women's teams that are painted on a platform. It looks sloppy, like no-one running the facility really gives a ***** And very noticeable in the sterile, plain rafters of the arena is the lack of the championship banners and retired player jerseys that used to hang proudly, items that would restore some character to the place. It is such a no-brainer that they should be hung back up it just depresses me that nobody at Cal seems to care.

4). Each corner of the scoreboard shows the players' numbers and their stats. Yet, when a Cal player scores and is running back up the court, that is EXACTLY when I always (used to) take a quick glance to see how many points that player has. However, the genius that runs the scoreboard has chosen to grey-out those corner stat boards with a grey "Cal" logo that lasts for about 10 seconds right after anybody scores, just long enough to ruin the purpose of the stats board. Nice work, fella.

5). We have a problem with many different shades of yellow/gold going on. Most noticeable is the "Make More Noise" thing that flashes on the main scoreboard. It is a very bright shade of yellow that is completely wrong for Cal and again, it makes you shake your head and wonder if the person running the place gives a *****

6). Credit to the Cal band for bringing much needed energy tonight. They're a huge part of the reason I still go to games. That said, the fact that they can't start playing Immediately upon a break in the action but instead have to wait with their thumbs up their asses while we all stare at screen time on the scoreboard (like any of us needs more screen time) while Cal and idiot Learfield remind us who is on the seemingly endless list of "game day sponsors" is depressing. Any spontaneity and momentum has been stripped from the game day experience. And, on a side note, I'm a bit surprised to see how much red is tolerated in the band, from a solid red Santa hand puppet someone was holding to red buttons on the vests to red hat decorations. Smh.

7). 8pm games suck. I got home to the Danville area via BART and parking at Orinda BART at 11:300pm. It's no wonder there's no families or young kids at the game. Who wants to get home at 11:30?

8). Sorry to be so negative. It's just I am having trouble reconciling two-plus decades of fun, sometimes elite basketball that I've enjoyed at Harmon/Haas that I was brought up on with what I saw out there tonight. The team has two legitimate players on it: Bradley and Harris-Dyson. That's it. I'll stop there as there's no point in denigrating the players. But if Fox can't recruit more fun, athletic players, this ain't gonna change, folks. This board can claim that "stars don't matter" all it wants but that's simply wrong.

I'll stop now. But a warning to Knowlton: tell your security folks to give people 15 minutes to bask in a win (or loss). If you don't fix that, I might never be back. And my name is on the GD wall of Haas as a (minor) donor.

Go Bears.

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I am dismayed at the response of some here to your post. It is symptomatic of a big problem with Cal athletics. For some people the athletic event is about the game and eff all the people who maybe enjoy other elements. And since Sandy, that has been the attitude of the Cal athletic department, I suspect out of ignorance. This is why, while ambivalent about Sandy, I think her reign was a disaster. She completely sanitized Cal athletics of anything Cal and had no understanding of any of the different constituents at the games and made no effort to try.

I'm going to tell my mother's story here. Her father went to Cal and it was a huge source of family pride. My parents had season tickets for decades in the family section because that was what they could afford. My mom loved the Cal band above all else. Cal football was also very important to her, but it was secondary to the band. The football team could be terrible, and if they were, she'd definitely complain and be as bitter about as any of us, but as long as there was the Cal band, she was there.

For 30 years of my life game day went as follows. You show up at Sproul for the pregame concert. When they finish on the steps you run as fast as you can through Sather gate to watch the band march through. You follow the band up through campus stopping at every stop to hear them play. You get to the stadium and get in to hear the pregame performance. You watch the game. As soon as the clock hits triple zero, you pack up your stuff as fast as you can and you run over to the 50 yard line to hear the post game show. As soon as they go into their last song, you book it over to the North tunnel and squeeze in with the others along the wall and get your ears blasted as the band plays marching through the tunnel. You follow them to Bowles Hall. "Hello Bowles Hall!". Then you follow them down Bancroft to Sproul.

And to be clear, this was not with a few parents and band groupies. There was a large crowd that did this. There were a lot of people that "came for the band" or at least for whom the band was an integral part of the experience.

In the years leading up to the opening of the new stadium, my mom got older and it became more and more physically difficult for her to do everything. She'd frequently have to stop and sit at the fountain outside Kroeber while we went and got the car. But she did as much as she could.

When the new stadium opened I got a call from my Mom. She realized that she just physically couldn't do 6 games a year anymore, but she wanted me to take her to the opening of the new stadium (because she couldn't go on her own). So of course I did. And we walked around the stadium and it was beautiful.

Of course, by this time the athletic department was muzzling the band during the game so they could play their ads and do their contests. But that is all part of having to make money. Then, after the game the reality hit. The sections were blocked off and security would not allow you to cross. You had to watch the band from far away in your section. The tunnel was blocked off and people were not allowed to exit that way which meant 1. You couldn't experience the band going through the tunnel and 2. You couldn't follow on their heels. If you watched the band play all their music and march out of the stadium you then had to run to your gate and find yourself waaaaay behind the band marching to Bowles Hall. You pretty much could not do both. The arrangement of the inner bowl of the stadium combined with the actions of security made it infeasible to enjoy the band the way fans had for decades. Basically in one go the tradition of the Cal band was greatly diminished.

It was the last game my mom ever went to. As I said, the games were physically difficult for her and the football she could watch on television. She could not watch the band on television, but effectively her band experience didn't remotely exist, so there was no reason for her to go.

My mom pretty much hated the new stadium because it ruined her whole experience. It did not have to be that way. Nothing she needed would cost the university a penny. It only took caring enough to know that you had this whole sizable group of fans that followed a tradition. The necessary changes would have been minor. I know this doesn't matter to many of you who like to leave and find a local watering hole, but it mattered to a lot of people.

I get that for some of you it is all about the game. That is fine. What my mom wanted and what Cautious wants do not impact that in any way. Your lack of respect and Cal's lack of respect are part of the reason the floor on Cal's attendance is so much lower than it used to be. More and more the in game experience is nothing more than watching the game, and frankly, the actual on the field product of college sports is no better than minor league baseball. Without all the other stuff, it is just minor league.

Cautious, the last basketball game I went to I had the same experience. I hung back with my wife and kids to listen to the band (see my family history above it is just what you do). Literally the back of the line of people who had picked up and left at triple zero were about 20 feet away from me when security was up telling me to get out. It isn't that important to me, so, while I did think "what the hell? The band just started playing" I didn't make an issue and just left. It is not a "it's late and we want to go home thing."

GMP I'm sorry but "they wanted to get home" is a pathetic excuse. If they do their job with reasonable politeness, I'm appreciative and sympathetic to the fact that it is a late night for them. If they don't want to do their job my attitude is if they can't wait ten minutes for Cal fans to finish the game experience they paid for, they can let somebody who is willing to do that job take it. They knew what the job was when they signed on. It might not be important to you, but it is important to other Cal fans. It is not like Cautious was asking to sit and talk with his buddies for 45 minutes after everything was over. The band plays like 3 songs after the game ends.

I also have to say that the attitude from some of you that somehow Cautious should shut up because Cal has managed to field a team that can beat opponents it should beat 99 out of 100 times is laughable. That is all it takes for Cal to be allowed to ignore its fans with impunity? I guarantee you Ohio State is not kicking fans out of the football stadium when the band is playing and Kansas is not kicking fans out of the arena when the band is playing. I hate to tell you this, but UNLV is not supposed to be a good team and the struggle we had to beat them is an indicator that rougher times may be ahead in conference (as we all expected). After what we've been through, we should absolutely appreciate every victory. Cautious is fully capable of appreciating a win and not appreciating being treated like crap by Cal staff. Frankly, national championships are no excuse for that (and I think you'd find see above that national championship type programs don't treat their fans that way). But certainly beating subpar midmajor teams is not a get out of jail free card for Cal's athletic administration.

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Oak - you did an excellent job of capturing the essence of the Cal football experience from my youth. The outcome of the game was secondary to the band, the card tricks, and the other Cal traditions. Going to the games and sitting in the end zone (while my parents sat on the west side) was always a great time and when Cal won, it was generally an unexpected bonus.

In my opinion, one of Barbour's biggest failings was her emphasis on "winning creates the experience". You can't guarantee a win but you can guarantee that attending games is a great family outing by providing all the "color and pageantry of a Saturday afternoon in the fall". Once Cal's fortunes on the field started slipping in the late Tedford era, there was nothing to fall back upon and fans walked away in droves. She had put all Cal's eggs in the basket of winning and that was a losing proposition from the beginning....

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Bench looked full

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Yah if it's only the middle section, that must take 100 kids max to fill that out.

Of course the rest of the Bench is now supposed to by the CMB baseline. What was the most hostile venue in the Pac-10 (back then) is now a shell.

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I never attended a game at the old Harmon Gym, but from what I hear, I'd much rather have that now than Haas Pavilion, full or not.

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It was sooooo fun. And I am not talking about the outcome of games. Just being there.

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It was the best place to watch a hoops game. Students would vie to be among the first who were let into the gym so they could grab a spot right on the floor. From there, one could rag the refs mercilessly. It was a loud, fun venue and definitely a huge home court advantage for the Bears.

Heck, I even had a final exam that was conducted in Harmon.

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I also had a final exam in Harmon. Good times.

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Yah if it's only the middle section, that must take 100 kids max to fill that out.

Of course the rest of the Bench is now supposed to by the CMB baseline. What was the most hostile venue in the Pac-10 (back then) is now a shell.

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I never attended a game at the old Harmon Gym, but from what I hear, I'd much rather have that now than Haas Pavilion, full or not.

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It was sooooo fun. And I am not talking about the outcome of games. Just being there.

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It was the best place to watch a hoops game. Students would vie to be among the first who were let into the gym so they could grab a spot right on the floor. From there, one could rag the refs mercilessly. It was a loud, fun venue and definitely a huge home court advantage for the Bears.

Heck, I even had a final exam that was conducted in Harmon.

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There were also some long stretches when you could show up at tip off and sit courtside. At the end of the Kuchen era, Harmon had a few games where attendance was worse than anything I've seen at Haas.

Winning (or at least competing) solves a lot of issues. BTW, the volume was too high again today. Then it was turned down somehow. But it got too loud again later. So there IS a volume control. Must be user error.

I used to walk into the Dick K games at Harmon and sit in the empty prime seats next to Walter H. Nobody was there.

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Bench looked full

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Yah if it's only the middle section, that must take 100 kids max to fill that out.

Of course the rest of the Bench is now supposed to by the CMB baseline. What was the most hostile venue in the Pac-10 (back then) is now a shell.

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I never attended a game at the old Harmon Gym, but from what I hear, I'd much rather have that now than Haas Pavilion, full or not.

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It was sooooo fun. And I am not talking about the outcome of games. Just being there.

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It was the best place to watch a hoops game. Students would vie to be among the first who were let into the gym so they could grab a spot right on the floor. From there, one could rag the refs mercilessly. It was a loud, fun venue and definitely a huge home court advantage for the Bears.

Heck, I even had a final exam that was conducted in Harmon.

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It was great times being on the floor at Harmon. We even got Sean Rooks to hurl a giant loogy at our feet which was caught on ESPN!

When Harmon got loud, at times it sounded like a sonic boom going off. That said, Hass can be pretty special too when packed - at least until they brought in the floor seats. I recall UCLA's Earl Watson admiring the atmosphere after losing a game and stating publicly he wished they had something similar at Pauly.

They reduced the sound volume until 10 minutes before the game. Prior to that you could talk to the person next to you. Cal band played more, which was nice to see. The scoreboard worked . Overall good experience.

I took a Final or two on Harmon's floor. I got my eyebrow spilt open by an elbow playing hoop in a Freshman PE class there. My seats there provided epic viewing of The Duellists: Arizona's Wayne Womack and our Brian Hendrick. Those men did not care much for one another. Blood feud.
Thanks to Al Gore's Information Superhighway, I was able to come up with one of the incidents:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-01-27-sp-473-story.html%3f_amp=true

I'd say the entire attempt to sell high dollar seats sacrificing the student courtside seats was a big mistake.

I've said many times that they should not have added the premium seats courtside, cut two big doors breaking up the student courtside seats to enter the sterile lounge (and eliminiting the Cal store)

I'm ok with the on the court row of seats, but they should not have added a second row because they had to reduce the student courtside seats (again) to accommodate them

That forces too many students to behind the basket, and splitting them up between the courtside seats and behind the basket sections, and therefore dilutes the total energy and fun from the students

Not sure how much the total capacity of courtside student seats were reduced by these two bad moves, but if you want to attract students because of the fun atmosphere, and to bring more energy to game day, they would change these things back.

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They reduced the sound volume until 10 minutes before the game. Prior to that you could talk to the person next to you. Cal band played more, which was nice to see. The scoreboard worked . Overall good experience.

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yeah, I just never understand this criticism of the music level in Haas. Prior to the sound upgrade, I would agree because playing music over speakers that can't handle it is BAD BAD BAD

I do agree that there was a time during pre-game where the music was very loud, but they brought the sound back down

Personally, I like the music and don't think it's too loud as it adds fun and energy to the game

Perhaps they should setup a place for people to send a private message to during the game to give the Haas staff feedback about things such as sound level, etc.

Speaking of music I heard on TV the Straw Hat Band playing Come On Eileen a classic song we can all sing. I loved the Save Ferris version I hope they can play that.

I agree with you regarding his comments about the players. Also the crowd did seem larger than he suggests. Your comment about the NIT game, which I attended, are correct. But I think that's a bit of an indictment of the fans, who spurn showing up unless we're in the NCAA tournament. The Monty teams were fun to watch.

Actually, though I know it's early, the Fox teams have been pretty fun to watch too, so far. I'm surprised that the offense is as strong as it is, albeit against less than stellar competition, given that Fox has a reputation as a mainly defensive coach, as I recall

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I'd say the entire attempt to sell high dollar seats sacrificing the student courtside seats was a big mistake.

I've said many times that they should not have added the premium seats courtside, cut two big doors breaking up the student courtside seats to enter the sterile lounge (and eliminiting the Cal store)

I'm ok with the on the court row of seats, but they should not have added a second row because they had to reduce the student courtside seats (again) to accommodate them

That forces too many students to behind the basket, and splitting them up between the courtside seats and behind the basket sections, and therefore dilutes the total energy and fun from the students

Not sure how much the total capacity of courtside student seats were reduced by these two bad moves, but if you want to attract students because of the fun atmosphere, and to bring more energy to game day, they would change these things back.

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I pretty much agree with all of this, but the real problem is that Cal lost its fan base - both Students and Alumni. They reacted by trying to VIP court side and adopting very generic and commercial gimmickry in a futile attempt to bring in fans that heretofore had no Cal allegiance.

It has been an abject failure. Most of the Alumni season ticket holders developed their loyalty as students. It has to start there, with the Students - my freshman stat teachers would give extra credit for attending mens bball games and doing some stats - double credit for women's games. Then the alumni - who bring their families and create more Cal fans. Following that the local community - which is tough because of the changing nature of the neighborhoods in the last few years.

I strongly doubt there is an east bay high school student that went to their first Cal bball game recently and came out of it telling their friends - "It was great - they did the Clap, Clap, Clap your hands cheer and had a dance cam! We've got to go back - it was the best $20 I ever spent".

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I agree with you regarding his comments about the players. Also the crowd did seem larger than he suggests. Your comment about the NIT game, which I attended, are correct. But I think that's a bit of an indictment of the fans, who spurn showing up unless we're in the NCAA tournament. The Monty teams were fun to watch.

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Mildly disagree. The fans have shown up to the NIT Tourney when they have been happy we made it. It's when the team underachieves and gets relegated to the NIT that they spurn showing up.

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I agree with you regarding his comments about the players. Also the crowd did seem larger than he suggests. Your comment about the NIT game, which I attended, are correct. But I think that's a bit of an indictment of the fans, who spurn showing up unless we're in the NCAA tournament. The Monty teams were fun to watch.

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Mildly disagree. The fans have shown up to the NIT Tourney when they have been happy we made it. It's when the team underachieves and gets relegated to the NIT that they spurn showing up.

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...but I did feel truly honored to be able to attend the Cal State Bakersfield NIT contest where I was able to see Cuonzo break the Guinness Book of World Records record for most bottles of water consumed on the sidelines of a basketball game: 6 cases.

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Speaking of music I heard on TV the Straw Hat Band playing Come On Eileen a classic song we can all sing. I loved the Save Ferris version I hope they can play that.

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what is the song they played during the pre-game highlights?
It sounded like a classic song to me, but not sure what it was (name, who sang it)

It's certainly different to play a classic song at that time compared to the current songs they've played in the past

The first time I heard it, I thought immediately of this board. Maybe the AD was so tired of people complaining about the "loud rap" music that they decided to change it up

I tried to have an open mind about it, and after a while decided that the song did have some good energy, but the jury is still out for me. Hopefully they change the song for different games throughout the season

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what is the song they played during the pre-game highlights?
It sounded like a classic song to me, but not sure what it was (name, who sang it)

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I'm not sure which game but I remember a cover of a Beatles song, I think Come Together. I usually (and in this case) prefer originals to covers.

The Straw Hat Band also plays an occasional Rolling Stones song.

I believe they also played Green Day's Basket Case

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what is the song they played during the pre-game highlights?
It sounded like a classic song to me, but not sure what it was (name, who sang it)

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I'm not sure which game but I remember a cover of a Beatles song, I think Come Together. I usually (and in this case) prefer originals to covers.

The Straw Hat Band also plays an occasional Rolling Stones song.

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I think the song I was thinking of WAS "come together"

because it was a cover, I didn't recognize it was the beatles song

thx for the answer

don't get me wrong, I do like it when the band plays classic songs. it just felt unusual for me to hear it for the pre-game video/intros

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don't get me wrong, I do like it when the band plays classic songs. it just felt unusual for me to hear it for the pre-game video/intros

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Just a guess: Come Together could be a title close to Fox's coaching theme.

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don't get me wrong, I do like it when the band plays classic songs. it just felt unusual for me to hear it for the pre-game video/intros

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Just a guess: Come Together could be a title close to Fox's coaching theme.

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good point. you might be right