Ursa wasn't defending the content of the post itself, which admittedly was pretty far over the top. He was correcting the responder's inaccurate summary of the First Amendment's impact on private speech. There is a difference.
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Not defending it at all. Just clarifying the idea about 1st amendment rights.MSaviolives said:While I agree on your comment about the 1st Amendment, m2's comment went far past a criticism of the post--it was a flat out ad hominem attack--calling the OP a miserable human being, a troll, a coward and an embarrassment to the Cal community. That is not a post that any of us should be defending.UrsaMajor said:Just to clear the record: Cautious does NOT have 1st amendment right to express his frustrations and feelings. You might want to re-read the 1st Amendment (or read it for the 1st time). It ONLY speaks to Congress (i.e., the government) preventing free speech. Privately owned message boards (or newspapers or families during Thanksgiving) have the right to censor anything they want. Oh, and for the record, no one is censoring Cautious here, just criticizing the post.helltopay1 said:
m2bear: please review your comment. Cautious has a first amendment right ( remember the first amendment) to express his frustrations and feelings. he is unhappy with much of the Cal experience regarding basketball. So am I. So is anyone who cares deeply about Cal basketball. So, in the future, address complaints with respect. BTW, his name is in the Haas lobby as befits donors who contributed to the building off Haas. That fact alone should garner him some respect. Personal ad hominem attacks have no place on this board. I have been instructed by the Moderator to post my political thoughts on the OT forum. Fair enough..I hope the moderator will advise you to think twice before resorting to personal insults.
Dear Ursa: Thank you so much for pointing out to me that
1) i'm not well and
2) my understanding of free speech is insufficient
3) What we do without liberal professors on campus lecturing the rest of us plebes about "free speech'?
4) Cal does have a reputation regarding tolerance of free speech from opposing viewpoints ( the reputation is well deserved) Naturally, you are in the forefront ( standing at the door) demanding that all viewpoints be honored & respected..
5) if I were a Las Vegas bookie giving odds on #4, I wonder what my odds would be??
6) surprise me
1) i'm not well and
2) my understanding of free speech is insufficient
3) What we do without liberal professors on campus lecturing the rest of us plebes about "free speech'?
4) Cal does have a reputation regarding tolerance of free speech from opposing viewpoints ( the reputation is well deserved) Naturally, you are in the forefront ( standing at the door) demanding that all viewpoints be honored & respected..
5) if I were a Las Vegas bookie giving odds on #4, I wonder what my odds would be??
6) surprise me
Good gracious CPByou had a miserable end to an evening of a hard-fought BB. Many of your points are valid and shared by other season ticket holders. As others (OskiDunker) have pointed out, direct them to Jim Knowlton. If you have facility issues, Gordon Bayne is your source. There is a production manager, but good luck there. Suggest you edit out the "snark" to make your point(s). Perhaps use bullet points so all of us can follow your thinking. Do you think perhaps there are some budget issues which cause the quick emptying of the arena? Do you really think Cal sets BB starting times? But I am truly puzzled how you expected Coach Fox and his assistants to mold this team into a Pac-12 contender over one summer after the last two years.
We are long time season ticket holders as well, perhaps more fortunate than you as we saw Cow Palace action back in the 1950's! The days of students standing in line for 48 hours to get precious seats in Harmon Gym are gone. The days of respecting "take of the red whatever", have disappeared. The color gold has many iterations, sometimes appearing greenish. It isn't easy to attend an 8:00 game, and that includes the staff, and the employees, who I find unfailingly polite, many of them returning for years. The Gold Standard help has also been consistently helpful. You sure aren't having a good time, and angry is no fun.
As for the players, last night's OT effort by our Bears was enjoyable. We see improvement in many of the players, not just the two you mentioned.
As in any organization, if you want to make change, go to the source(s) who has the ability to affect change. If change is not possible, you'll find out why (and let the rest of us know). Please discuss the "red santa" personally with the loud band member. He's a source.
We are long time season ticket holders as well, perhaps more fortunate than you as we saw Cow Palace action back in the 1950's! The days of students standing in line for 48 hours to get precious seats in Harmon Gym are gone. The days of respecting "take of the red whatever", have disappeared. The color gold has many iterations, sometimes appearing greenish. It isn't easy to attend an 8:00 game, and that includes the staff, and the employees, who I find unfailingly polite, many of them returning for years. The Gold Standard help has also been consistently helpful. You sure aren't having a good time, and angry is no fun.
As for the players, last night's OT effort by our Bears was enjoyable. We see improvement in many of the players, not just the two you mentioned.
As in any organization, if you want to make change, go to the source(s) who has the ability to affect change. If change is not possible, you'll find out why (and let the rest of us know). Please discuss the "red santa" personally with the loud band member. He's a source.
CautiouslyPessimisticBear said:
Long-time poster using a different account so I can get real for a moment.
I attended my first Cal basketball game of this season tonight. Observations:
1). Less than 3 minutes after the game ended, when the band had just started playing its first post-game song, I was asked to get up and leave Haas by a security guard who was clearing out the crowd. The teams were literally still on the court shaking hands and security was trying to shoo me out the door. I rather coldly told security woman that I enjoy listening to the band's post game songs and I waved her off. About two minutes later, when the band was playing their second post game song (this is only about five minutes after the final bell), security man comes up to me and asks me to leave the arena. At this point, I'm pretty pissed off, and I explained to security man that I was going to listen to the ****ing band play a few songs whether he liked it or not. At that point, my fun, relaxing experience was pretty much ruined, my blood pressure was up, and I couldn't enjoy the band's third song (which was, I believe, Hail to California) as I had two security idiots glaring at me. Knowlton, are you listening? For what I pay for a ticket, I can't relax after the game for 10-15 minutes without being hassled by your GD security theater people? Wow. Maybe this is just a business, nothing else...just whisk the paying folks out the door as quickly as possible. What a crappy business model.
2). There were few enough people at the game that I actually attempted to count the crowd. I'd guess maybe 1,100. Depressing. Average age was about 55, with virtually no families or young kids. Dead silent environment until the crowd rallied with about one minute left in the game. I grew up in the Kidd/Abdur-Rahim era, and we've had some good teams since then as well. All I can say is Cal is doing something very wrong, and may never recover from Williams/Jones. Haas is a kinda sad place these days.
3). They've draped the big "California" banner below the American flag, where it rests on a platform and partially covers the names of Cal men's and women's teams that are painted on a platform. It looks sloppy, like no-one running the facility really gives a ***** And very noticeable in the sterile, plain rafters of the arena is the lack of the championship banners and retired player jerseys that used to hang proudly, items that would restore some character to the place. It is such a no-brainer that they should be hung back up it just depresses me that nobody at Cal seems to care.
4). Each corner of the scoreboard shows the players' numbers and their stats. Yet, when a Cal player scores and is running back up the court, that is EXACTLY when I always (used to) take a quick glance to see how many points that player has. However, the genius that runs the scoreboard has chosen to grey-out those corner stat boards with a grey "Cal" logo that lasts for about 10 seconds right after anybody scores, just long enough to ruin the purpose of the stats board. Nice work, fella.
5). We have a problem with many different shades of yellow/gold going on. Most noticeable is the "Make More Noise" thing that flashes on the main scoreboard. It is a very bright shade of yellow that is completely wrong for Cal and again, it makes you shake your head and wonder if the person running the place gives a *****
6). Credit to the Cal band for bringing much needed energy tonight. They're a huge part of the reason I still go to games. That said, the fact that they can't start playing Immediately upon a break in the action but instead have to wait with their thumbs up their asses while we all stare at screen time on the scoreboard (like any of us needs more screen time) while Cal and idiot Learfield remind us who is on the seemingly endless list of "game day sponsors" is depressing. Any spontaneity and momentum has been stripped from the game day experience. And, on a side note, I'm a bit surprised to see how much red is tolerated in the band, from a solid red Santa hand puppet someone was holding to red buttons on the vests to red hat decorations. Smh.
7). 8pm games suck. I got home to the Danville area via BART and parking at Orinda BART at 11:300pm. It's no wonder there's no families or young kids at the game. Who wants to get home at 11:30?
8). Sorry to be so negative. It's just I am having trouble reconciling two-plus decades of fun, sometimes elite basketball that I've enjoyed at Harmon/Haas that I was brought up on with what I saw out there tonight. The team has two legitimate players on it: Bradley and Harris-Dyson. That's it. I'll stop there as there's no point in denigrating the players. But if Fox can't recruit more fun, athletic players, this ain't gonna change, folks. This board can claim that "stars don't matter" all it wants but that's simply wrong.
I'll stop now. But a warning to Knowlton: tell your security folks to give people 15 minutes to bask in a win (or loss). If you don't fix that, I might never be back. And my name is on the GD wall of Haas as a (minor) donor.
Go Bears.
But how do you REALLY feel about it?
Whats disturbing is that the same issues resurface every year. Ear plugs next time for sure. I wish I could talk to
My friend but the noise made it impossible all night. The volume goes up. The volume goes down. The music chosen is awful But I guess the students like it
My friend but the noise made it impossible all night. The volume goes up. The volume goes down. The music chosen is awful But I guess the students like it
Go Bears!
CautiouslyPessimisticBear said:
"That's TV" is not an acceptable excuse. I am not forgiving of how the University has *****d out the fan game day experience for TV, including six-day notification windows and ridiculously late start times. Basketball games should not start later than 7:30. Unless you think what they're doing right now is going so well...demonstrated by all 1,100 of us in attendance...
And I feel allowing fans 15-20 minutes to bask in a win is not asking too much, GMP. You're trying to link those two points, but that is a notion completely separate from whatever time the game ended. I couldn't care less if the security people want to get home for bedtime...nobody lowered the cost of my ticket...
Thank you for confirming you're a self-entitled, selfish person. Good riddance.
GMP said:CautiouslyPessimisticBear said:
"That's TV" is not an acceptable excuse. I am not forgiving of how the University has *****d out the fan game day experience for TV, including six-day notification windows and ridiculously late start times. Basketball games should not start later than 7:30. Unless you think what they're doing right now is going so well...demonstrated by all 1,100 of us in attendance...
And I feel allowing fans 15-20 minutes to bask in a win is not asking too much, GMP. You're trying to link those two points, but that is a notion completely separate from whatever time the game ended. I couldn't care less if the security people want to get home for bedtime...nobody lowered the cost of my ticket...
Thank you for confirming you're a self-entitled, selfish person. Good riddance.
I stayed in my seats for a good 20 minutes after the game. When approached by security I let them know I would be leaving after the band was done, and they let me stay.
Maybe the reason why OP was asked to leave is because he acted like a child. Perhaps OP can spend sometime learning how to speak to an adult instead of speaking down to someone.
His post reeks of entitlement and based on the fact he used a "fake" handle on a messageboard means he knows people would have issues with his post had he posted under his "real" handle.
OP needs to man up and just use his real handle
This thread sums up the Cal basketball aura.
Fox will be looking for a job in Texas soon.
Fox will be looking for a job in Texas soon.
Maybe the OP is really a new poster and just SAID he changed his handle for more presumed credibility.BearDown2o15 said:GMP said:CautiouslyPessimisticBear said:
"That's TV" is not an acceptable excuse. I am not forgiving of how the University has *****d out the fan game day experience for TV, including six-day notification windows and ridiculously late start times. Basketball games should not start later than 7:30. Unless you think what they're doing right now is going so well...demonstrated by all 1,100 of us in attendance...
And I feel allowing fans 15-20 minutes to bask in a win is not asking too much, GMP. You're trying to link those two points, but that is a notion completely separate from whatever time the game ended. I couldn't care less if the security people want to get home for bedtime...nobody lowered the cost of my ticket...
Thank you for confirming you're a self-entitled, selfish person. Good riddance.
I stayed in my seats for a good 20 minutes after the game. When approached by security I let them know I would be leaving after the band was done, and they let me stay.
Maybe the reason why OP was asked to leave is because he acted like a child. Perhaps OP can spend sometime learning how to speak to an adult instead of speaking down to someone.
His post reeks of entitlement and based on the fact he used a "fake" handle on a messageboard means he knows people would have issues with his post had he posted under his "real" handle.
OP needs to man up and just use his real handle
Why does it even matter if the poster is your garden variety anonymous poster, or an anonymous poster with a different anonymity? (Okay, I don't even know what that means! Is there even a word for this? If so, maybe it will be designated "2019 New Word of the Year"!)
Now that the team will be drawing fans, this may be a good time to express frustration constructively to the AD.
He spent a lot of time with the game experience at Memorial and I see improvements. Haas should be next. You could also contact Fox, because he cares very much about getting people in the seats. Much more likely to get better results than listing grievances here.
He spent a lot of time with the game experience at Memorial and I see improvements. Haas should be next. You could also contact Fox, because he cares very much about getting people in the seats. Much more likely to get better results than listing grievances here.
Nor was it accurate. There are several players better than JHD on the roster. Bradley is #1 by far.oski003 said:
I actually enjoyed the post as constructive criticism until it got to comment regarding all players not named mb or jhd. That was an awful comment.
bearister said:
You clearly were not a loyal fan last year that suffered through a record breaking 16 consecutive losses. Those of us that did are doing cartwheels over the fact we actually have a basketball coach and players who are buying in and playing hard. I was at the game last night and experienced the sheer joy of watching the application of in game coaching strategy that resulted in the winning of a highly contested game, a phenomena that has not occurred involving a Cal basketball team for many years. I have been a season ticket holder since 1987.
I have a friend who is a Cal basketball season ticket holder and he said the exact same thing. "It was nice to just watch basketball again."
Pigskin Pete said:Nor was it accurate. There are several players better than JHD on the roster. Bradley is #1 by far.oski003 said:
I actually enjoyed the post as constructive criticism until it got to comment regarding all players not named mb or jhd. That was an awful comment.
The OP showed his lack of basketball knowledge. The following, at the present time have superior offensive basketball skills:
Grant Anticevich
Joel Brown
Paris Austin
Kareem South
Andre Kelly
Jacobi Gordon
JHD is the best athlete on the team and a very valuable member of the team. He has elite gifts and would probably be very good at multiple sports. MB was the best player on the team the day his shoes first touched Pete Newell Court. Our best player stayed and didn't bail.
*The names are listed in the order they appear on the roster.
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I agreed with your clarification on 1st Amendment rights. I responded to your statement that "no one is censoring Cautious here, just criticizing the post," by pointing out that at least "one" was not "just" criticizing the post. That said, I accept that you did not intend to defend the post and were making the point that criticism is not censorship. Peace brother Bear.UrsaMajor said:Not defending it at all. Just clarifying the idea about 1st amendment rights.MSaviolives said:While I agree on your comment about the 1st Amendment, m2's comment went far past a criticism of the post--it was a flat out ad hominem attack--calling the OP a miserable human being, a troll, a coward and an embarrassment to the Cal community. That is not a post that any of us should be defending.UrsaMajor said:Just to clear the record: Cautious does NOT have 1st amendment right to express his frustrations and feelings. You might want to re-read the 1st Amendment (or read it for the 1st time). It ONLY speaks to Congress (i.e., the government) preventing free speech. Privately owned message boards (or newspapers or families during Thanksgiving) have the right to censor anything they want. Oh, and for the record, no one is censoring Cautious here, just criticizing the post.helltopay1 said:
m2bear: please review your comment. Cautious has a first amendment right ( remember the first amendment) to express his frustrations and feelings. he is unhappy with much of the Cal experience regarding basketball. So am I. So is anyone who cares deeply about Cal basketball. So, in the future, address complaints with respect. BTW, his name is in the Haas lobby as befits donors who contributed to the building off Haas. That fact alone should garner him some respect. Personal ad hominem attacks have no place on this board. I have been instructed by the Moderator to post my political thoughts on the OT forum. Fair enough..I hope the moderator will advise you to think twice before resorting to personal insults.
bearister said:Pigskin Pete said:Nor was it accurate. There are several players better than JHD on the roster. Bradley is #1 by far.oski003 said:
I actually enjoyed the post as constructive criticism until it got to comment regarding all players not named mb or jhd. That was an awful comment.
The OP showed his lack of basketball knowledge. The following, at the present time have superior offensive basketball skills:
Grant Anticevich
Joel Brown
Paris Austin
Kareem South
Andre Kelly
Jacobi Gordon
JHD is the best athlete on the team and a very valuable member of the team. He has elite gifts and would probably be very good at multiple sports. MB was the best player on the team the day his shoes first touched Pete Newell Court. Our best player stayed and didn't bail.
*The names are listed in the order they appear on the roster.
JHD seems like he'd be a phenomenal db on the football team.
It wouldn't be too surprising if fewer people made the PA seem louder since the sound bounces off all that exposed hard surface. Same reason the crowd, when people finally got into it, sounded louder than expected too. In general, though, all the promo b.s. and people shouting into mics really detracts from the experience. It'd be nice to be able to have a conversation about the game during timeouts with someone sitting next to you without shouting.glutton said:What was Gordon's response about the PA volume? We also found it louder than normal last night, and to make things worse, the female mic person seemed to keep shouting into the mic. Some of Nassir's PA promos were ear-splitting. We weren't sure if the fact that there was a small crowd made the PA volume seem higher.oskidunker said:
I emailed Gordon Bayne last night about the loud pa and got a reply this morning. It was so loud I could not talk anyone at any time. Game was great . The scoreboard issues are really annoying, I agree.So far it usually 5 minutes in to the game before they get it working. Substitutions are not processes on time..
These are minor things.we always leave at the end to hear the radio post game. Not sure I would want to stay any later to hear more band.
jim.knowlton@berkeley.edu He is very responsive.
As for the original poster's complaint about having security try to shoo you out while the band was still playing, I agree that they should let fans stay until the band is done, regardless of what time a game ends. If management decides to shoo the band out too, then that's a different story.
Yeah, I really couldn't hear the conversation going on next to me at all. People had to talk directly at me in order for me to hear them. Almost like being at a concert.
Received an email from Jim Knowlton about why the arena is only open an hour before game time. Said not enough people came 90 minutes early and it did not make sense to pay people for the extra half hour. I assume same reasoning goes for closing early.
If they opened early and had a nice buffet maybe we would not eat at Top Dog.
If they opened early and had a nice buffet maybe we would not eat at Top Dog.
Go Bears!
I have been a Cal fan since Pete Newell was coach. The place was electric then. Standing room only. Every game. When I went to my first Nevada game I did not know what to expect. I was really surprised at the atmosphere. Much better than Haas. Community support in Northern Nevada for UNR basketball is great. Berkeley? Not so much.
Who cares if Nevada is packed.
Go Bears!
fifyoskidunker said:
Who cares if Nevada is wolfpacked.
caltagjohnson said:
I have been a Cal fan since Pete Newell was coach. The place was electric then. Standing room only. Every game. When I went to my first Nevada game I did not know what to expect. I was really surprised at the atmosphere. Much better than Haas. Community support in Northern Nevada for UNR basketball is great. Berkeley? Not so much.
Harmon should have been expanded to 7500 not 12,500.
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bearister said:caltagjohnson said:
I have been a Cal fan since Pete Newell was coach. The place was electric then. Standing room only. Every game. When I went to my first Nevada game I did not know what to expect. I was really surprised at the atmosphere. Much better than Haas. Community support in Northern Nevada for UNR basketball is great. Berkeley? Not so much.
Harmon should have been expanded to 7500 not 12,500.
Harmon should have been left alone. It was consistently voted one of the best home courts in college ball.
Blame Kidd. With his arrival Harmon no longer sufficed. Even students were getting shut out.dimitrig said:bearister said:caltagjohnson said:
I have been a Cal fan since Pete Newell was coach. The place was electric then. Standing room only. Every game. When I went to my first Nevada game I did not know what to expect. I was really surprised at the atmosphere. Much better than Haas. Community support in Northern Nevada for UNR basketball is great. Berkeley? Not so much.
Harmon should have been expanded to 7500 not 12,500.
Harmon should have been left alone. It was consistently voted one of the best home courts in college ball.
I loved everything about Harmon (including throwing hot pennies onto the floor to protest a bad call), but its capacity was under 6000. That was not enough. During Monty's era, our average attendance was just shy of 9000. That's 50% greater than the old Harmon. Hopefully we will hit that again if the team continues to improve.dimitrig said:bearister said:caltagjohnson said:
I have been a Cal fan since Pete Newell was coach. The place was electric then. Standing room only. Every game. When I went to my first Nevada game I did not know what to expect. I was really surprised at the atmosphere. Much better than Haas. Community support in Northern Nevada for UNR basketball is great. Berkeley? Not so much.
Harmon should have been expanded to 7500 not 12,500.
Harmon should have been left alone. It was consistently voted one of the best home courts in college ball.
I have to say I like it better when Cal fans complain about the arena and other fans instead of complaining about the coach or the players. If we have to complain about something, let it be that, and if the team plays well enough, maybe we can leave the team alone.
You don't see a lot of 6'5" DB'soski003 said:bearister said:Pigskin Pete said:Nor was it accurate. There are several players better than JHD on the roster. Bradley is #1 by far.oski003 said:
I actually enjoyed the post as constructive criticism until it got to comment regarding all players not named mb or jhd. That was an awful comment.
The OP showed his lack of basketball knowledge. The following, at the present time have superior offensive basketball skills:
Grant Anticevich
Joel Brown
Paris Austin
Kareem South
Andre Kelly
Jacobi Gordon
JHD is the best athlete on the team and a very valuable member of the team. He has elite gifts and would probably be very good at multiple sports. MB was the best player on the team the day his shoes first touched Pete Newell Court. Our best player stayed and didn't bail.
*The names are listed in the order they appear on the roster.
JHD seems like he'd be a phenomenal db on the football team.
Matt Bradley seems like he'd be a phenomenal tight end or linebacker. But I'm happy with him right where he is!oski003 said:bearister said:Pigskin Pete said:Nor was it accurate. There are several players better than JHD on the roster. Bradley is #1 by far.oski003 said:
I actually enjoyed the post as constructive criticism until it got to comment regarding all players not named mb or jhd. That was an awful comment.
The OP showed his lack of basketball knowledge. The following, at the present time have superior offensive basketball skills:
Grant Anticevich
Joel Brown
Paris Austin
Kareem South
Andre Kelly
Jacobi Gordon
JHD is the best athlete on the team and a very valuable member of the team. He has elite gifts and would probably be very good at multiple sports. MB was the best player on the team the day his shoes first touched Pete Newell Court. Our best player stayed and didn't bail.
*The names are listed in the order they appear on the roster.
JHD seems like he'd be a phenomenal db on the football team.
I believe it was a bit OVER 6000, but that's splitting hairs. There was talk at the time that a venue that could seat 12,000 would be able to host other events, as well. Not sure what they've ever done with that.UrsaMajor said:I loved everything about Harmon (including throwing hot pennies onto the floor to protest a bad call), but its capacity was under 6000. That was not enough. During Monty's era, our average attendance was just shy of 9000. That's 50% greater than the old Harmon. Hopefully we will hit that again if the team continues to improve.dimitrig said:bearister said:caltagjohnson said:
I have been a Cal fan since Pete Newell was coach. The place was electric then. Standing room only. Every game. When I went to my first Nevada game I did not know what to expect. I was really surprised at the atmosphere. Much better than Haas. Community support in Northern Nevada for UNR basketball is great. Berkeley? Not so much.
Harmon should have been expanded to 7500 not 12,500.
Harmon should have been left alone. It was consistently voted one of the best home courts in college ball.
When was the last time Haas was sold out and packed? Was it the time when we had Justin Cobbs and upset #1 Arizona?
Hass was later modified to hold just over 10K due to ADA requirements, which disqualified it from hosting the NCAA tourney.Big C said:I believe it was a bit OVER 6000, but that's splitting hairs. There was talk at the time that a venue that could seat 12,000 would be able to host other events, as well. Not sure what they've ever done with that.UrsaMajor said:I loved everything about Harmon (including throwing hot pennies onto the floor to protest a bad call), but its capacity was under 6000. That was not enough. During Monty's era, our average attendance was just shy of 9000. That's 50% greater than the old Harmon. Hopefully we will hit that again if the team continues to improve.dimitrig said:bearister said:caltagjohnson said:
I have been a Cal fan since Pete Newell was coach. The place was electric then. Standing room only. Every game. When I went to my first Nevada game I did not know what to expect. I was really surprised at the atmosphere. Much better than Haas. Community support in Northern Nevada for UNR basketball is great. Berkeley? Not so much.
Harmon should have been expanded to 7500 not 12,500.
Harmon should have been left alone. It was consistently voted one of the best home courts in college ball.
When was the last time Haas was sold out and packed? Was it the time when we had Justin Cobbs and upset #1 Arizona?
IIRC, I think Harmon held around 6500-6600.
Big C said:
Matt Bradley seems like he'd be a phenomenal tight end or linebacker. But I'm happy with him right where he is!
He also has the precise dimensions of a heavyweight boxing champ. He is the perfect height and weight to destroy any man.
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11,858 capacity now, down from ~12.3kCivil Bear said:Hass was later modified to hold just over 10K due to ADA requirements, which disqualified it from hosting the NCAA tourney.Big C said:I believe it was a bit OVER 6000, but that's splitting hairs. There was talk at the time that a venue that could seat 12,000 would be able to host other events, as well. Not sure what they've ever done with that.UrsaMajor said:I loved everything about Harmon (including throwing hot pennies onto the floor to protest a bad call), but its capacity was under 6000. That was not enough. During Monty's era, our average attendance was just shy of 9000. That's 50% greater than the old Harmon. Hopefully we will hit that again if the team continues to improve.dimitrig said:bearister said:caltagjohnson said:
I have been a Cal fan since Pete Newell was coach. The place was electric then. Standing room only. Every game. When I went to my first Nevada game I did not know what to expect. I was really surprised at the atmosphere. Much better than Haas. Community support in Northern Nevada for UNR basketball is great. Berkeley? Not so much.
Harmon should have been expanded to 7500 not 12,500.
Harmon should have been left alone. It was consistently voted one of the best home courts in college ball.
When was the last time Haas was sold out and packed? Was it the time when we had Justin Cobbs and upset #1 Arizona?
If anyone @ Cal thought that Haas at 12.3k would get any big money NCAA events with the Oakland Arena and Shark Tank in the area with far greater capacity and actual chairbacks for everyone, they were smokin something good.
The real problem with Haas having so many seats and being empty so often is that they could have built the arena in the same new footprint but with decently comfortable chairbacks spanning more of capacity. Instead it's terribly uncomfortable outside of the 3k donor chairbacks. Same issue with CMS actually. Regular fans that would spend some decent money on a decent seat (that won't drop a couple grand a year on donor seats) don't have much incentive to get season tickets.
Basketball chair backs are pretty well subscribed. Football not much .
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