R90 said:

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To be clear... we aren't currently a NCAA tournament caliber team, and we're probably heading for a bottom 4 finish in the PAC-12 conference.

However, we're not nearly as bad as most posters are saying after this one loss. We didn't shoot well last night, and shooting in a specific game is the variable that often makes the difference. As for the claim that we don't have enough shooters...

3P%
Kelley 66.7%
Anticevich 52.4%
Brown 50.0%
Bradley 48.6%
Gordon 37.5%
South 32.1%
Team after 8 games: 41.6%
Team last night: 28.6%

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Don't go pull a MoragaBear and try to tell us that those guys who haven't collectively shot a lot amount of 3's are good 3 point shooters. It's fairly clear that Brown is fairly passive about looking for his own offense and that Kelly doesn't get many opportunities to shoot outside. I think they need to get more creative with Kelly and Granticevich to get them more open jumpers.

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Relative Game Performance based on Sagarin ratings:
85.72 Pepperdine
72.75 UNLV
88.50 Cal Baptist
69.19 Prairie View A&M
58.56 Duke
66.12 Texas
67.59 UC Davis
69.20 USF
72.20 (8 game average)

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I might be able to figure this out...having some knowledge of Sagarin

but please explain "Relative Game Performance".

Small data samples can be very misleading.

One reason we have a small sample size is that we can't generate 3-pt shots. That's party a function of style of play, party a lack of interior threat and partly lack of ability to actually get open. There's a skill to getting 3-pt shots that's under appreciated. Even Bradley is below average in this regard. It requires movement, efficient movement, quickness and a quick release. Only Anticevich has a quick release. Though his rushed shots often miss by quite a margin.

Second, you can tell by watching players whether they are good 3-pt shooters. Joel Brown may have a good percentage currently, but he's NOT a good shooter.

I think South is a decent shooter, but suffers from size and team style of play.

Gordon is ok but on the inconsistent side.

Anticevich can make them, but he's too slow to generate shots. It's a shame. He's a stretch 4 and needs a viable interior threat and needs to move better to be more effective. It's an obvious difference when we play decent/good teams compared to less athletic teams.

Bradley is shooting at a high percentage and he can shoot deep due to his strength. But his release is slow and therefore needs more space to get it off.

Austin and Harris Dyson are terrible.

In short, we routinely have at least 3 guys on the floor that are zero threat to shoot a 3. That, combined with style of play, lack of athleticism and lack of interior threat is making it very difficult to get enough shots up.

I'd rather be making 35% of 25 attempts per game than 45% of 10 attempts per game.

Bjorn91 said:

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Anticevich can make them, but he's too slow to generate shots. It's a shame. He's a stretch 4 and needs a viable interior threat and needs to move better to be more effective. It's an obvious difference when we play decent/good teams compared to less athletic teams.

Austin and Harris Dyson are terrible.

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Watching JHD in warmups, he hits a very high percentage of his 3s and looks good doing it. In games he's just not in his groove, but he'll go off sometime soon, and his confidence will grow.

Anticevich is OK inside against smaller bigs. He's great midrange, busting a zone from the free throw line. That makes teams play more man against us, and he's very good as a pick and pop threat with Bradley or South.

Bjorn91 said:

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Small data samples can be very misleading.

One reason we have a small sample size is that we can't generate 3-pt shots. That's party a function of style of play, party a lack of interior threat and partly lack of ability to actually get open. There's a skill to getting 3-pt shots that's under appreciated. Even Bradley is below average in this regard. It requires movement, efficient movement, quickness and a quick release. Only Anticevich has a quick release. Though his rushed shots often miss by quite a margin.

Second, you can tell by watching players whether they are good 3-pt shooters. Joel Brown may have a good percentage currently, but he's NOT a good shooter.

I think South is a decent shooter, but suffers from size and team style of play.

Gordon is ok but on the inconsistent side.

Anticevich can make them, but he's too slow to generate shots. It's a shame. He's a stretch 4 and needs a viable interior threat and needs to move better to be more effective. It's an obvious difference when we play decent/good teams compared to less athletic teams.

Bradley is shooting at a high percentage and he can shoot deep due to his strength. But his release is slow and therefore needs more space to get it off.

Austin and Harris Dyson are terrible.

In short, we routinely have at least 3 guys on the floor that are zero threat to shoot a 3. That, combined with style of play, lack of athleticism and lack of interior threat is making it very difficult to get enough shots up.

I'd rather be making 35% of 25 attempts per game than 45% of 10 attempts per game.

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I agree with most of this. In light of what you are saying, it is difficult for players to get consistency with long range shots, when they have very few attempts per game. Many shooters have to get warmed up to shoot well. Brown is averaging one attempt per game, Gordon two attempts per game. Gordon might sit on the bench for 25 minutes before the coach sends him into the game. By then he's ice-cold. I think he is doing well to make the ones he did make. His first game was his best 2-2, I think. Brown had the big game were he went 3-3, but his first one probably missed badly, but bounced in off the glass. His second was closer to the target, hitting the top of the rim and bouncing straight up, but luckily fell in the basket. His third shot was on the money. It may be that he needs more warmup to shoot better, but how can he get consistent, while averaging one attempt per game? And we don't need players missing three pointers to get themselves warmed up. The scary part was the Brown said afterward that after he made each shot he got more confident. How a player can get confidence from shooting bricks, I'll never know.

I don't want this team taking 25 three point shots per game. 18 per game is about average for the NCAA. If we shoot 25 threes, we'll be even easier to defend, because we are not mixing in enough two-point shots. And a team which depends heavily on the three is affected by cold shooting by a player or two, or even a team-wide slump. Players have stretches where they can't make any threes. This happens less the closer to the basket you are when you are shooting. I've not seen players go into slumps or bad stretches where they just can't make a layup.

Well this Santa Clara game is another data point

Trust me, I don't want THIS team shooting 25 threes per game either.

R90 said:

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Bjorn91 said:

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Anticevich can make them, but he's too slow to generate shots. It's a shame. He's a stretch 4 and needs a viable interior threat and needs to move better to be more effective. It's an obvious difference when we play decent/good teams compared to less athletic teams.

Austin and Harris Dyson are terrible.

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Watching JHD in warmups, he hits an a very percentage of his 3s and looks good doing it. In games he's just not in his groove, but he'll go off sometime soon, and his confidence will grow.

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I get the feeling that the JHD fans are the same people who feel that the jury is still out on Beau Baldwin. 3 years in and we're talking about what his shot looks like in warmups. I guess the Stephen Domingo era taught us nothing.

Pigskin Pete said:

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R90 said:

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Bjorn91 said:

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Anticevich can make them, but he's too slow to generate shots. It's a shame. He's a stretch 4 and needs a viable interior threat and needs to move better to be more effective. It's an obvious difference when we play decent/good teams compared to less athletic teams.

Austin and Harris Dyson are terrible.

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Watching JHD in warmups, he hits an a very percentage of his 3s and looks good doing it. In games he's just not in his groove, but he'll go off sometime soon, and his confidence will grow.

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I get the feeling that the JHD fans are the same people who feel that the jury is still out on Beau Baldwin. 3 years in and we're talking about what his shot looks like in warmups. I guess the Stephen Domingo era taught us nothing.

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Section 7 has JHD's back

OaktownBear said:

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Pigskin Pete said:

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R90 said:

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Bjorn91 said:

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Anticevich can make them, but he's too slow to generate shots. It's a shame. He's a stretch 4 and needs a viable interior threat and needs to move better to be more effective. It's an obvious difference when we play decent/good teams compared to less athletic teams.

Austin and Harris Dyson are terrible.

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Watching JHD in warmups, he hits an a very percentage of his 3s and looks good doing it. In games he's just not in his groove, but he'll go off sometime soon, and his confidence will grow.

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I get the feeling that the JHD fans are the same people who feel that the jury is still out on Beau Baldwin. 3 years in and we're talking about what his shot looks like in warmups. I guess the Stephen Domingo era taught us nothing.

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Section 7 has JHD's back

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