got some length and hops

Dunks so overrated

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Dunks so overrated

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Old Blues may not appreciate the dunk but have to be impressed with that sprint back on D!

Another angle!

Currently we have no one on the team that can finish like that.

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The ability to draw a defender out and take advantage by driving to the hoop with some explosiveness is not overrated. He had a defender coming at him in a hurry, which either means he's a threat from outside as well or the defender is horribly stupid.

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Dunks so overrated

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The ability to draw a defender out and take advantage by driving to the hoop with some explosiveness is not overrated. He had a defender coming at him in a hurry, which either means he's a threat from outside as well or the defender is horribly stupid.

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Supposed to be a good shooter, but also not heavily recruited, so I'm waiting to see what he can do in a year. I just think that 90% of dunk highlights are a snooze. Give me a dunk like Joe Shipp in the tourney vs. Penn if you want to get me excited.

You're missing the larger point, IMO. The value of a dunk comes less from the excitement than the extremely high percentage of making the shot and getting an easy bucket without having to rely on making a lower percentage shot. The more easy shots/scores you can get, the better your chance of winning.

Beyond that, recruiting player(s) to your team that show they are capable of creating shots for themselves and teammates makes your team that much more dangerous. I don't care that much about Bowser's dunk in that clip (though perhaps more than you do) but I am excited about the athleticism he exhibited which I did not know was part of his game. In my mind, that improves the chances of him being a good player for our team during his Cal career. We're gonna need all the athletic talent we can find in the next few years.

When I see Bowser this is all that comes to mind:

dimitrig said:

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When I see Bowser this is all that comes to mind:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Currently we have no one on the team that can finish like that.

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Thanks for confirming that.

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Currently we have no one on the team that can finish like that.

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Watch JHD's high school highlights. Or Jacobi Gordon or Kuany's highlights.

It can be hard to predict how players adjust to college hoops. There's so many variables involved.

Perhaps he's being overlooked by the scouting services, but Bowser isn't particularly highly rated at this time. Most of his offers were low to mid major. Doesn't mean he can't or won't be good for us, but no need to farcically diminish the roster we have. Hopefully, Fox's evaluation ability is sharp and he sees some untapped potential that he can unlock with Bowser and the other guys he's signed.

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Currently we have no one on the team that can finish like that.

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Watch JHD's high school highlights. Or Jacobi Gordon or Kuany's highlights.

It can be hard to predict how players adjust to college hoops. There's so many variables involved.

Perhaps he's being overlooked by the scouting services, but Bowser isn't particularly highly rated at this time. Most of his offers were low to mid major. Doesn't mean he can't or won't be good for us, but no need to farcically diminish the roster we have. Hopefully, Fox's evaluation ability is sharp and he sees some untapped potential that he can unlock with Bowser and the other guys he's signed.

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Good post

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New offer:

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New offer:

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Thanks.

Gonzaga also.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2020/tyrin-lawrence-234981#school-interests

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Currently we have no one on the team that can finish like that.

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Watch JHD's high school highlights. Or Jacobi Gordon or Kuany's highlights.

It can be hard to predict how players adjust to college hoops. There's so many variables involved.

Perhaps he's being overlooked by the scouting services, but Bowser isn't particularly highly rated at this time. Most of his offers were low to mid major. Doesn't mean he can't or won't be good for us, but no need to farcically diminish the roster we have. Hopefully, Fox's evaluation ability is sharp and he sees some untapped potential that he can unlock with Bowser and the other guys he's signed.

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Very true. Bowser supposedly can shoot, which would be a distinction from JHD, but a high school highlight isn't a real basis for much. I don't really have expectations of the two wings we signed coming in and making a big impact in year one, I'm more hoping they develop enough to do that the next year. We could use athletic, good-shooting long wings, but those are also guys who usually are on the radar more than this.

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Currently we have no one on the team that can finish like that.

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Watch JHD's high school highlights. Or Jacobi Gordon or Kuany's highlights.

It can be hard to predict how players adjust to college hoops. There's so many variables involved.

Perhaps he's being overlooked by the scouting services, but Bowser isn't particularly highly rated at this time. Most of his offers were low to mid major. Doesn't mean he can't or won't be good for us, but no need to farcically diminish the roster we have. Hopefully, Fox's evaluation ability is sharp and he sees some untapped potential that he can unlock with Bowser and the other guys he's signed.

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Watch JHD's high school highlights. Or Jacobi Gordon or Kuany's highlights.

It can be hard to predict how players adjust to college hoops. There's so many variables involved.

Perhaps he's being overlooked by the scouting services, but Bowser isn't particularly highly rated at this time. Most of his offers were low to mid major. Doesn't mean he can't or won't be good for us, but no need to farcically diminish the roster we have. Hopefully, Fox's evaluation ability is sharp and he sees some untapped potential that he can unlock with Bowser and the other guys he's signed.

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Good post

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Like I told beardog26. Dunks so overrated.

If I'd seen that highlight back in the day, I would've immediately questioned whether JHD could shoot. But hey, that one dunk was nice amongst all the layups.

FWIW, Eric Bossi recently saw Bowser and was sufficiently impressed that he said Rivals will have to consider him for the 2020 Rivals 150. For more of his comments, Google "Tarkanian Classic Bossi's takeaways." I'd post a link, but then the BI Gestapo would just delete it and possibly ban me.

Dunks dont tell you anything.

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FWIW, Eric Bossi recently saw Bowser and was sufficiently impressed that he said Rivals will have to consider him for the 2020 Rivals 150. For more of his comments, Google "Tarkanian Classic Bossi's takeaways." I'd post a link, but then the BI Gestapo would just delete it and possibly ban me.

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No worries.....even your clue was too vague. I couldn't find anything

At the very least I can see him turning into an upper echelon Pac 12 defender because of his length, instincts and ability to move his feet.

BTW: It's probably best not to listen to me: I posted a link from Rivals above and may be facing
banishment myself.

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Old Blues may not appreciate the dunk but have to be impressed with that sprint back on D!

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Old Blues, and even some younger ones, can also tell us that prior to less than 10 years ago, that play would have been called a charge, a turnover, and the basket disallowed. I did like the hustle back.

an incoming player with a poster dunk, and...

'dunks so overrated'

'we have no one on the team that can finish like that'

'that play would have been called a charge'

It's a freaking tweet

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When I see Bowser this is all that comes to mind:

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Ah, finally some real music. If they start piping '50s R&R into Haas, that could bring back some fans (not to mention give the Cal team a little rhythm)

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Currently we have no one on the team that can finish like that.

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Watch JHD's high school highlights. Or Jacobi Gordon or Kuany's highlights.

It can be hard to predict how players adjust to college hoops. There's so many variables involved.

Perhaps he's being overlooked by the scouting services, but Bowser isn't particularly highly rated at this time. Most of his offers were low to mid major. Doesn't mean he can't or won't be good for us, but no need to farcically diminish the roster we have. Hopefully, Fox's evaluation ability is sharp and he sees some untapped potential that he can unlock with Bowser and the other guys he's signed.

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Easy my man, just an observation that besides the occasional rare run out by JHD, there's not a lot of finishers on or roster at the basket.

Okay, my first post was a monster poster dunk. That's cool

But for all the critics out there, here is a more significant data point... write up from Bossi (from a tweet link to cal preps):

I wanted to get one more look at Cal's future wing

Monty Bowser and I'm glad I did. Not only is he a legitimate get for them, he's somebody that we have to seriously consider for the 2020 Rivals150. He's got very good size at 6-foot-6, is long, is developing as an athlete and has under-the-radar late-bloomer written all over him. At the very least I can see him turning into an upper echelon Pac 12 defender because of his length, instincts and ability to move his feet. Mark Fox and crew got a good one here.

Sounds good. One of my measures of good coaching is the ability to evaluate talent and potential. The lower the level the greater the importance, and we're not currently a particularly high level program.

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Okay, my first post was a monster poster dunk. That's cool

But for all the critics out there, here is a more significant data point... write up from Bossi (from a tweet link to cal preps):

I wanted to get one more look at Cal's future wing

Monty Bowser and I'm glad I did. Not only is he a legitimate get for them, he's somebody that we have to seriously consider for the 2020 Rivals150. He's got very good size at 6-foot-6, is long, is developing as an athlete and has under-the-radar late-bloomer written all over him. At the very least I can see him turning into an upper echelon Pac 12 defender because of his length, instincts and ability to move his feet. Mark Fox and crew got a good one here.

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Booth

I hope so because this roster is in SERIOUS need of upgrading over the next 2 years. At this point we have ONe, perhaps 2 scorers. The transfers really killed the program. We are building from the lowest of ground floors.

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I hope so because this roster is in SERIOUS need of upgrading over the next 2 years. At this point we have ONe, perhaps 2 scorers. The transfers really killed the program. We are building from the lowest of ground floors.

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Other than leaving a lot of open roster spots, I don't see that we lost a lot of talent. Most of what we lost were either projects like Vanover, or players who might have have reached their potential (Sueing), kept from playing due to injuries (Baker), or were hard to coach ( Coleman), or was a malcontent (Moore). None of them was an Ivan Rabb or a Jason Kidd, the five stars that I think you like. Vanover is the only one I miss, and he had real limitations to overcome.

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I hope so because this roster is in SERIOUS need of upgrading over the next 2 years. At this point we have ONe, perhaps 2 scorers. The transfers really killed the program. We are building from the lowest of ground floors.

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Other than leaving a lot of open roster spots, I don't see that we lost a lot of talent. Most of what we lost were either projects like Vanover, or players who might have have reached their potential (Sueing), kept from playing due to injuries (Baker), or were hard to coach ( Coleman), or was a malcontent (Moore). None of them was an Ivan Rabb or a Jason Kidd, the five stars that I think you like. Vanover is the only one I miss, and he had real limitations to overcome.

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I think Vanover was better than Lars and I think that Sueing would have benefitted from Fox's coaching.

The problem is that the Frosh are not cracking THIS lineup. That is seriously concerning. Because if you can't get minutes on a team that is going to be challenged to get 10 wins.......what does it tell you about their talent.

And it is going to get worse before it gets better. I do expect some serious blow outs when we start playing Pac12 schools with talent. Afraid the game at Furd will be the first.

Naw, the furd will be going down for the trifecta.

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The problem is that the Frosh are not cracking THIS lineup. That is seriously concerning. Because if you can't get minutes on a team that is going to be challenged to get 10 wins.......what does it tell you about their talent.

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The current stats show Brown and Thiemann have played in all 11 games averaging 18.2 and 16.5 minutes for 6th and 7th place on the team. The other three have played very little.

The issue could be talent but might also be lack of development, injury, problems picking up the system, or something else. I'll have a better idea next season. I'll also want to see the fall 2021 class before forming opinions about Fox's recruiting.

FWIW our women have 4 freshies who are averaging 30, 20, 19, and 18 minutes. We recently won a close game with all 4 on the floor at the end. And they have signed 3 five-star bigs and 1 international guard for 2020. I'd say that shows clearly better recruiting than our men, but our new women's coach has the advantages of being with our program for many years and retaining all of the previous assistants.

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The problem is that the Frosh are not cracking THIS lineup. That is seriously concerning. Because if you can't get minutes on a team that is going to be challenged to get 10 wins.......what does it tell you about their talent.

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The current stats show Brown and Thiemann have played in all 11 games averaging 18.2 and 16.5 minutes for 6th and 7th place on the team. The other three have played very little.

The issue could be talent but might also be lack of development, injury, problems picking up the system, or something else. I'll have a better idea next season. I'll also want to see the fall 2021 class before forming opinions about Fox's recruiting.

FWIW our women have 4 freshies who are averaging 30, 20, 19, and 18 minutes. We recently won a close game with all 4 on the floor at the end. And they have signed 3 five-star bigs and 1 international guard for 2020. I'd say that shows clearly better recruiting than our men, but our new women's coach has the advantages of being with our program for many years and retaining all of the previous assistants.

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Generally speaking, girls mature faster than boys, so this is understandable. In men's basketball, few freshmen recruits are ready to start and contribute at a high level in their first year, and those are mostly the 5- star one-and-done types. A number of freshman recruits have not even stopped growing, especially the bigs. I plan on waiting for a year or two before we see what our current freshmen can do, especially the bigs who are slower to develop, and that means Lars, DJ, and Kuany.

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I hope so because this roster is in SERIOUS need of upgrading over the next 2 years. At this point we have ONe, perhaps 2 scorers. The transfers really killed the program. We are building from the lowest of ground floors.

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Other than leaving a lot of open roster spots, I don't see that we lost a lot of talent. Most of what we lost were either projects like Vanover, or players who might have have reached their potential (Sueing), kept from playing due to injuries (Baker), or were hard to coach ( Coleman), or was a malcontent (Moore). None of them was an Ivan Rabb or a Jason Kidd, the five stars that I think you like. Vanover is the only one I miss, and he had real limitations to overcome.

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I think Vanover was better than Lars and I think that Sueing would have benefitted from Fox's coaching.

The problem is that the Frosh are not cracking THIS lineup. That is seriously concerning. Because if you can't get minutes on a team that is going to be challenged to get 10 wins.......what does it tell you about their talent.

And it is going to get worse before it gets better. I do expect some serious blow outs when we start playing Pac12 schools with talent. Afraid the game at Furd will be the first.

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I think you may be remembering the end-of-season Vanover, and Lars has played less than half a season. To be fair, we should compare the pre-conference season Vanover with the pre-conference season Lars. Vanover was a better shot than Lars is right now, but that is the only part of his game that is better, IMO, and that is mostly due to his perimeter shooting. If that is most of his offense, and he hangs around the perimeter most of the time that will limit his rebounding. Vanover could not keep himself on the floor in the preseason, as teams scored off him any time they wanted, as if he wasn't even there. This is not the case with Lars, and his defense has shown steady improvement, even if he has a ways to go. Vanover could not make it through the preseason without injury, and missed 3 games. Lars already has the body, and Vanover needs to build his, make it heavier and stronger. Lars has far less work to do on developing his body, and can concentrate more on basketball skill development. I would still liked to have kept Vanover, to see what he could develop into.

Sueing had no right hand. He could not drive right, dribble right, shoot right, or pass with his right. That is a little exaggeration, I know, and a testament to his skills with his left that he could play pretty well with just one hand. He also could not shoot from outside, and needed an entire rebuild of his shooting stroke, IMO. Too much to do and only two years left to do it. Could he have helped the team this year? Of course. We are weak at the wing and PF positions. Sueing could rebound well for a SF, and his defense, though not great, was almost adequate. I feel he may have left because he liked to freewheel it on offense, and Fox is installing structure and discipline, or so it looks.

Have some patience with the frosh. They could develop into a nice group.

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Generally speaking, girls mature faster than boys, so this is understandable. In men's basketball, few freshmen recruits are ready to start and contribute at a high level in their first year, and those are mostly the 5- star one-and-done types. A number of freshman recruits have not even stopped growing, especially the bigs. I plan on waiting for a year or two before we see what our current freshmen can do, especially the bigs who are slower to develop, and that means Lars, DJ, and Kuany.

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Good point, I hadn't thought of that. Most years our women start at least one freshie and I remember as many as four.