The Czech Republic mask wearing rate is much higher than Sweden and yet the death rate is also much higher.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
Do masks really work?
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The Czech Republic mask wearing rate is much higher than Sweden and yet the death rate is also much higher.
Japan has been wearing masks for a long time, way before the covid pandemic. Their mask wearing rate has been consistent the entire year but it didn't seem to impact the death rate.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
Are we still supposed to believe Biden or Fauci? When is the CDC going to start requiring double masking or this just theater like Senator Rand Paul said?
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
BearForce2, after posting tweets promoting disinformation specialists Project Veritas and Andy Ngo, now is questioning if masks really work.
BearForce, et al: "whatever they are for, I'm against. And whatever they are against, I am for. I seek to gum up logic and rationality. I am for chaos, confusion, and decentralization."
I think the recent horrible surge in California--while mask compliance was almost universal--has caused many to newly question how effective masks are against Covid. Even more skepticism was created when they started talking about wearing 2 masks (or more). If masks are effective, they clearly are not as effective as had been hoped.
I think what masks do quite effectively is signal to those around you that you take Covid seriously and are likely taking additional steps to keep yourself and others safe. That might be their most useful purpose.
You know who thinks masks are useless? College basketball coaches. They literally pull down the mask every single time they talk or scream, then put it right back on. Now that's theatre. Why all of them aren't getting suspended or even called out on this blatant disregard for the protocols is telling.
I think what masks do quite effectively is signal to those around you that you take Covid seriously and are likely taking additional steps to keep yourself and others safe. That might be their most useful purpose.
You know who thinks masks are useless? College basketball coaches. They literally pull down the mask every single time they talk or scream, then put it right back on. Now that's theatre. Why all of them aren't getting suspended or even called out on this blatant disregard for the protocols is telling.
The truth lies somewhere between CNN and Fox.
How do you know this? Answer: you do not. I will give you credit, though, for not citing Phantom of the Opera as evidence of mask usage.LMK5 said:
I think the recent horrible surge in California--while mask compliance was almost universal--has caused many to newly question how effective masks are against Covid. Even more skepticism was created when they started talking about wearing 2 masks (or more). If masks are effective, they clearly are not as effective as had been hoped.
I think what masks do quite effectively is signal to those around you that you take Covid seriously and are likely taking additional steps to keep yourself and others safe. That might be their most useful purpose.
You know who thinks masks are useless? College basketball coaches. They literally pull down the mask every single time they talk or scream, then put it right back on. Now that's theatre. Why all of them aren't getting suspended or even called out on this blatant disregard for the protocols is telling.
LMK5 said:
I think the recent horrible surge in California--while mask compliance was almost universal--has caused many to newly question how effective masks are against Covid. Even more skepticism was created when they started talking about wearing 2 masks (or more). If masks are effective, they clearly are not as effective as had been hoped.
I think what masks do quite effectively is signal to those around you that you take Covid seriously and are likely taking additional steps to keep yourself and others safe. That might be their most useful purpose.
You know who thinks masks are useless? College basketball coaches. They literally pull down the mask every single time they talk or scream, then put it right back on. Now that's theatre. Why all of them aren't getting suspended or even called out on this blatant disregard for the protocols is telling.
California's mask compliance has not been near universal. In fact, compliance varies greatly by region, and in some areas like the central valley and LA, they have had a terrible compliance rate. It's no wonder that were the hotbeds of the virus in California.
If you want proof that all the protocols put in place to try to limit and contain the highly infectious coronavirus, look at the flu numbers for this year. They have been minimal.
LMK5 said:
I think the recent horrible surge in California--while mask compliance was almost universal--has caused many to newly question how effective masks are against Covid. Even more skepticism was created when they started talking about wearing 2 masks (or more). If masks are effective, they clearly are not as effective as had been hoped.
I think what masks do quite effectively is signal to those around you that you take Covid seriously and are likely taking additional steps to keep yourself and others safe. That might be their most useful purpose.
You know who thinks masks are useless? College basketball coaches. They literally pull down the mask every single time they talk or scream, then put it right back on. Now that's theatre. Why all of them aren't getting suspended or even called out on this blatant disregard for the protocols is telling.
Masks have been shown to be effective over and over again in studies comparing like circumstances. Every bit of evidence from the other side comes from non scientific sources that either do idiotic things like comparing two totally different countries like Czech Republic and Sweden, or they look at the same location over time and ask why the numbers fluctuate over time when we are always wearing masks. The latter is particularly frustrating. If mask wearing has been roughly constant, other factors are going to change the rates of infection. Why do Flu rates go up in Flu season? In fact, no one gets flu vaccines outside of flu season. Every year we have a big push for people to get flu vaccines and every year flu rates skyrocket immediately after. Obviously flu vaccines are causing the flu.
Every scientific expert warned of a good chance that Covid would be seasonal and we might see a significant surge in the fall and winter and that is what we saw. No one ever said masks stop the spread. They said they slow the rate. Masks are not going to eliminate all cases. The point was to keep it as low as possible.
Posting a curve that makes Japan look all scary is case in point. The US has 24 times the deaths per capita as Japan. Japan's rates went from close to nothing to seasonally a little bit. But if my country has 2 cases and a month later has 10, I can draw a really scary looking curve. Let's chart Japan's deaths per capita on a graph with the US, and Japan's line is barely going to get off the x axis.
If masks were 99% effective against COVID, the shape of the curve would still be the same. The question is whether that curve baseline sits around 1, 10, 100, 1000, or 10,000 per day.
golden sloth said:LMK5 said:
I think the recent horrible surge in California--while mask compliance was almost universal--has caused many to newly question how effective masks are against Covid. Even more skepticism was created when they started talking about wearing 2 masks (or more). If masks are effective, they clearly are not as effective as had been hoped.
I think what masks do quite effectively is signal to those around you that you take Covid seriously and are likely taking additional steps to keep yourself and others safe. That might be their most useful purpose.
You know who thinks masks are useless? College basketball coaches. They literally pull down the mask every single time they talk or scream, then put it right back on. Now that's theatre. Why all of them aren't getting suspended or even called out on this blatant disregard for the protocols is telling.
California's mask compliance has not been near universal. In fact, compliance varies greatly by region, and in some areas like the central valley and LA, they have had a terrible compliance rate. It's no wonder that were the hotbeds of the virus in California.
If you want proof that all the protocols put in place to try to limit and contain the highly infectious coronavirus, look at the flu numbers for this year. They have been minimal.
Beyond that, masks were often the only thing people complied with. So let's say people wear masks at a consistent rate and then ignore the begging from health officials not to have holiday gatherings or rates will go up, and rates quadruple after the holidays and the response is then to question the masks. I find it absolutely hilarious that people who argued incessantly that these methods weren't necessary now argue that when health officials predictions came true it was because the one thing they did do didn't work. It is like telling a soldier that to protect himself he needs to wear a helmet and a bullet proof vest, and he refuses to wear the vest, gets shot in the chest and comes back yelling the helmet doesn't work.
To be fair, he opened his post with "I think". This forum is free and open to explore thoughts and perceptions.B.A. Bearacus said:How do you know this? Answer: you do not. I will give you credit, though, for not citing Phantom of the Opera as evidence of mask usage.LMK5 said:
I think the recent horrible surge in California--while mask compliance was almost universal--has caused many to newly question how effective masks are against Covid. Even more skepticism was created when they started talking about wearing 2 masks (or more). If masks are effective, they clearly are not as effective as had been hoped.
I think what masks do quite effectively is signal to those around you that you take Covid seriously and are likely taking additional steps to keep yourself and others safe. That might be their most useful purpose.
You know who thinks masks are useless? College basketball coaches. They literally pull down the mask every single time they talk or scream, then put it right back on. Now that's theatre. Why all of them aren't getting suspended or even called out on this blatant disregard for the protocols is telling.
One need not be an expert to post.
The problem is when people post outright lies as if they were fact. Or when their thoughts and perceptions are racist or otherwise insulting to others.
Like, for instance, when I say that anyone who voted for Trump is an absolute idiot, that's problematic.
Doesn't make it wrong, per se, but it's a problem for this forum.
I live in the central valley and, yes, many mask less people walking around. Though, compliance has been much better the last few of months.golden sloth said:LMK5 said:
I think the recent horrible surge in California--while mask compliance was almost universal--has caused many to newly question how effective masks are against Covid. Even more skepticism was created when they started talking about wearing 2 masks (or more). If masks are effective, they clearly are not as effective as had been hoped.
I think what masks do quite effectively is signal to those around you that you take Covid seriously and are likely taking additional steps to keep yourself and others safe. That might be their most useful purpose.
You know who thinks masks are useless? College basketball coaches. They literally pull down the mask every single time they talk or scream, then put it right back on. Now that's theatre. Why all of them aren't getting suspended or even called out on this blatant disregard for the protocols is telling.
California's mask compliance has not been near universal. In fact, compliance varies greatly by region, and in some areas like the central valley and LA, they have had a terrible compliance rate. It's no wonder that were the hotbeds of the virus in California.
If you want proof that all the protocols put in place to try to limit and contain the highly infectious coronavirus, look at the flu numbers for this year. They have been minimal.
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concordtom said:
BearForce, et al: "whatever they are for, I'm against. And whatever they are against, I am for. I seek to gum up logic and rationality. I am for chaos, confusion, and decentralization."
Every one of these people should demand that their surgeons don't wear masks.
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Yes, Mask F&#$ing Work! To not wear a mask is to roll the dice. Just lost 2 people I grew up with who were pulled off respirators by their families. What an F@$#ing waste.
I live in OC and frequent the LA area. Mask compliance is very, very high as far as I can see. But you bring up a great point about the flu numbers. In fact, at my wife's annual physical in February, her doctor told her that he has not seen a single case of the flu come through his office this season. From this, one can make a reasonable claim that:golden sloth said:LMK5 said:
I think the recent horrible surge in California--while mask compliance was almost universal--has caused many to newly question how effective masks are against Covid. Even more skepticism was created when they started talking about wearing 2 masks (or more). If masks are effective, they clearly are not as effective as had been hoped.
I think what masks do quite effectively is signal to those around you that you take Covid seriously and are likely taking additional steps to keep yourself and others safe. That might be their most useful purpose.
You know who thinks masks are useless? College basketball coaches. They literally pull down the mask every single time they talk or scream, then put it right back on. Now that's theatre. Why all of them aren't getting suspended or even called out on this blatant disregard for the protocols is telling.
California's mask compliance has not been near universal. In fact, compliance varies greatly by region, and in some areas like the central valley and LA, they have had a terrible compliance rate. It's no wonder that were the hotbeds of the virus in California.
If you want proof that all the protocols put in place to try to limit and contain the highly infectious coronavirus, look at the flu numbers for this year. They have been minimal.
1) Masks are very effective against the flu.
2) Masks are not nearly as effective against Covid-19.
The truth lies somewhere between CNN and Fox.
To sum: The team of BF2 and LMK5 have seen enough evidence to say that Americans should no longer be slightly inconvenienced by having the wear masks and that wearing masks is largely pointless with regard to Covid transmission.
If they believe this now, in March 2021, there really is absolutely nothing that can change their minds on this.
If they believe this now, in March 2021, there really is absolutely nothing that can change their minds on this.
I think that's well stated. I am sitting in an office cubicle right now. I do have my mask on, but I'm not required to. I do not wear it outside, unless I'm, let's say, walking from a parking lot into a store. The vast majority of people around OC do wear masks outside and some of the really paranoid wear them while driving--alone. Those people I do feel sorry for.Yogi Latex Molds said:Thing is, nobody wears a mask 100% of the time. Nobody.LMK5 said:
I think the recent horrible surge in California--while mask compliance was almost universal--has caused many to newly question how effective masks are against Covid. Even more skepticism was created when they started talking about wearing 2 masks (or more). If masks are effective, they clearly are not as effective as had been hoped.
I think what masks do quite effectively is signal to those around you that you take Covid seriously and are likely taking additional steps to keep yourself and others safe. That might be their most useful purpose.
You know who thinks masks are useless? College basketball coaches. They literally pull down the mask every single time they talk or scream, then put it right back on. Now that's theatre. Why all of them aren't getting suspended or even called out on this blatant disregard for the protocols is telling.
For all of you at home right now, are you wearing your mask? I bet almost none of you are. But a lot of people who have caught this caught it from a family member.
When I'm at the dog park, there is a mix of people there wearing masks and not wearing masks. I myself pull my mask down when no one is near because I get tired of my glasses fogging up and I like breathing cool air. But I don't fret about the people not wearing masks because we're outside.
Our knowledge of the virus has increased, but it's still imperfect. What seems clear at this point is that the hysteria about having sterilized pens and wiping down surfaces every 5 seconds really was mostly pointless. Wiping down surfaces on occasion makes sense for killing other types of germs, but this virus appears to be mostly airborne. Restricting outdoor activities, other than ones that caused people to be in very tight groups was dumb because the best ventilated spaces are outside, not inside. I'm sure 6 months from now, we'll know things about the virus that we don't know now.
The other thing is this. The masks we're wearing are imperfect. When surgeons go into surgery, they're not wearing the kinds of masks most of us are wearing. I'm pretty sure our masks do help (especially in keeping those who are asymptomatic and don't know it from spreading the disease), but they are not a perfect shield.
The solution is to vaccinate the population.
I can comfortable say that masks, even if they provide a modicum of protection to yourself or others, should be worn whenever you're close to people, whether indoors or out. I can also say that they don't seem to be nearly as effective against Covid-19 as we'd hoped. They do seem more effective against the flu for who knows what reason.
Another possible reason for low flu numbers is that Covid-19 viruses eat influenza viruses for breakfast LOL.
The truth lies somewhere between CNN and Fox.
Assuming these solo drivers you're seeing are not Uber drivers, maybe they have a short drive and would prefer not to bother fiddling with their masks. You can't make a blanket assessment of paranoia being the reason they have masks on while driving.LMK5 said:
The vast majority of people around OC do wear masks outside and some of the really paranoid wear them while driving--alone. Those people I do feel sorry for.
I'm trying to be a little humorous B.A., which admittedly doesn't work too well on this board. Something in the water up there in NorCal?B.A. Bearacus said:Assuming these solo drivers you're seeing are not Uber drivers, maybe they have a short drive and would prefer not to bother fiddling with their masks. You can't make a blanket assessment of paranoia being the reason they have masks on while driving.LMK5 said:
The vast majority of people around OC do wear masks outside and some of the really paranoid wear them while driving--alone. Those people I do feel sorry for.
Here I'll take another shot at Covid humor: I had an interview a couple of weeks ago. So I step into the manager's office and sit down in the chair at the opposite end of his desk. He then asks me to back my chair up to the point where I'm literally against the wall, about 10-12 feet away. So we go through the interview and about 20 minutes later he asks me to come up to the desk to analyze a document. As I'm poring over the document he says to me, "by the way I'm completely immunized." I asked him to elaborate. He then said he received his second Pfizer injection last week. Go figure.
The truth lies somewhere between CNN and Fox.
LMK5 whined:
"I'm trying to be a little humorous B.A., which admittedly doesn't work too well on this board. Something in the water up there in NorCal?"
No - you're just not funny.
"I'm trying to be a little humorous B.A., which admittedly doesn't work too well on this board. Something in the water up there in NorCal?"
No - you're just not funny.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
I'm sorry for your loss.BearNIt said:
Yes, Mask F&#$ing Work! To not wear a mask is to roll the dice. Just lost 2 people I grew up with who were pulled off respirators by their families. What an F@$#ing waste.
Thx for sharing - the more people do, the more it becomes real.
LMK5 said:
I think the recent horrible surge in California--while mask compliance was almost universal--has caused many to newly question how effective masks are against Covid. Even more skepticism was created when they started talking about wearing 2 masks (or more). If masks are effective, they clearly are not as effective as had been hoped.
I think what masks do quite effectively is signal to those around you that you take Covid seriously and are likely taking additional steps to keep yourself and others safe. That might be their most useful purpose.
You know who thinks masks are useless? College basketball coaches. They literally pull down the mask every single time they talk or scream, then put it right back on. Now that's theatre. Why all of them aren't getting suspended or even called out on this blatant disregard for the protocols is telling.
Where the masks tended to come off was in holiday gatherings with friends and extended family and this is where a lot of the cases were transmitted between Thanksgiving and New Years.
Well hopefully with accelerating vaccinations we can get ahead of the curve. It looks like the data is plateauing a bit in California so we may be at an inflection point.Big C said:LMK5 said:
I think the recent horrible surge in California--while mask compliance was almost universal--has caused many to newly question how effective masks are against Covid. Even more skepticism was created when they started talking about wearing 2 masks (or more). If masks are effective, they clearly are not as effective as had been hoped.
I think what masks do quite effectively is signal to those around you that you take Covid seriously and are likely taking additional steps to keep yourself and others safe. That might be their most useful purpose.
You know who thinks masks are useless? College basketball coaches. They literally pull down the mask every single time they talk or scream, then put it right back on. Now that's theatre. Why all of them aren't getting suspended or even called out on this blatant disregard for the protocols is telling.
Where the masks tended to come off was in holiday gatherings with friends and extended family and this is where a lot of the cases were transmitted between Thanksgiving and New Years.
The truth lies somewhere between CNN and Fox.
Cases are down 29% since mask mandate ended two weeks ago in Texas.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
What is more, we didn't have any mask mandate in 2019 and zero people died if Covid. masks are a hoaxBearForce2 said:
Cases are down 29% since mask mandate ended two weeks ago in Texas.
OaktownBear said:What is more, we didn't have any mask mandate in 2019 and zero people died if Covid. masks are a hoaxBearForce2 said:
Cases are down 29% since mask mandate ended two weeks ago in Texas.
Single masking is a hoax. Two masks are better than one, with or without the vaccine.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
Here is the problem...you only provide weak antidotal evidence and you claim it is fact. Why don't you join Cal88 and form a Cal anti-science club and post your crap on your board.LMK5 said:I live in OC and frequent the LA area. Mask compliance is very, very high as far as I can see. But you bring up a great point about the flu numbers. In fact, at my wife's annual physical in February, her doctor told her that he has not seen a single case of the flu come through his office this season. From this, one can make a reasonable claim that:golden sloth said:LMK5 said:
I think the recent horrible surge in California--while mask compliance was almost universal--has caused many to newly question how effective masks are against Covid. Even more skepticism was created when they started talking about wearing 2 masks (or more). If masks are effective, they clearly are not as effective as had been hoped.
I think what masks do quite effectively is signal to those around you that you take Covid seriously and are likely taking additional steps to keep yourself and others safe. That might be their most useful purpose.
You know who thinks masks are useless? College basketball coaches. They literally pull down the mask every single time they talk or scream, then put it right back on. Now that's theatre. Why all of them aren't getting suspended or even called out on this blatant disregard for the protocols is telling.
California's mask compliance has not been near universal. In fact, compliance varies greatly by region, and in some areas like the central valley and LA, they have had a terrible compliance rate. It's no wonder that were the hotbeds of the virus in California.
If you want proof that all the protocols put in place to try to limit and contain the highly infectious coronavirus, look at the flu numbers for this year. They have been minimal.
1) Masks are very effective against the flu.
2) Masks are not nearly as effective against Covid-19.
BearForce2 said:
Cases are down 29% since mask mandate ended two weeks ago in Texas.
And, as every good little RWNJ knows: correlation equals causation.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
BearForce2 said:OaktownBear said:What is more, we didn't have any mask mandate in 2019 and zero people died if Covid. masks are a hoaxBearForce2 said:
Cases are down 29% since mask mandate ended two weeks ago in Texas.
Single masking is a hoax. Two masks are better than one, with or without the vaccine.
Blue state marketing opportunity: One mask that looks like two (or three!).
Most people I know wear masks, are you saying they didn't?BearNIt said:
Yes, Mask F&#$ing Work! To not wear a mask is to roll the dice. Just lost 2 people I grew up with who were pulled off respirators by their families. What an F@$#ing waste.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
I'm saying wear a freakin mask. To not wear one is just plain dumb and irresponsible.BearForce2 said:Most people I know wear masks, are you saying they didn't?BearNIt said:
Yes, Mask F&#$ing Work! To not wear a mask is to roll the dice. Just lost 2 people I grew up with who were pulled off respirators by their families. What an F@$#ing waste.
What do you mean by "antidotal"? I assume you mean "anecdotal." You're welcome, "professor."calpoly said:Here is the problem...you only provide weak antidotal evidence and you claim it is fact. Why don't you join Cal88 and form a Cal anti-science club and post your crap on your board.LMK5 said:I live in OC and frequent the LA area. Mask compliance is very, very high as far as I can see. But you bring up a great point about the flu numbers. In fact, at my wife's annual physical in February, her doctor told her that he has not seen a single case of the flu come through his office this season. From this, one can make a reasonable claim that:golden sloth said:LMK5 said:
I think the recent horrible surge in California--while mask compliance was almost universal--has caused many to newly question how effective masks are against Covid. Even more skepticism was created when they started talking about wearing 2 masks (or more). If masks are effective, they clearly are not as effective as had been hoped.
I think what masks do quite effectively is signal to those around you that you take Covid seriously and are likely taking additional steps to keep yourself and others safe. That might be their most useful purpose.
You know who thinks masks are useless? College basketball coaches. They literally pull down the mask every single time they talk or scream, then put it right back on. Now that's theatre. Why all of them aren't getting suspended or even called out on this blatant disregard for the protocols is telling.
California's mask compliance has not been near universal. In fact, compliance varies greatly by region, and in some areas like the central valley and LA, they have had a terrible compliance rate. It's no wonder that were the hotbeds of the virus in California.
If you want proof that all the protocols put in place to try to limit and contain the highly infectious coronavirus, look at the flu numbers for this year. They have been minimal.
1) Masks are very effective against the flu.
2) Masks are not nearly as effective against Covid-19.
The truth lies somewhere between CNN and Fox.
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