3400 Kaiser Permanente Nurses vote to go on strike

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MinotStateBeav
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https://www.kptv.com/news/kaiser-permanente-health-care-workers-vote-to-approve-strike/article_f1416bca-2aa6-11ec-97e2-fbc04663f50e.html?block_id=994431

"Come on man!"
Anarchistbear
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Looks like labor issues not vaccine issues.
MinotStateBeav
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Anarchistbear said:

Looks like labor issues not vaccine issues.
hard to tell, remember just yesterday SWA was blaming the weather.
helltopay1
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The constitution is quite clear. No one can be forced to take any medicine ( including an aspirin) against his/her will. No exceptions are allowed. Persuasion????Fine...Required???Not in our country..
Big C
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I think they anticipated this years ago, when they made the film "Rampaging Nurses".
helltopay1
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No...The film is actually called, "Rampaging Lefties." ( Way ahead of its time. )
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Canadian nurses are available.
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MinotStateBeav said:

https://www.kptv.com/news/kaiser-permanente-health-care-workers-vote-to-approve-strike/article_f1416bca-2aa6-11ec-97e2-fbc04663f50e.html?block_id=994431

"Come on man!"
It's about safety and staffing. It's about having too many patients and not enough doctors and nurses which affects the quality of care provided. As I have said before the pandemic doesn't help as you would be hard-pressed to find someone working in medicine who isn't exhausted and stressed at all levels of employment after the last two years. The amount of human suffering and death that has been seen over the last couple of years takes its toll on those tasked with providing treatment. It doesn't help when Kaiser was estimated to have made $6 million a day during the pandemic and is holding cash reserves of $44 Billion as a nonprofit which would place them 34TH on the Forbes Fortune 500 list if they weren't classified as a nonprofit.
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BearForce2 said:



Canadian nurses are available.
Funny that you think you can plug nurses from another country into the U.S. healthcare system. First, there are licensing and vaccination requirements that would have to be resolved and I'm not talking about COVID vaccinations. Both licenses and vaccines would have to be verified. Did the nurses from another country take the same classes as US nurses? What are the visa issues that need to be resolved? How are you going to test the knowledge of the Canadian nurses who apply? Are they going to need to take a licensing exam to confirm their medical knowledge of U.S. medicine? It is difficult for a US citizen to work in Canada and requires time and a lot of paperwork before you can get approval. That's just a few of the administrative issues that need to be resolved before Canadian nurses could even step through the door. Then you would have workplace dynamics to contend with. Canadian nurses taking jobs from U.S. nurses. I can tell you that from observing nurses, they are protective of each other and interlopers will not be tolerated. The Canadian nurses will be shunned and told "you should know how to do that you have a license and it's not my job to teach you." If a Canadian nurse made a mistake and a patient was injured or died you can't imagine the shyte storm that would be created and pressed by the unions. The cost associated with bringing in foreign nurses is prohibitive when housing, agency fees, and salaries are factored in. All of the above will have to be resolved to bring in foreign nurses for 2 to 4 weeks before the strike is resolved. Why would Canada who is having its own nursing shortage give the okay for Canadian nurses to come to the U.S. instead of using their vaccine mandate, possible unemployment, money, and time to force their nurses to get vaccines to resolve their nursing shortage
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BearNIt said:

BearForce2 said:



Canadian nurses are available.
Funny that you think you can plug nurses from another country into the U.S. healthcare system. First, there are licensing and vaccination requirements that would have to be resolved and I'm not talking about COVID vaccinations. Both licenses and vaccines would have to be verified. Did the nurses from another country take the same classes as US nurses? What are the visa issues that need to be resolved? How are you going to test the knowledge of the Canadian nurses who apply? Are they going to need to take a licensing exam to confirm their medical knowledge of U.S. medicine? It is difficult for a US citizen to work in Canada and requires time and a lot of paperwork before you can get approval. That's just a few of the administrative issues that need to be resolved before Canadian nurses could even step through the door. Then you would have workplace dynamics to contend with. Canadian nurses taking jobs from U.S. nurses. I can tell you that from observing nurses, they are protective of each other and interlopers will not be tolerated. The Canadian nurses will be shunned and told "you should know how to do that you have a license and it's not my job to teach you." If a Canadian nurse made a mistake and a patient was injured or died you can't imagine the shyte storm that would be created and pressed by the unions. The cost associated with bringing in foreign nurses is prohibitive when housing, agency fees, and salaries are factored in. All of the above will have to be resolved to bring in foreign nurses for 2 to 4 weeks before the strike is resolved. Why would Canada who is having its own nursing shortage give the okay for Canadian nurses to come to the U.S. instead of using their vaccine mandate, possible unemployment, money, and time to force their nurses to get vaccines to resolve their nursing shortage


He forgot the sarcasm tag.
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MinotStateBeav said:

Anarchistbear said:

Looks like labor issues not vaccine issues.
hard to tell, remember just yesterday SWA was blaming the weather.

Who do you believe?

SWA or Tucker Carlson and Lyin' Ted Cruz?

No need to answer that because I already know the answer.

helltopay1
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Dear Dim...Here's some info for you.....
Alan Dershowitz said that Ted cruz was the brightest law student in his Constitutional Law class.

Naturally, you knew that, right????look it up..
dimitrig
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helltopay1 said:

Dear Dim...Here's some info for you.....
Alan Dershowitz said that Ted cruz was the brightest law student in his Constitutional Law class.

Naturally, you knew that, right????look it up..


I never said he was stupid.

He's just a lying *****.
dajo9
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Republicans:. We are the party of the working class

Also Republicans:. We only support labor action if it is in support of Trumpian lies
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dimitrig said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Anarchistbear said:

Looks like labor issues not vaccine issues.
hard to tell, remember just yesterday SWA was blaming the weather.

Who do you believe?

SWA or Tucker Carlson and Lyin' Ted Cruz?

No need to answer that because I already know the answer.




Who do you believe on Southwest, Jan Psaki?
NVBear78
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dajo9 said:

Republicans:. We are the party of the working class

Also Republicans:. We only support labor action if it is in support of Trumpian lies



Democrats, we are the party of rich Coastal elites.

Everything we do is good for us but screws the working class. Sorry for those gas prices, housing prices, food prices, etc etc etc.
they don't bother us rich liberals. And sorry they're closing the Walgreens you need for your neighborhood due to absolutely insane de-criminalization of theft by libtards in big cities.

Remember everything is Trumps fault, now let Nancy go maskless and eat her ice cream while you wear your mask and serve her.



p.s. not. Republican

dajo9
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NVBear78 said:

dajo9 said:

Republicans:. We are the party of the working class

Also Republicans:. We only support labor action if it is in support of Trumpian lies



Democrats, we are the party of rich Coastal elites.

Everything we do is good for us but screws the working class. Sorry for those gas prices, housing prices, food prices, etc etc etc.
they don't bother us rich liberals. And sorry they're closing the Walgreens you need for your neighborhood due to absolutely insane de-criminalization of theft by libtards in big cities.

Remember everything is Trumps fault, now let Nancy go maskless and eat her ice cream while you wear your mask and serve her.



p.s. not. Republican




Yes, Democratic states are more productive and wealthy. That is a good thing.

Price swings on the economy began under Trump. The first swing under Trump's Covid mismanagement was economic collapse. The current swing under Biden is an uneven rebound.

You are just ignoring everything before Biden because Trump's economy was indefensible.
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NVBear78
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dajo9 said:

NVBear78 said:

dajo9 said:

Republicans:. We are the party of the working class

Also Republicans:. We only support labor action if it is in support of Trumpian lies



Democrats, we are the party of rich Coastal elites.

Everything we do is good for us but screws the working class. Sorry for those gas prices, housing prices, food prices, etc etc etc.
they don't bother us rich liberals. And sorry they're closing the Walgreens you need for your neighborhood due to absolutely insane de-criminalization of theft by libtards in big cities.

Remember everything is Trumps fault, now let Nancy go maskless and eat her ice cream while you wear your mask and serve her.



p.s. not. Republican




Yes, Democratic states are more productive and wealthy. That is a good thing.

Price swings on the economy began under Trump. The first swing under Trump's Covid mismanagement was economic collapse. The current swing under Biden is an uneven rebound.

You are just ignoring everything before Biden because Trump's economy was indefensible.
wow, just wow

BTW here is another and tragically sad example of the byproduct of coastal elite liberal policies. When will you realize that the harm you do to those you claim to want to help:

Oakland homicides surpass 2020 totals, leaving victims' families in stunned grief East Bay Times

dajo9
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NVBear78 said:

dajo9 said:

NVBear78 said:

dajo9 said:

Republicans:. We are the party of the working class

Also Republicans:. We only support labor action if it is in support of Trumpian lies



Democrats, we are the party of rich Coastal elites.

Everything we do is good for us but screws the working class. Sorry for those gas prices, housing prices, food prices, etc etc etc.
they don't bother us rich liberals. And sorry they're closing the Walgreens you need for your neighborhood due to absolutely insane de-criminalization of theft by libtards in big cities.

Remember everything is Trumps fault, now let Nancy go maskless and eat her ice cream while you wear your mask and serve her.



p.s. not. Republican




Yes, Democratic states are more productive and wealthy. That is a good thing.

Price swings on the economy began under Trump. The first swing under Trump's Covid mismanagement was economic collapse. The current swing under Biden is an uneven rebound.

You are just ignoring everything before Biden because Trump's economy was indefensible.
wow, just wow

BTW here is another and tragically sad example of the byproduct of coastal elite liberal policies. When will you realize that the harm you do to those you claim to want to help:

Oakland homicides surpass 2020 totals, leaving victims' families in stunned grief East Bay Times




Red states tend to have a higher murder rate than blue states. Why is that?
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Unit2Sucks
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NVBear78 said:

dajo9 said:

NVBear78 said:

dajo9 said:

Republicans:. We are the party of the working class

Also Republicans:. We only support labor action if it is in support of Trumpian lies



Democrats, we are the party of rich Coastal elites.

Everything we do is good for us but screws the working class. Sorry for those gas prices, housing prices, food prices, etc etc etc.
they don't bother us rich liberals. And sorry they're closing the Walgreens you need for your neighborhood due to absolutely insane de-criminalization of theft by libtards in big cities.

Remember everything is Trumps fault, now let Nancy go maskless and eat her ice cream while you wear your mask and serve her.



p.s. not. Republican




Yes, Democratic states are more productive and wealthy. That is a good thing.

Price swings on the economy began under Trump. The first swing under Trump's Covid mismanagement was economic collapse. The current swing under Biden is an uneven rebound.

You are just ignoring everything before Biden because Trump's economy was indefensible.
wow, just wow

BTW here is another and tragically sad example of the byproduct of coastal elite liberal policies. When will you realize that the harm you do to those you claim to want to help:

Oakland homicides surpass 2020 totals, leaving victims' families in stunned grief East Bay Times




California has the lowest per capita death rate from COVID right now. Unvaccinated Californians are 15-20x as likely to die as unvaccinated. Liberal policies are focused on increasing the number of vaccinated while conservative policies are in stark opposition. Close to 100k unvaccinated Americans have chosen doing their own research and death over vaccination because they want to show the libs.

Stop pretending like you value life, it's never been a priority for the GOP and no one is buying it now. But please tell us about Chicago and avoid talking about Florida. That will boost your credibility on Gettr or wherever you people gather these days.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/These-charts-show-the-incredibly-stark-difference-16519941.php
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NVBear78 said:

dajo9 said:

Republicans:. We are the party of the working class

Also Republicans:. We only support labor action if it is in support of Trumpian lies



Democrats, we are the party of rich Coastal elites.

Everything we do is good for us but screws the working class. Sorry for those gas prices, housing prices, food prices, etc etc etc.
they don't bother us rich liberals. And sorry they're closing the Walgreens you need for your neighborhood due to absolutely insane de-criminalization of theft by libtards in big cities.

Remember everything is Trumps fault, now let Nancy go maskless and eat her ice cream while you wear your mask and serve her.



p.s. not. Republican


If you walk like a Republican, talk like a Republican, act like a Republican, praise Republicans, blame Democrats for everything and selectively point to Republican Talking Points repeatedly, you're a Republican, despite what you may think.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

NVBear78 said:

dajo9 said:

Republicans:. We are the party of the working class

Also Republicans:. We only support labor action if it is in support of Trumpian lies



Democrats, we are the party of rich Coastal elites.

Everything we do is good for us but screws the working class. Sorry for those gas prices, housing prices, food prices, etc etc etc.
they don't bother us rich liberals. And sorry they're closing the Walgreens you need for your neighborhood due to absolutely insane de-criminalization of theft by libtards in big cities.

Remember everything is Trumps fault, now let Nancy go maskless and eat her ice cream while you wear your mask and serve her.



p.s. not. Republican


If you walk like a Republican, talk like a Republican, act like a Republican, praise Republicans, blame Democrats for everything and selectively point to Republican Talking Points repeatedly, you're a Republican, despite what you may think.
"I didn't leave the Democratic party; the Democratic party left me." - Ronald Reagan

The far left has corrupted the Democratic Party.
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BearForce2 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

NVBear78 said:

dajo9 said:

Republicans:. We are the party of the working class

Also Republicans:. We only support labor action if it is in support of Trumpian lies



Democrats, we are the party of rich Coastal elites.

Everything we do is good for us but screws the working class. Sorry for those gas prices, housing prices, food prices, etc etc etc.
they don't bother us rich liberals. And sorry they're closing the Walgreens you need for your neighborhood due to absolutely insane de-criminalization of theft by libtards in big cities.

Remember everything is Trumps fault, now let Nancy go maskless and eat her ice cream while you wear your mask and serve her.



p.s. not. Republican


If you walk like a Republican, talk like a Republican, act like a Republican, praise Republicans, blame Democrats for everything and selectively point to Republican Talking Points repeatedly, you're a Republican, despite what you may think.
"I didn't leave the Democratic party; the Democratic party left me." - Ronald Reagan

The far left has corrupted the Democratic Party.
Just as Trump and his followers have corrupted the Republican Party. All political parties evolve over time. I think the polling is clear about which party has evolved away from the American public and lost a significant amount of their political base.

Hint: It's the one filing fruitless election lawsuits, drafting dozens of election "reforms" to discourage the wrong people from voting and passing unpopular laws like the Texas abortion ban while they can still do so.
BearForce2
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearForce2 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

NVBear78 said:

dajo9 said:

Republicans:. We are the party of the working class

Also Republicans:. We only support labor action if it is in support of Trumpian lies



Democrats, we are the party of rich Coastal elites.

Everything we do is good for us but screws the working class. Sorry for those gas prices, housing prices, food prices, etc etc etc.
they don't bother us rich liberals. And sorry they're closing the Walgreens you need for your neighborhood due to absolutely insane de-criminalization of theft by libtards in big cities.

Remember everything is Trumps fault, now let Nancy go maskless and eat her ice cream while you wear your mask and serve her.



p.s. not. Republican


If you walk like a Republican, talk like a Republican, act like a Republican, praise Republicans, blame Democrats for everything and selectively point to Republican Talking Points repeatedly, you're a Republican, despite what you may think.
"I didn't leave the Democratic party; the Democratic party left me." - Ronald Reagan

The far left has corrupted the Democratic Party.
Just as Trump and his followers have corrupted the Republican Party. All political parties evolve over time. I think the polling is clear about which party has evolved away from the American public and lost a significant amount of their political base.

Hint: It's the one filing fruitless election lawsuits, drafting dozens of election "reforms" to discourage the wrong people from voting and passing unpopular laws like the Texas abortion ban while they can still do so.

Parties evolve yes, but "evolving away from the American public?" I'd like to see these polling numbers you speak of.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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BearForce2 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearForce2 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

NVBear78 said:

dajo9 said:

Republicans:. We are the party of the working class

Also Republicans:. We only support labor action if it is in support of Trumpian lies



Democrats, we are the party of rich Coastal elites.

Everything we do is good for us but screws the working class. Sorry for those gas prices, housing prices, food prices, etc etc etc.
they don't bother us rich liberals. And sorry they're closing the Walgreens you need for your neighborhood due to absolutely insane de-criminalization of theft by libtards in big cities.

Remember everything is Trumps fault, now let Nancy go maskless and eat her ice cream while you wear your mask and serve her.



p.s. not. Republican


If you walk like a Republican, talk like a Republican, act like a Republican, praise Republicans, blame Democrats for everything and selectively point to Republican Talking Points repeatedly, you're a Republican, despite what you may think.
"I didn't leave the Democratic party; the Democratic party left me." - Ronald Reagan

The far left has corrupted the Democratic Party.
Just as Trump and his followers have corrupted the Republican Party. All political parties evolve over time. I think the polling is clear about which party has evolved away from the American public and lost a significant amount of their political base.

Hint: It's the one filing fruitless election lawsuits, drafting dozens of election "reforms" to discourage the wrong people from voting and passing unpopular laws like the Texas abortion ban while they can still do so.

Parties evolve yes, but "evolving away from the American public?" I'd like to see these polling numbers you speak of.
From the Gallup Poll of Party Afilliations:

2011 Jun 9-12 Republicans/Republican leaners 47% Democrats/Democratic leaners 42%
2021 Jun 1-18 Republicans/Republican leaners 41% Democrats/Democratic leaners 50%

That snapshot is a bit cherry picked and the monthly numbers fluctuate a fair amount, but if you look at the numbers from the early 2000s, the GOP mostly had afilliation numbers in the mid 40s to lower 50s. Now they are usually in the upper 30s to lower 40s most of the time. That looks like moving away from the American public to me. I haven't even gotten into how old the Republican base skews and how few younger supporters they have.





Eastern Oregon Bear
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Thanks, Sather. I meant to include that link before I hit Post, but I forgot about it.
BearForce2
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Thanks, Sather. I meant to include that link before I hit Post, but I forgot about it.

You may want to note in that link provided by Sather Tower that there is no decline in the number of people who identify as Republicans as you previously stated and that most people identify as Independent.
BearForce2
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dajo9 said:


Red states tend to have a higher murder rate than blue states. Why is that?


The murder rate across states is comparable if you take out blue cities. Everyone talks about Chicago violence, no one talks about St. Louis or New Orleans, good grief.
dajo9
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BearForce2 said:

dajo9 said:


Red states tend to have a higher murder rate than blue states. Why is that?


The murder rate across states is comparable if you take out blue cities. Everyone talks about Chicago violence, no one talks about St. Louis or New Orleans, good grief.


But red states have higher murder rates than blue states. Why is that?
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