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Cal88
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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

dimitrig said:

It isn't as much pro-Putin as anti-American.

It is why I can agree with Cal88 on his Israel takes.

Is there any American foreign policy Cal88 supports?
For several of the anti-Ukraine, anti-Israel folks here I think this is true, that it's just anti-Americanism. For Cal88 it's pro-Putin. He's pretty clearly following the Russian party line on everything.

I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming. No, he will never admit that this happen. He will occasionally say that he is about to "destroy" this claim against him and then won't actually do it. And yes, claiming that man-made climate change isn't real is entirely consistent with Putin's propaganda, built to support his fading petro-state.

You're lying about Time Magazine, the article in question here was a series of 1970s Time Magazine covers about global cooling and massive winter blizzards sweeping N. America. There were 4 time Magazine covers in one image I posted (top row below), and out of these 4 covers, one of them turned out to be photoshoped, while the other three were real. That is the extent of the evidence you've used to smear me,
For the millionth time: the other three articles were not about climate change. You claimed they were, because you haven't actually read them and are just shotgunning propaganda.

You've just said that those Time Magazine were "completely fabricated", implying I had somehow doctored a bunch of Time Magazine articles:
Quote:

"I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming."

...and now you're backpedaling and arguing about the content of these articles, because you know that your accusation of me having "completely fabricated" these articles is bunk.
sycasey
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

dimitrig said:

It isn't as much pro-Putin as anti-American.

It is why I can agree with Cal88 on his Israel takes.

Is there any American foreign policy Cal88 supports?
For several of the anti-Ukraine, anti-Israel folks here I think this is true, that it's just anti-Americanism. For Cal88 it's pro-Putin. He's pretty clearly following the Russian party line on everything.

I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming. No, he will never admit that this happen. He will occasionally say that he is about to "destroy" this claim against him and then won't actually do it. And yes, claiming that man-made climate change isn't real is entirely consistent with Putin's propaganda, built to support his fading petro-state.

You're lying about Time Magazine, the article in question here was a series of 1970s Time Magazine covers about global cooling and massive winter blizzards sweeping N. America. There were 4 time Magazine covers in one image I posted (top row below), and out of these 4 covers, one of them turned out to be photoshoped, while the other three were real. That is the extent of the evidence you've used to smear me,
For the millionth time: the other three articles were not about climate change. You claimed they were, because you haven't actually read them and are just shotgunning propaganda.

You've just said that those Time Magazine were "completely fabricated", implying I had somehow doctored a bunch of Time Magazine articles:
Quote:

"I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming."

...and now you're backpedaling and arguing about the content of these articles, because you know that your accusation of me having "completely fabricated" these articles is bunk.

You claimed they were about climate change and they were not. Your argument was, and continues to be, bunk.
Cal88
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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

dimitrig said:

It isn't as much pro-Putin as anti-American.

It is why I can agree with Cal88 on his Israel takes.

Is there any American foreign policy Cal88 supports?
For several of the anti-Ukraine, anti-Israel folks here I think this is true, that it's just anti-Americanism. For Cal88 it's pro-Putin. He's pretty clearly following the Russian party line on everything.

I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming. No, he will never admit that this happen. He will occasionally say that he is about to "destroy" this claim against him and then won't actually do it. And yes, claiming that man-made climate change isn't real is entirely consistent with Putin's propaganda, built to support his fading petro-state.

You're lying about Time Magazine, the article in question here was a series of 1970s Time Magazine covers about global cooling and massive winter blizzards sweeping N. America. There were 4 time Magazine covers in one image I posted (top row below), and out of these 4 covers, one of them turned out to be photoshoped, while the other three were real. That is the extent of the evidence you've used to smear me,
For the millionth time: the other three articles were not about climate change. You claimed they were, because you haven't actually read them and are just shotgunning propaganda.

You've just said that those Time Magazine were "completely fabricated", implying I had somehow doctored a bunch of Time Magazine articles:
Quote:

"I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming."

...and now you're backpedaling and arguing about the content of these articles, because you know that your accusation of me having "completely fabricated" these articles is bunk.

You claimed they were about climate change and they were not. Your argument was, and continues to be, bunk.

These articles were about midwinter blizzards sweeping the US, which were so intense that they became Time cover stories.

We can argue about the content of those articles, but that's not what you've accused me of, you said I had "completely fabricated" these articles, which was a blatant lie.
oski003
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

dimitrig said:

It isn't as much pro-Putin as anti-American.

It is why I can agree with Cal88 on his Israel takes.

Is there any American foreign policy Cal88 supports?
For several of the anti-Ukraine, anti-Israel folks here I think this is true, that it's just anti-Americanism. For Cal88 it's pro-Putin. He's pretty clearly following the Russian party line on everything.

I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming. No, he will never admit that this happen. He will occasionally say that he is about to "destroy" this claim against him and then won't actually do it. And yes, claiming that man-made climate change isn't real is entirely consistent with Putin's propaganda, built to support his fading petro-state.

You're lying about Time Magazine, the article in question here was a series of 1970s Time Magazine covers about global cooling and massive winter blizzards sweeping N. America. There were 4 time Magazine covers in one image I posted (top row below), and out of these 4 covers, one of them turned out to be photoshoped, while the other three were real. That is the extent of the evidence you've used to smear me,
For the millionth time: the other three articles were not about climate change. You claimed they were, because you haven't actually read them and are just shotgunning propaganda.

You've just said that those Time Magazine were "completely fabricated", implying I had somehow doctored a bunch of Time Magazine articles:
Quote:

"I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming."

...and now you're backpedaling and arguing about the content of these articles, because you know that your accusation of me having "completely fabricated" these articles is bunk.

You claimed they were about climate change and they were not. Your argument was, and continues to be, bunk.

These articles were about midwinter blizzards sweeping the US, which were so intense that they became Time cover stories.

We can argue about the content of those articles, but that's not what you've accused me of, you said I had "completely fabricated" these articles, which was a blatant lie.


Here is article content on global cooling from Time and Newsweek.

https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/printout/0,8816,944914,00.html

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://iseethics.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/the-cooling-world-newsweek-april-28-1975.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiK9o7M8L6DAxXoC0QIHUvdD0MQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1GfR5QS90Hg-xSP9TLLGXR
Cal88
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oski003 said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

dimitrig said:

It isn't as much pro-Putin as anti-American.

It is why I can agree with Cal88 on his Israel takes.

Is there any American foreign policy Cal88 supports?
For several of the anti-Ukraine, anti-Israel folks here I think this is true, that it's just anti-Americanism. For Cal88 it's pro-Putin. He's pretty clearly following the Russian party line on everything.

I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming. No, he will never admit that this happen. He will occasionally say that he is about to "destroy" this claim against him and then won't actually do it. And yes, claiming that man-made climate change isn't real is entirely consistent with Putin's propaganda, built to support his fading petro-state.

You're lying about Time Magazine, the article in question here was a series of 1970s Time Magazine covers about global cooling and massive winter blizzards sweeping N. America. There were 4 time Magazine covers in one image I posted (top row below), and out of these 4 covers, one of them turned out to be photoshoped, while the other three were real. That is the extent of the evidence you've used to smear me,
For the millionth time: the other three articles were not about climate change. You claimed they were, because you haven't actually read them and are just shotgunning propaganda.

You've just said that those Time Magazine were "completely fabricated", implying I had somehow doctored a bunch of Time Magazine articles:
Quote:

"I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming."

...and now you're backpedaling and arguing about the content of these articles, because you know that your accusation of me having "completely fabricated" these articles is bunk.

You claimed they were about climate change and they were not. Your argument was, and continues to be, bunk.

These articles were about midwinter blizzards sweeping the US, which were so intense that they became Time cover stories.

We can argue about the content of those articles, but that's not what you've accused me of, you said I had "completely fabricated" these articles, which was a blatant lie.


Here is article content on global cooling from Time and Newsweek.

https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/printout/0,8816,944914,00.html

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://iseethics.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/the-cooling-world-newsweek-april-28-1975.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiK9o7M8L6DAxXoC0QIHUvdD0MQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1GfR5QS90Hg-xSP9TLLGXR

^ Complete fabrications!!!!

And here are several more complete fabrications about the 1970s global cooling craze:

1970 Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
1970 Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
1970 New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)
1970 Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (Owosso Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)
1970 Pollution's 2-way 'Freeze' On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)
1970 Cold Facts About Pollution (The Southeast Missourian, January 29, 1970)
1970 Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
1970 Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
1970 Dirt Will .Bring New Ice Age (The Sydney Morning Herald, October 19, 1970)
1971 Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (The Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)
1971 U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
1971 Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)
1971 New Ice Age Coming It's Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
1971 Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)
1971 Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)
1972 Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)
1972 Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)
1972 Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)
1972 British expert on Climate Change says Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)
1972 Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (Portsmouth Times, September 11, 1972)
1972 New Ice Age Slipping Over North (Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
1972 Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
1972 Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, September 12, 1972)
1972 British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
1972 Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
1972 Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
1973 The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
1973 Weather-watchers think another ice age may be on the way (The Christian Science Monitor, December 11, 1973)
1974 New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)
1974 Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)
1974 2 Scientists Think 'Little' Ice Age Near (The Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)
1974 Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (The Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)
1974 Believes Pollution Could Bring On Ice Age (Ludington Daily News, December 4, 1974)
1974 Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, December 4, 1974)
1974 Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, December 5, 1974)
1974 More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel December 5, 1974)
1974 Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 5, 1974)
1975 Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
1975 Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
1975 B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (The Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
1975 Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, March 2, 1975)
1975 Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator March 2, 1975)
1975 Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)
1975 New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, March 2, 1975)
1975 There's Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, March 2, 1975)
1975 Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, March 3, 1975)
1975 The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (The Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
1975 The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)
1975 Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
1975 In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
1975 Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 11, 1975)
1976 The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? (Lowell Ponte, 1976)
1977 Blizzard What Happens if it Doesn't Stop? (George Stone, 1977)
1977 The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age (The Impact Team, 1977)
1976 Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
1977 The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 We Will Freeze in the Dark (Capital Cities Communications Documentary, Host: Nancy Dickerson, April 12, 1977)
1978 The New Ice Age (Henry Gilfond, 1978)
1978 Little Ice Age: Severe winters and cool summers ahead (Calgary Herald, January 10, 1978)
1978 Winters Will Get Colder, 'we're Entering Little Ice Age' (Ellensburg Daily Record, January 10, 1978)
1978 Geologist Says Winters Getting Colder (Middlesboro Daily News, January 16, 1978)
1978 It's Going To Get Colder (Boca Raton News, January 17, 1978)
1978 Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1978)
1978 The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, Host: Leonard Nimoy, May 1978)
1978 An Ice Age Is Coming Weather Expert Fears (Milwaukee Sentinel, November 17, 1978)
1979 A Choice of Catastrophes The Disasters That Threaten Our World (Isaac Asimov, 1979)
1979 Get Ready to Freeze (Spokane Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)
1979 New ice age almost upon us? (The Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1979)
oski003
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Cal88 said:

oski003 said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

dimitrig said:

It isn't as much pro-Putin as anti-American.

It is why I can agree with Cal88 on his Israel takes.

Is there any American foreign policy Cal88 supports?
For several of the anti-Ukraine, anti-Israel folks here I think this is true, that it's just anti-Americanism. For Cal88 it's pro-Putin. He's pretty clearly following the Russian party line on everything.

I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming. No, he will never admit that this happen. He will occasionally say that he is about to "destroy" this claim against him and then won't actually do it. And yes, claiming that man-made climate change isn't real is entirely consistent with Putin's propaganda, built to support his fading petro-state.

You're lying about Time Magazine, the article in question here was a series of 1970s Time Magazine covers about global cooling and massive winter blizzards sweeping N. America. There were 4 time Magazine covers in one image I posted (top row below), and out of these 4 covers, one of them turned out to be photoshoped, while the other three were real. That is the extent of the evidence you've used to smear me,
For the millionth time: the other three articles were not about climate change. You claimed they were, because you haven't actually read them and are just shotgunning propaganda.

You've just said that those Time Magazine were "completely fabricated", implying I had somehow doctored a bunch of Time Magazine articles:
Quote:

"I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming."

...and now you're backpedaling and arguing about the content of these articles, because you know that your accusation of me having "completely fabricated" these articles is bunk.

You claimed they were about climate change and they were not. Your argument was, and continues to be, bunk.

These articles were about midwinter blizzards sweeping the US, which were so intense that they became Time cover stories.

We can argue about the content of those articles, but that's not what you've accused me of, you said I had "completely fabricated" these articles, which was a blatant lie.


Here is article content on global cooling from Time and Newsweek.

https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/printout/0,8816,944914,00.html

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://iseethics.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/the-cooling-world-newsweek-april-28-1975.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiK9o7M8L6DAxXoC0QIHUvdD0MQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1GfR5QS90Hg-xSP9TLLGXR

^ Complete fabrications!!!!

And here are several more complete fabrications about the 1970s global cooling craze:

1970 Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
1970 Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
1970 New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)
1970 Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (Owosso Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)
1970 Pollution's 2-way 'Freeze' On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)
1970 Cold Facts About Pollution (The Southeast Missourian, January 29, 1970)
1970 Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
1970 Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
1970 Dirt Will .Bring New Ice Age (The Sydney Morning Herald, October 19, 1970)
1971 Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (The Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)
1971 U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
1971 Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)
1971 New Ice Age Coming It's Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
1971 Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)
1971 Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)
1972 Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)
1972 Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)
1972 Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)
1972 British expert on Climate Change says Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)
1972 Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (Portsmouth Times, September 11, 1972)
1972 New Ice Age Slipping Over North (Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
1972 Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
1972 Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, September 12, 1972)
1972 British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
1972 Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
1972 Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
1973 The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
1973 Weather-watchers think another ice age may be on the way (The Christian Science Monitor, December 11, 1973)
1974 New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)
1974 Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)
1974 2 Scientists Think 'Little' Ice Age Near (The Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)
1974 Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (The Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)
1974 Believes Pollution Could Bring On Ice Age (Ludington Daily News, December 4, 1974)
1974 Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, December 4, 1974)
1974 Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, December 5, 1974)
1974 More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel December 5, 1974)
1974 Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 5, 1974)
1975 Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
1975 Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
1975 B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (The Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
1975 Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, March 2, 1975)
1975 Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator March 2, 1975)
1975 Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)
1975 New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, March 2, 1975)
1975 There's Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, March 2, 1975)
1975 Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, March 3, 1975)
1975 The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (The Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
1975 The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)
1975 Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
1975 In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
1975 Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 11, 1975)
1976 The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? (Lowell Ponte, 1976)
1977 Blizzard What Happens if it Doesn't Stop? (George Stone, 1977)
1977 The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age (The Impact Team, 1977)
1976 Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
1977 The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 We Will Freeze in the Dark (Capital Cities Communications Documentary, Host: Nancy Dickerson, April 12, 1977)
1978 The New Ice Age (Henry Gilfond, 1978)
1978 Little Ice Age: Severe winters and cool summers ahead (Calgary Herald, January 10, 1978)
1978 Winters Will Get Colder, 'we're Entering Little Ice Age' (Ellensburg Daily Record, January 10, 1978)
1978 Geologist Says Winters Getting Colder (Middlesboro Daily News, January 16, 1978)
1978 It's Going To Get Colder (Boca Raton News, January 17, 1978)
1978 Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1978)
1978 The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, Host: Leonard Nimoy, May 1978)
1978 An Ice Age Is Coming Weather Expert Fears (Milwaukee Sentinel, November 17, 1978)
1979 A Choice of Catastrophes The Disasters That Threaten Our World (Isaac Asimov, 1979)
1979 Get Ready to Freeze (Spokane Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)
1979 New ice age almost upon us? (The Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1979)


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Cal88
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~ 42 of these links work, 18 don't, give or take, so most (70%) of these links do work and provide plenty of relevant accessible content. Those 18 dead links include the two articles from Time and Newsweek that you've posted above. The headlines on the links that don't work are a proper representation of the content.
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I'm sure you can find other articles from the time that speculated about "global cooling." Claiming it was a scientific consensus would be wrong; it was just a theory that wasn't widely accepted yet. But sure, such articles existed.

That is separate from the point that someone who makes clearly and verifiably false claims about one set of articles can't be trusted to continue curating the rest. This is the problem with Cal88.
Cal88
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sycasey said:

I'm sure you can find other articles from the time that speculated about "global cooling." Claiming it was a scientific consensus would be wrong; it was just a theory that wasn't widely accepted yet. But sure, such articles existed.

Most of these articles from the 1970s above are saying that the community of scientists believed that global cooling was under way, many also saying that human pollution is a main factor in earth climate cooling, and that human activity was going to trigger a new ice age.



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That is separate from the point that someone who makes clearly and verifiably false claims about one set of articles can't be trusted to continue curating the rest. This is the problem with Cal88.

You've just made a verifiably false claim about me "fabricating articles", and shown that your accusation, obsessively repeated, was groundless.

You've used that one Time cover that turned out to be photoshopped to discredit the dozens upon dozens of other legitimate articles, and repeatedly attacked my character on that flimsy basis. This reflects poorly on your own character.
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sycasey said:

I'm sure you can find other articles from the time that speculated about "global cooling." Claiming it was a scientific consensus would be wrong; it was just a theory that wasn't widely accepted yet. But sure, such articles existed.

That is separate from the point that someone who makes clearly and verifiably false claims about one set of articles can't be trusted to continue curating the rest. This is the problem with Cal88.
As you noted, he's essentially a committed misinformation specialist. Whether he derives any income from it is irrelevant, he's clearly not just a regular person engaging in an organic conversation. He shows up with pre-baked lists of (often completely fake) information and sources which you can safely say he didn't arrive at through normal means.

There are a number of different groups funding this sort of activity - you see it with all of the paid shills out there who create and propagate these narratives and continuously feed the people who amplify it with more and more garbage. It used to just be think tanks but has expanded way beyond that.

People now will laugh about it, but they did the same thing with smoking, smog, ozone, etc. in decades past.

What he does is vomit up a bunch of garbage and then when you say check a single source and see that it's completely fabricated he will challenge you to check more. When you oblige and find more he will say "well that's just several of the many dozen sources I provided." He wins even when people call him out on his garbage because it gives him an additional opportunity to bolster his garbage.

That's why I stopped fact-checking him. At best he engages in cherry-picking but often he us just distributing the firehose of falsehoods that Putin's minions (or whomever) have generated. It's very cheap for him to share this stuff and very expensive in our time and energy to fact-check.

That's why I have him on ignore and refuse to engage with his "content." If people want to believe his garbage, they are a lost cause anyway.
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Sounds like Cal88 isn't always wrong. He also seems to be the most right poster who actually makes predictions on the situation of Ukraine, despite the attempts to bully unpopular views. Many of us expected Russia's initial surge toward Kyiv to be more successful, and it was a colossal failure. I thought Russia's airforce would control most of Ukraine, and I was 100% wrong. Since the initial incorrect predictions, Cal88 seems to have been mostly accurate in his assessments.
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Putin88 tends to be wrong when bad things happen to Russia and he tends to be right when good things happen to Russia. He was wrong throughout 2022 around Kyiv and Ukraine's advances in the east. He was wrong about Bakhmut in that he tried to present it as some important strategic victory when it was just facesaving propaganda at enormous loss of life. He was right about Russia not being overrun in Ukraine's 2023 offensive. If good things happen for Russia in 2024 then Putin88 will be right again.
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dajo9 said:

Putin88 tends to be wrong when bad things happen to Russia and he tends to be right when good things happen to Russia. He was wrong throughout 2022 around Kyiv and Ukraine's advances in the east. He was wrong about Bakhmut in that he tried to present it as some important strategic victory when it was just facesaving propaganda at enormous loss of life. He was right about Russia not being overrun in Ukraine's 2023 offensive. If good things happen for Russia in 2024 then Putin88 will be right again.

Bingo.
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Unit2Sucks said:

sycasey said:

I'm sure you can find other articles from the time that speculated about "global cooling." Claiming it was a scientific consensus would be wrong; it was just a theory that wasn't widely accepted yet. But sure, such articles existed.

That is separate from the point that someone who makes clearly and verifiably false claims about one set of articles can't be trusted to continue curating the rest. This is the problem with Cal88.
As you noted, he's essentially a committed misinformation specialist. Whether he derives any income from it is irrelevant, he's clearly not just a regular person engaging in an organic conversation. He shows up with pre-baked lists of (often completely fake) information and sources which you can safely say he didn't arrive at through normal means.

There are a number of different groups funding this sort of activity - you see it with all of the paid shills out there who create and propagate these narratives and continuously feed the people who amplify it with more and more garbage. It used to just be think tanks but has expanded way beyond that.

People now will laugh about it, but they did the same thing with smoking, smog, ozone, etc. in decades past.

What he does is vomit up a bunch of garbage and then when you say check a single source and see that it's completely fabricated he will challenge you to check more. When you oblige and find more he will say "well that's just several of the many dozen sources I provided." He wins even when people call him out on his garbage because it gives him an additional opportunity to bolster his garbage.

That's why I stopped fact-checking him. At best he engages in cherry-picking but often he us just distributing the firehose of falsehoods that Putin's minions (or whomever) have generated. It's very cheap for him to share this stuff and very expensive in our time and energy to fact-check.

That's why I have him on ignore and refuse to engage with his "content." If people want to believe his garbage, they are a lost cause anyway.

It's also pointless to fact-check someone who clearly hasn't even read many of his own sources. He posted a bunch of broken links above. Also obviously did not read those Time articles before posting the cover images or else he would know they had nothing to do with "global cooling."
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

dimitrig said:

It isn't as much pro-Putin as anti-American.

It is why I can agree with Cal88 on his Israel takes.

Is there any American foreign policy Cal88 supports?
For several of the anti-Ukraine, anti-Israel folks here I think this is true, that it's just anti-Americanism. For Cal88 it's pro-Putin. He's pretty clearly following the Russian party line on everything.

I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming. No, he will never admit that this happen. He will occasionally say that he is about to "destroy" this claim against him and then won't actually do it. And yes, claiming that man-made climate change isn't real is entirely consistent with Putin's propaganda, built to support his fading petro-state.

You're lying about Time Magazine, the article in question here was a series of 1970s Time Magazine covers about global cooling and massive winter blizzards sweeping N. America. There were 4 time Magazine covers in one image I posted (top row below), and out of these 4 covers, one of them turned out to be photoshoped, while the other three were real. That is the extent of the evidence you've used to smear me,



I've also presented in the same thread well over a dozen other news and scientific articles from the 1970s that also showed a zeitgeist leitmotiv of global cooling. Fixating on that one Time Magazine cover in a repeated attempt to smear me is dishonest and hypocritical.

As well the reason you're bringing this half-baked stale argument on here is because you have no argument against the basic premise that I was right about Ukraine. It's not anti-American to be against a very bloody war that has been planned decades ahead with the nurturing of the worst kind of vintage European nationalism in Kiev by NATO. And I do realize that for some it doesn't matter how much evidence I can post about how Banderism was fostered in Ukraine and how that country was pushed into a war that it could not win, a war that was entirely avoidable, in the end it's always about Putin and those damn russkies.
In the early-to-mid 1970s, the scientific consensus was toward global cooling. That's because so much of the world was burning coal for heating & electricity, and the airborne particulates, worldwide, were blocking the sun's radiation from reaching the Earth.

When most of the industrial world changed from coal to natural gas, the effects of coal's sun-blocking particulates diminished, while the heat-trapping effects of the CO2, which both coal & gas produce, continued.

This isn't a case of "scientists being wrong" in the 1970s; the scientists were correct about coal, and the Western World moved away from coal.

Similarly, when chlorinated fluorocarbons (CFCs) threatened the ozone layer, and presented an environmental threat to the world, there was an international movement to eliminate them & transition to the best alternatives.

Unfortunately, the oil companies, the U.S. military-industrial complex, and many of the most powerful individuals in the world, depend on the continued use of fossil fuels for their wealth & power. They refuse to allow the same planet-saving transition away from fossil fuels that previously saved us & the world from coal & CFCs.
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cbbass1 said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

dimitrig said:

It isn't as much pro-Putin as anti-American.

It is why I can agree with Cal88 on his Israel takes.

Is there any American foreign policy Cal88 supports?
For several of the anti-Ukraine, anti-Israel folks here I think this is true, that it's just anti-Americanism. For Cal88 it's pro-Putin. He's pretty clearly following the Russian party line on everything.

I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming. No, he will never admit that this happen. He will occasionally say that he is about to "destroy" this claim against him and then won't actually do it. And yes, claiming that man-made climate change isn't real is entirely consistent with Putin's propaganda, built to support his fading petro-state.

You're lying about Time Magazine, the article in question here was a series of 1970s Time Magazine covers about global cooling and massive winter blizzards sweeping N. America. There were 4 time Magazine covers in one image I posted (top row below), and out of these 4 covers, one of them turned out to be photoshoped, while the other three were real. That is the extent of the evidence you've used to smear me,



I've also presented in the same thread well over a dozen other news and scientific articles from the 1970s that also showed a zeitgeist leitmotiv of global cooling. Fixating on that one Time Magazine cover in a repeated attempt to smear me is dishonest and hypocritical.

As well the reason you're bringing this half-baked stale argument on here is because you have no argument against the basic premise that I was right about Ukraine. It's not anti-American to be against a very bloody war that has been planned decades ahead with the nurturing of the worst kind of vintage European nationalism in Kiev by NATO. And I do realize that for some it doesn't matter how much evidence I can post about how Banderism was fostered in Ukraine and how that country was pushed into a war that it could not win, a war that was entirely avoidable, in the end it's always about Putin and those damn russkies.
In the early-to-mid 1970s, the scientific consensus was toward global cooling. That's because so much of the world was burning coal for heating & electricity, and the airborne particulates, worldwide, were blocking the sun's radiation from reaching the Earth.

When most of the industrial world changed from coal to natural gas, the effects of coal's sun-blocking particulates diminished, while the heat-trapping effects of the CO2, which both coal & gas produce, continued.

This isn't a case of "scientists being wrong" in the 1970s; the scientists were correct about coal, and the Western World moved away from coal.

Similarly, when chlorinated fluorocarbons (CFCs) threatened the ozone layer, and presented an environmental threat to the world, there was an international movement to eliminate them & transition to the best alternatives.

Unfortunately, the oil companies, the U.S. military-industrial complex, and many of the most powerful individuals in the world, depend on the continued use of fossil fuels for their wealth & power. They refuse to allow the same planet-saving transition away from fossil fuels that previously saved us & the world from coal & CFCs.

And here comes Cal88's helper to divert the discussion away from Cal88's lack of credibility and towards the blah blah blah
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sycasey said:



It's also pointless to fact-check someone who clearly hasn't even read many of his own sources. He posted a bunch of broken links above. Also obviously did not read those Time articles before posting the cover images or else he would know they had nothing to do with "global cooling."
My point exactly - trolling is very cheap for him. Fact-checking is expensive.
dajo9 said:

Putin88 tends to be wrong when bad things happen to Russia and he tends to be right when good things happen to Russia. He was wrong throughout 2022 around Kyiv and Ukraine's advances in the east. He was wrong about Bakhmut in that he tried to present it as some important strategic victory when it was just facesaving propaganda at enormous loss of life. He was right about Russia not being overrun in Ukraine's 2023 offensive. If good things happen for Russia in 2024 then Putin88 will be right again.
It very much depends on how you define "right." Most of the time he does so with fake numbers and misinformation.

Let's take Russia's Kinzhal hypersonic missiles. Early in the war, Putin88 claimed thy were going to be a gamechanger. They have been an unmitigated failure for Putin and Russia. The developers of the missile were arrested for its failure (that's what happens when you embarrass an emperor). They claim it was treason and that they were corruptly working with China, which may be true and a pretext - corruption is rampant as is selective prosecution.

Today, Russia launched 10 khinzals at civilian targets in Kharkiv and Kyiv. All were shot down by decades old US missile defense systems. They haven't used the khinzals in quite a while since they were so unsuccessful but today was the biggest launch they've had. And the biggest failure.

For sh(ts and giggles, I searched for "hypersonic" in the Ukraine thread and found these posts. Were they correct? They certainly don't seem so now. And I do recognize that Putin88 will respond to this post by claiming that Ukraine has never shot down a kinzhal, that it's the best missile ever, and that it killed over 100M Ukrainian soldiers today, etc. etc. I won't see the post, but I guess you people will.
Cal88 said:

Russia as well has high-end long distance weapons in large quantities, including hypersonic missiles that they've used to take out an entire foreign troop training campus in western Ukraine in one shot. These missiles can't even be tracked by radar and are unstoppable.
Cal88 said:


The other issue with US doctrine potentially being applied in the Ukraine front is that the US has always operated with its logistical and support infrastructure well out of harm, it wouldn't be the case here. Russia can bomb air bases with hypersonic missiles 1,000km away, or shoot down any tanker or AWACS from 500km-600km out. Those are very large, slow, non-maneuverable targets flying well above ground level and are no match for Russian S-400s and S-500s coming in at Mach 14 (3 miles per second), undetectable by radar due to the plasma layer they fly through. The USAF doesn't have the means to fully suppress Russian AA systems with its fleet of F18s with HARM anti-radar, it can only make a dent into Russian stocks, while taking a lot of losses.

Unfortunately I can't search beyond the last 12 months so I don't have access to his whoppers from 2022 other than by randomly cherry-picking, which I spent 5 minutes doing.

I did find this whopper from August 2022 lol. Another ridiculous pro-Putin prediction that never even remotely came to pass.
Cal88 said:


They've already captured about 2/3 of the territories they intend to keep, they're going to take Nikolayev, Odessa, Zaporizhia and Kharkov sometime next year, about 35%-40% of Ukraine, almost all of its Russian speakers and 60% of Ukraine's GDP, and call it a day.
Since he made that post, Russia has not gained any terrain, let alone doubling as he promised would happen by now.

Here's another one from the same period where he defends the success of the attempt Russia made to capture kyiv (which Russian shills now pretend was merely a feint and didn't really count). This is from mid-August 2022.
Cal88 said:


Russia's initial multi-pronged assault was a fairly bold "decapitation" gamble, they were hoping for a quick regime change or a settlement with Zelensky's govt that would have given them essentially the Donbass and all Minsk Agreement points. It was primarily foiled by the intervention of US, UK and French leaders who bolstered Ukrainian military morale and promised them unlimited military and financial support.

We're most likely going to end up with the same result, regime change in Kiev, but with the Russians doing it the hard way, through the destruction of the Ukrainian armed forces and the conquest of half the country.

...

To date, Ukraine has lost nearly 200,000 soldiers, that's a leaked official estimate of UA killed in action, wounded, captured or deserted. I'd reckon we're around halfway through the total body count of this war, or slightly past, depending on how far this conflict will continue to be fed.

Russian losses are about 12,000-14,000 KIAs, with around maybe twice that amount wounded. In other words, they are easily winning this war of attrition, especially when you consider that their heaviest losses came in the early stages of the war when their forces were spread very thin. Russia went in with less than 200,000 troops against a total Ukrainian force of over half a million.

They are currently rotating their army on the front and proceeding methodically forward behind a wall of artillery, expending around 30,000-40,000 shells per day. The current ratio of firepower used on the frontline is around 10 to 1 for the Russians, and the body count will reflect that kind of imbalance.

Unfortunately we're beyond any compromise that could stop the carnage at this point, with Zelensky's govt talking about taking back Crimea when they should be pragmatically trying to save 3/4 of their country, and stave off the culling of another 100,000-200,000 men in the meatgrinder. By this time next year, the Russians will have taken all Russian-speaking regions and Zelensky will be left with a landlocked leftover western Ukraine, the poorest and least industrialized part of the country.
2 weeks later, with a different made up defense of Russia's initial attack on Kyiv.
Cal88 said:


The analysis of this Marine Lt Gen. is similar to that of many other military analysts. Basically, Russia used up around 40,000 troops in and around Kiev to pin down around 150,000-200,000 Ukrainian troops for the defense of the capital. And yes indeed, they were very much strained from a logistical standpoint, but they've managed to achieve their primary goal.
Here he is a few days later gleefully claiming that Russia had already killed 250k Ukrainians (a 50-100k jump from just a few days prior). Also gets bonus points for pretending Minsk II was an actual agreement with Russia that Ukraine single-handedly violated. Wildly false claims, that he probably will still stand behind.
Cal88 said:


You're married to an idiotic narrative that is ending up destroying Ukraine and killing a quarter million people in the process, when Ukraine could have been left unscathed by simply following the Minsk II Agreements that it signed several years ago.
Here he is days earlier making a wildly false claim about what would happen to Europe last winter. He will make excuses for why this was wrong and use false sources to claim that it actually was true or will be true but look at the certainty of what he said last year. All of his projections posts are like this. I suppose if you make enough projections, eventually some will come true but the vast majority are like the ones I've shared.
Cal88 said:


Europe is not going to get through this winter unscathed, the economic damage is going to create unprecedented social and political turmoil. The sanctions on Russia, which have not hurt that country one bit, are destroying European economies. There`s going to be a lot of blowback and a fundamental shift in domestic and foreign policy in a number of European governments in the next year or two.

Here he is from July 2022 lol.
Cal88 said:


The Russian army is a ground juggernaut that has been hitting its stride for the last couple of months. The Ukrainian army has put up a heroic resistance early on, but they are simply facing a stronger, deeper opponent who is waging this war on its own terms. The Ukrainians are already very thin at the front, with battalions being replenished by poorly equipped men with minimal training and most of all, little in terms of firepower volume on their side, and virtually no air support. This is not a good situation.

...

The Russians are going to grind it out all the way to the Dniepr, taking over nearly all of the eastern bank, and they will push across the southwestern bank cutting off Odessa. This is where they are likely to be by the next mud season, which starts in mid-October.

Another 30,000-50,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers, unless someone puts forward a political solution. That initiative is likely to come from western Europe, due to the enormous economic cost that the region is going to be facing. The problem is that the worst of it is going to hit this winter/spring, by then the Russians will have done their damage.
June 2022 lol. He predicted Russia would have almost half of Ukraine by the end of 2022. Since the date of that post, Russia has actually lost more ground than they've gained.
Cal88 said:


Ukraine has already lost 1/4 of its territory, and the Russians will take roughly 40-45% of present-day Ukraine, all the predominantly Russian-speaking regions, including Odessa and Kharkiv, basically historic Novorossiya along with parts of Malorussia (NE Ukraine). This area represents about 2/3 of Ukraine's GDP and wheat belt, and all of its coastline.

They will achieve this by the end of the year, continuing to grind away Ukrainian forces, which are currently depleting at a rate of about 1,500 men/day. Most of these poor souls are dying in one-sided artillery duels where Russian forces are mostly beyond their reach. The losses this coming month are going to snowball into a loss of morale and increased desertions and surrenders in the Ukrainian ranks. Already the situation has grown so dire that Ukraine is imposing mandatory conscription of all adult women under 60...

...

Once that line of defense is breached and the Russians are behind it, Chapman is Gone, they will have a clear run to Dnipro and the eastern heartland of Ukraine, their daily advances will be more pronounced (though they won't repeat their early tactical errors of overextending), and they will be able to shift their personnel and artillery to the Mikolayev front, the same way they moved their Mariupol troops up to the Donbass a month ago. They will take Mikolayev and cut off Odessa, and move north on Zaporizhia towards Dnipro.

Here he is from May 2022:
Cal88 said:

Agreed. Russia's main objective is to encircle the ~60k strong Ukrainian forces on the Donbass front, which I think they will achieve within the next 2-4 weeks. These forces are the main Ukrainian army body outside of the cities, without which Russia will have a free rein over the entire eastern bank of the Dniepr river.

So why would anyone listen to anything Cal88 has to say?
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dajo9 said:

cbbass1 said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

dimitrig said:

It isn't as much pro-Putin as anti-American.

It is why I can agree with Cal88 on his Israel takes.

Is there any American foreign policy Cal88 supports?
For several of the anti-Ukraine, anti-Israel folks here I think this is true, that it's just anti-Americanism. For Cal88 it's pro-Putin. He's pretty clearly following the Russian party line on everything.

I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming. No, he will never admit that this happen. He will occasionally say that he is about to "destroy" this claim against him and then won't actually do it. And yes, claiming that man-made climate change isn't real is entirely consistent with Putin's propaganda, built to support his fading petro-state.

You're lying about Time Magazine, the article in question here was a series of 1970s Time Magazine covers about global cooling and massive winter blizzards sweeping N. America. There were 4 time Magazine covers in one image I posted (top row below), and out of these 4 covers, one of them turned out to be photoshoped, while the other three were real. That is the extent of the evidence you've used to smear me,



I've also presented in the same thread well over a dozen other news and scientific articles from the 1970s that also showed a zeitgeist leitmotiv of global cooling. Fixating on that one Time Magazine cover in a repeated attempt to smear me is dishonest and hypocritical.

As well the reason you're bringing this half-baked stale argument on here is because you have no argument against the basic premise that I was right about Ukraine. It's not anti-American to be against a very bloody war that has been planned decades ahead with the nurturing of the worst kind of vintage European nationalism in Kiev by NATO. And I do realize that for some it doesn't matter how much evidence I can post about how Banderism was fostered in Ukraine and how that country was pushed into a war that it could not win, a war that was entirely avoidable, in the end it's always about Putin and those damn russkies.
In the early-to-mid 1970s, the scientific consensus was toward global cooling. That's because so much of the world was burning coal for heating & electricity, and the airborne particulates, worldwide, were blocking the sun's radiation from reaching the Earth.

When most of the industrial world changed from coal to natural gas, the effects of coal's sun-blocking particulates diminished, while the heat-trapping effects of the CO2, which both coal & gas produce, continued.

This isn't a case of "scientists being wrong" in the 1970s; the scientists were correct about coal, and the Western World moved away from coal.

Similarly, when chlorinated fluorocarbons (CFCs) threatened the ozone layer, and presented an environmental threat to the world, there was an international movement to eliminate them & transition to the best alternatives.

Unfortunately, the oil companies, the U.S. military-industrial complex, and many of the most powerful individuals in the world, depend on the continued use of fossil fuels for their wealth & power. They refuse to allow the same planet-saving transition away from fossil fuels that previously saved us & the world from coal & CFCs.

And here comes Cal88's helper to divert the discussion away from Cal88's lack of credibility and towards the blah blah blah
IF by "towards the blah blah blah" you meant "toward FACTS," then yeah, guilty as charged.

Your personal crusade to attack Cal88's credibility is childish & tiresome.

I just added some important factual context to the climate discussion that was missing.

Can we get back to discussing issues, and move away from this juvenile rock-throwing?

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cbbass1 said:

dajo9 said:

cbbass1 said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

dimitrig said:

It isn't as much pro-Putin as anti-American.

It is why I can agree with Cal88 on his Israel takes.

Is there any American foreign policy Cal88 supports?
For several of the anti-Ukraine, anti-Israel folks here I think this is true, that it's just anti-Americanism. For Cal88 it's pro-Putin. He's pretty clearly following the Russian party line on everything.

I will once again repeat that everyone should have stopped taking Cal88 seriously 6 1/2 years ago when he referenced completely fabricated Time Magazine articles in support of his position against global warming. No, he will never admit that this happen. He will occasionally say that he is about to "destroy" this claim against him and then won't actually do it. And yes, claiming that man-made climate change isn't real is entirely consistent with Putin's propaganda, built to support his fading petro-state.

You're lying about Time Magazine, the article in question here was a series of 1970s Time Magazine covers about global cooling and massive winter blizzards sweeping N. America. There were 4 time Magazine covers in one image I posted (top row below), and out of these 4 covers, one of them turned out to be photoshoped, while the other three were real. That is the extent of the evidence you've used to smear me,



I've also presented in the same thread well over a dozen other news and scientific articles from the 1970s that also showed a zeitgeist leitmotiv of global cooling. Fixating on that one Time Magazine cover in a repeated attempt to smear me is dishonest and hypocritical.

As well the reason you're bringing this half-baked stale argument on here is because you have no argument against the basic premise that I was right about Ukraine. It's not anti-American to be against a very bloody war that has been planned decades ahead with the nurturing of the worst kind of vintage European nationalism in Kiev by NATO. And I do realize that for some it doesn't matter how much evidence I can post about how Banderism was fostered in Ukraine and how that country was pushed into a war that it could not win, a war that was entirely avoidable, in the end it's always about Putin and those damn russkies.
In the early-to-mid 1970s, the scientific consensus was toward global cooling. That's because so much of the world was burning coal for heating & electricity, and the airborne particulates, worldwide, were blocking the sun's radiation from reaching the Earth.

When most of the industrial world changed from coal to natural gas, the effects of coal's sun-blocking particulates diminished, while the heat-trapping effects of the CO2, which both coal & gas produce, continued.

This isn't a case of "scientists being wrong" in the 1970s; the scientists were correct about coal, and the Western World moved away from coal.

Similarly, when chlorinated fluorocarbons (CFCs) threatened the ozone layer, and presented an environmental threat to the world, there was an international movement to eliminate them & transition to the best alternatives.

Unfortunately, the oil companies, the U.S. military-industrial complex, and many of the most powerful individuals in the world, depend on the continued use of fossil fuels for their wealth & power. They refuse to allow the same planet-saving transition away from fossil fuels that previously saved us & the world from coal & CFCs.

And here comes Cal88's helper to divert the discussion away from Cal88's lack of credibility and towards the blah blah blah
IF by "towards the blah blah blah" you meant "toward FACTS," then yeah, guilty as charged.

Your personal crusade to attack Cal88's credibility is childish & tiresome.

I just added some important factual context to the climate discussion that was missing.

Can we get back to discussing issues, and move away from this juvenile rock-throwing?


You are off topic in this thread
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cbbass1 said:

In the early-to-mid 1970s, the scientific consensus was toward global cooling. That's because so much of the world was burning coal for heating & electricity, and the airborne particulates, worldwide, were blocking the sun's radiation from reaching the Earth.
Some people thought global cooling (or "a new ice age") might be coming, but it's not accurate to call it a "consensus." More that there was no consensus. Some thought warming might be coming, some thought cooling, and over time the warming theory has won out.

https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/06/04/the-1970s-ice-age-myth-and-time-magazine-covers-by-david-kirtley
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This, in a very brief nutshell, was the state of climate science in the 1970s. And so the media of the time published many stories about a coming ice age, which made for timely reading during some very cold winters. But many news stories also mentioned that other important detail about CO2: that our climate might soon change due to global warming. In 1976 Time published "The World's Climate: Unpredictable" which is a very good summary of the then current scientific thinking: some scientists emphasized aerosols and cooling, some scientists emphasized CO2 and warming. There was no consensus either way. Many other 1970s articles which mention a Coming Ice Age also mention the possibility of increased warming due to CO2. For instance, here, here and here.
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sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

In the early-to-mid 1970s, the scientific consensus was toward global cooling. That's because so much of the world was burning coal for heating & electricity, and the airborne particulates, worldwide, were blocking the sun's radiation from reaching the Earth.
Some people thought global cooling (or "a new ice age") might be coming, but it's not accurate to call it a "consensus." More that there was no consensus. Some thought warming might be coming, some thought cooling, and over time the warming theory has won out.

https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/06/04/the-1970s-ice-age-myth-and-time-magazine-covers-by-david-kirtley
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This, in a very brief nutshell, was the state of climate science in the 1970s. And so the media of the time published many stories about a coming ice age, which made for timely reading during some very cold winters. But many news stories also mentioned that other important detail about CO2: that our climate might soon change due to global warming. In 1976 Time published "The World's Climate: Unpredictable" which is a very good summary of the then current scientific thinking: some scientists emphasized aerosols and cooling, some scientists emphasized CO2 and warming. There was no consensus either way. Many other 1970s articles which mention a Coming Ice Age also mention the possibility of increased warming due to CO2. For instance, here, here and here.

Thanks for the links & the info, Sy.

The CO2 warming theories were definitely in their infancy, as was the ability to simulate the effects. The cooling due to coal particulates happened to match the immediate weather pattern, AND people who lived in coal-burning areas could see the dirty air they were breathing, so people could relate to it more easily.


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Uneducated people, often Republicans, like to point to instances where science has had to self-correct and thus use it as evidence that science can't be trusted. It completely ignores that that is how the scientific method works. You pose a theory, you test it, others test it, you gather more data, and eventually you accept or reject it. Sometimes even long-held theories can later be proven wrong. That doesn't mean you can just ignore science in favor of whatever crazy beliefs you want to adhere to.

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dimitrig said:


Uneducated people, often Republicans, like to point to instances where science has had to self-correct and thus use it as evidence that science can't be trusted. It completely ignores that that is how the scientific method works. You pose a theory, you test it, others test it, you gather more data, and eventually you accept or reject it. Sometimes even long-held theories can later be proven wrong. That doesn't mean you can just ignore science in favor of whatever crazy beliefs you want to adhere to.


Pompous asses, often Democrats, like to make mandates based on unsettled science.
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Unit2Sucks said:

sycasey said:



It's also pointless to fact-check someone who clearly hasn't even read many of his own sources. He posted a bunch of broken links above. Also obviously did not read those Time articles before posting the cover images or else he would know they had nothing to do with "global cooling."
My point exactly - trolling is very cheap for him. Fact-checking is expensive.
dajo9 said:

Putin88 tends to be wrong when bad things happen to Russia and he tends to be right when good things happen to Russia. He was wrong throughout 2022 around Kyiv and Ukraine's advances in the east. He was wrong about Bakhmut in that he tried to present it as some important strategic victory when it was just facesaving propaganda at enormous loss of life. He was right about Russia not being overrun in Ukraine's 2023 offensive. If good things happen for Russia in 2024 then Putin88 will be right again.
It very much depends on how you define "right." Most of the time he does so with fake numbers and misinformation.

Let's take Russia's Kinzhal hypersonic missiles. Early in the war, Putin88 claimed thy were going to be a gamechanger. They have been an unmitigated failure for Putin and Russia. The developers of the missile were arrested for its failure (that's what happens when you embarrass an emperor). They claim it was treason and that they were corruptly working with China, which may be true and a pretext - corruption is rampant as is selective prosecution.

Today, Russia launched 10 khinzals at civilian targets in Kharkiv and Kyiv. All were shot down by decades old US missile defense systems. They haven't used the khinzals in quite a while since they were so unsuccessful but today was the biggest launch they've had. And the biggest failure.

For sh(ts and giggles, I searched for "hypersonic" in the Ukraine thread and found these posts. Were they correct? They certainly don't seem so now. And I do recognize that Putin88 will respond to this post by claiming that Ukraine has never shot down a kinzhal, that it's the best missile ever, and that it killed over 100M Ukrainian soldiers today, etc. etc. I won't see the post, but I guess you people will.
Cal88 said:

Russia as well has high-end long distance weapons in large quantities, including hypersonic missiles that they've used to take out an entire foreign troop training campus in western Ukraine in one shot. These missiles can't even be tracked by radar and are unstoppable.
Cal88 said:


The other issue with US doctrine potentially being applied in the Ukraine front is that the US has always operated with its logistical and support infrastructure well out of harm, it wouldn't be the case here. Russia can bomb air bases with hypersonic missiles 1,000km away, or shoot down any tanker or AWACS from 500km-600km out. Those are very large, slow, non-maneuverable targets flying well above ground level and are no match for Russian S-400s and S-500s coming in at Mach 14 (3 miles per second), undetectable by radar due to the plasma layer they fly through. The USAF doesn't have the means to fully suppress Russian AA systems with its fleet of F18s with HARM anti-radar, it can only make a dent into Russian stocks, while taking a lot of losses.

Unfortunately I can't search beyond the last 12 months so I don't have access to his whoppers from 2022 other than by randomly cherry-picking, which I spent 5 minutes doing.

I did find this whopper from August 2022 lol. Another ridiculous pro-Putin prediction that never even remotely came to pass.
Cal88 said:


They've already captured about 2/3 of the territories they intend to keep, they're going to take Nikolayev, Odessa, Zaporizhia and Kharkov sometime next year, about 35%-40% of Ukraine, almost all of its Russian speakers and 60% of Ukraine's GDP, and call it a day.
Since he made that post, Russia has not gained any terrain, let alone doubling as he promised would happen by now.

Here's another one from the same period where he defends the success of the attempt Russia made to capture kyiv (which Russian shills now pretend was merely a feint and didn't really count). This is from mid-August 2022.
Cal88 said:


Russia's initial multi-pronged assault was a fairly bold "decapitation" gamble, they were hoping for a quick regime change or a settlement with Zelensky's govt that would have given them essentially the Donbass and all Minsk Agreement points. It was primarily foiled by the intervention of US, UK and French leaders who bolstered Ukrainian military morale and promised them unlimited military and financial support.

We're most likely going to end up with the same result, regime change in Kiev, but with the Russians doing it the hard way, through the destruction of the Ukrainian armed forces and the conquest of half the country.

...

To date, Ukraine has lost nearly 200,000 soldiers, that's a leaked official estimate of UA killed in action, wounded, captured or deserted. I'd reckon we're around halfway through the total body count of this war, or slightly past, depending on how far this conflict will continue to be fed.

Russian losses are about 12,000-14,000 KIAs, with around maybe twice that amount wounded. In other words, they are easily winning this war of attrition, especially when you consider that their heaviest losses came in the early stages of the war when their forces were spread very thin. Russia went in with less than 200,000 troops against a total Ukrainian force of over half a million.

They are currently rotating their army on the front and proceeding methodically forward behind a wall of artillery, expending around 30,000-40,000 shells per day. The current ratio of firepower used on the frontline is around 10 to 1 for the Russians, and the body count will reflect that kind of imbalance.

Unfortunately we're beyond any compromise that could stop the carnage at this point, with Zelensky's govt talking about taking back Crimea when they should be pragmatically trying to save 3/4 of their country, and stave off the culling of another 100,000-200,000 men in the meatgrinder. By this time next year, the Russians will have taken all Russian-speaking regions and Zelensky will be left with a landlocked leftover western Ukraine, the poorest and least industrialized part of the country.
2 weeks later, with a different made up defense of Russia's initial attack on Kyiv.
Cal88 said:


The analysis of this Marine Lt Gen. is similar to that of many other military analysts. Basically, Russia used up around 40,000 troops in and around Kiev to pin down around 150,000-200,000 Ukrainian troops for the defense of the capital. And yes indeed, they were very much strained from a logistical standpoint, but they've managed to achieve their primary goal.
Here he is a few days later gleefully claiming that Russia had already killed 250k Ukrainians (a 50-100k jump from just a few days prior). Also gets bonus points for pretending Minsk II was an actual agreement with Russia that Ukraine single-handedly violated. Wildly false claims, that he probably will still stand behind.
Cal88 said:


You're married to an idiotic narrative that is ending up destroying Ukraine and killing a quarter million people in the process, when Ukraine could have been left unscathed by simply following the Minsk II Agreements that it signed several years ago.
Here he is days earlier making a wildly false claim about what would happen to Europe last winter. He will make excuses for why this was wrong and use false sources to claim that it actually was true or will be true but look at the certainty of what he said last year. All of his projections posts are like this. I suppose if you make enough projections, eventually some will come true but the vast majority are like the ones I've shared.
Cal88 said:


Europe is not going to get through this winter unscathed, the economic damage is going to create unprecedented social and political turmoil. The sanctions on Russia, which have not hurt that country one bit, are destroying European economies. There`s going to be a lot of blowback and a fundamental shift in domestic and foreign policy in a number of European governments in the next year or two.

Here he is from July 2022 lol.
Cal88 said:


The Russian army is a ground juggernaut that has been hitting its stride for the last couple of months. The Ukrainian army has put up a heroic resistance early on, but they are simply facing a stronger, deeper opponent who is waging this war on its own terms. The Ukrainians are already very thin at the front, with battalions being replenished by poorly equipped men with minimal training and most of all, little in terms of firepower volume on their side, and virtually no air support. This is not a good situation.

...

The Russians are going to grind it out all the way to the Dniepr, taking over nearly all of the eastern bank, and they will push across the southwestern bank cutting off Odessa. This is where they are likely to be by the next mud season, which starts in mid-October.

Another 30,000-50,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers, unless someone puts forward a political solution. That initiative is likely to come from western Europe, due to the enormous economic cost that the region is going to be facing. The problem is that the worst of it is going to hit this winter/spring, by then the Russians will have done their damage.
June 2022 lol. He predicted Russia would have almost half of Ukraine by the end of 2022. Since the date of that post, Russia has actually lost more ground than they've gained.
Cal88 said:


Ukraine has already lost 1/4 of its territory, and the Russians will take roughly 40-45% of present-day Ukraine, all the predominantly Russian-speaking regions, including Odessa and Kharkiv, basically historic Novorossiya along with parts of Malorussia (NE Ukraine). This area represents about 2/3 of Ukraine's GDP and wheat belt, and all of its coastline.

They will achieve this by the end of the year, continuing to grind away Ukrainian forces, which are currently depleting at a rate of about 1,500 men/day. Most of these poor souls are dying in one-sided artillery duels where Russian forces are mostly beyond their reach. The losses this coming month are going to snowball into a loss of morale and increased desertions and surrenders in the Ukrainian ranks. Already the situation has grown so dire that Ukraine is imposing mandatory conscription of all adult women under 60...

...

Once that line of defense is breached and the Russians are behind it, Chapman is Gone, they will have a clear run to Dnipro and the eastern heartland of Ukraine, their daily advances will be more pronounced (though they won't repeat their early tactical errors of overextending), and they will be able to shift their personnel and artillery to the Mikolayev front, the same way they moved their Mariupol troops up to the Donbass a month ago. They will take Mikolayev and cut off Odessa, and move north on Zaporizhia towards Dnipro.

Here he is from May 2022:
Cal88 said:

Agreed. Russia's main objective is to encircle the ~60k strong Ukrainian forces on the Donbass front, which I think they will achieve within the next 2-4 weeks. These forces are the main Ukrainian army body outside of the cities, without which Russia will have a free rein over the entire eastern bank of the Dniepr river.

So why would anyone listen to anything Cal88 has to say?

Wow, that's a lot of research and thought into the content of a poster who you "have on ignore" and for whom you "refuse to engage in his "content"'!

(Love you, though, Unit2! You know that! Some proof: I think Putin sucks, Trump blows and I'm pro-vax! Just sayin'... )
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Wow, that's a lot of research and thought into the content of a poster who you "have on ignore" and for whom you "refuse to engage in his "content"'!

(Love you, though, Unit2! You know that! Some proof: I think Putin sucks, Trump blows and I'm pro-vax! Just sayin'... )
Like I said, this thread caused me to look back to the early days of the Ukraine. The original post by blungld wasn't even close to the worst of his early predictions so I took some time to cherry-pick Cal88's comments.

As you can see, he posts an incredible amount of misinformation and pro-Putin projections, so taking the time to respond to each one isn't feasible. Unlike him, I don't have a staff of Putin paid propagandists feeding me responses to everything he writes.

I will keep him on ignore and won't go back to see what lies he's posted in this thread (in response to me or others) or in the Ukraine thread because he thrives on hand to hand combat and wants people to engage with him so he can amplify the falsehoods.

For anyone who takes the time to read what I posted here, they will see just how ridiculous he is. If people don't want to see it, that's fine too.

EDIT: Also, mutual fan of your work Big C, and not because we often agree with each other. I appreciate the way you post and your subtle sense of humor, even when targeted toward me.
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dimitrig said:


Uneducated people, often Republicans, like to point to instances where science has had to self-correct and thus use it as evidence that science can't be trusted. It completely ignores that that is how the scientific method works. You pose a theory, you test it, others test it, you gather more data, and eventually you accept or reject it. Sometimes even long-held theories can later be proven wrong. That doesn't mean you can just ignore science in favor of whatever crazy beliefs you want to adhere to.



Self-correcting science: Science from scientists that I like who changed their minds about something they were previously damn sure of despite the evidence from other scientists that you don't like.
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oski003 said:

dimitrig said:


Uneducated people, often Republicans, like to point to instances where science has had to self-correct and thus use it as evidence that science can't be trusted. It completely ignores that that is how the scientific method works. You pose a theory, you test it, others test it, you gather more data, and eventually you accept or reject it. Sometimes even long-held theories can later be proven wrong. That doesn't mean you can just ignore science in favor of whatever crazy beliefs you want to adhere to.


Pompous asses, often Democrats, like to make mandates based on unsettled science.

When does it get settled?

I think for a lot of these issues such as climate change it is pretty settled. 97% of climate scientists agree.

Do we have to wait for another 2% before we can pass any legislation?



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dimitrig said:

oski003 said:

dimitrig said:


Uneducated people, often Republicans, like to point to instances where science has had to self-correct and thus use it as evidence that science can't be trusted. It completely ignores that that is how the scientific method works. You pose a theory, you test it, others test it, you gather more data, and eventually you accept or reject it. Sometimes even long-held theories can later be proven wrong. That doesn't mean you can just ignore science in favor of whatever crazy beliefs you want to adhere to.


Pompous asses, often Democrats, like to make mandates based on unsettled science.

When does it get settled?

I think for a lot of these issues such as climate change it is pretty settled. 97% of climate scientists agree.

Do we have to wait for another 2% before we can pass any legislation?


I distinctly remember the climate change deniers saying that science was NEVER settled. Usually because they were arguing we didn't need to pass any laws or spend any money on climate change.

All you can do is make the best decisions based on the information currently available.
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bear2034 said:

dimitrig said:


Uneducated people, often Republicans, like to point to instances where science has had to self-correct and thus use it as evidence that science can't be trusted. It completely ignores that that is how the scientific method works. You pose a theory, you test it, others test it, you gather more data, and eventually you accept or reject it. Sometimes even long-held theories can later be proven wrong. That doesn't mean you can just ignore science in favor of whatever crazy beliefs you want to adhere to.



Self-correcting science: Science from scientists that I like who changed their minds about something they were previously damn sure of despite the evidence from other scientists that you don't like.
Personally, I like people that don't have their beliefs set in place like concrete and can change based on later additional information. I think it's telling that you feel scientists are forever scarred and discredited for changing their opinion on something.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:


Personally, I like people that don't have their beliefs set in place like concrete and can change based on later additional information. I think it's telling that you feel scientists are forever scarred and discredited for changing their opinion on something.
Akshually, I believe concrete is now generally recognized to be an amorphous solid and has been shown to deform over time. So, it may be less rigid than some of the beliefs that conservatives have.
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dimitrig said:

oski003 said:

dimitrig said:


Uneducated people, often Republicans, like to point to instances where science has had to self-correct and thus use it as evidence that science can't be trusted. It completely ignores that that is how the scientific method works. You pose a theory, you test it, others test it, you gather more data, and eventually you accept or reject it. Sometimes even long-held theories can later be proven wrong. That doesn't mean you can just ignore science in favor of whatever crazy beliefs you want to adhere to.


Pompous asses, often Democrats, like to make mandates based on unsettled science.

When does it get settled?

I think for a lot of these issues such as climate change it is pretty settled. 97% of climate scientists agree.

Do we have to wait for another 2% before we can pass any legislation?





No, we don't need to wait for 100% consensus before we pass any legislation. I will settle for the government not purposely lying to us to push an agenda.
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oski003 said:

dimitrig said:

oski003 said:

dimitrig said:


Uneducated people, often Republicans, like to point to instances where science has had to self-correct and thus use it as evidence that science can't be trusted. It completely ignores that that is how the scientific method works. You pose a theory, you test it, others test it, you gather more data, and eventually you accept or reject it. Sometimes even long-held theories can later be proven wrong. That doesn't mean you can just ignore science in favor of whatever crazy beliefs you want to adhere to.


Pompous asses, often Democrats, like to make mandates based on unsettled science.

When does it get settled?

I think for a lot of these issues such as climate change it is pretty settled. 97% of climate scientists agree.

Do we have to wait for another 2% before we can pass any legislation?





No, we don't need to wait for 100% consensus before we pass any legislation. I will settle for the government not purposely lying to us to push an agenda.
So, I'm other words, never.
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Unit2Sucks said:

sycasey said:



It's also pointless to fact-check someone who clearly hasn't even read many of his own sources. He posted a bunch of broken links above. Also obviously did not read those Time articles before posting the cover images or else he would know they had nothing to do with "global cooling."
My point exactly - trolling is very cheap for him. Fact-checking is expensive.
dajo9 said:

Putin88 tends to be wrong when bad things happen to Russia and he tends to be right when good things happen to Russia. He was wrong throughout 2022 around Kyiv and Ukraine's advances in the east. He was wrong about Bakhmut in that he tried to present it as some important strategic victory when it was just facesaving propaganda at enormous loss of life. He was right about Russia not being overrun in Ukraine's 2023 offensive. If good things happen for Russia in 2024 then Putin88 will be right again.
It very much depends on how you define "right." Most of the time he does so with fake numbers and misinformation.

Let's take Russia's Kinzhal hypersonic missiles. Early in the war, Putin88 claimed thy were going to be a gamechanger. They have been an unmitigated failure for Putin and Russia. The developers of the missile were arrested for its failure (that's what happens when you embarrass an emperor). They claim it was treason and that they were corruptly working with China, which may be true and a pretext - corruption is rampant as is selective prosecution.

Today, Russia launched 10 khinzals at civilian targets in Kharkiv and Kyiv. All were shot down by decades old US missile defense systems. They haven't used the khinzals in quite a while since they were so unsuccessful but today was the biggest launch they've had. And the biggest failure.

For sh(ts and giggles, I searched for "hypersonic" in the Ukraine thread and found these posts. Were they correct? They certainly don't seem so now. And I do recognize that Putin88 will respond to this post by claiming that Ukraine has never shot down a kinzhal, that it's the best missile ever, and that it killed over 100M Ukrainian soldiers today, etc. etc. I won't see the post, but I guess you people will.
Cal88 said:

Russia as well has high-end long distance weapons in large quantities, including hypersonic missiles that they've used to take out an entire foreign troop training campus in western Ukraine in one shot. These missiles can't even be tracked by radar and are unstoppable.
Cal88 said:


The other issue with US doctrine potentially being applied in the Ukraine front is that the US has always operated with its logistical and support infrastructure well out of harm, it wouldn't be the case here. Russia can bomb air bases with hypersonic missiles 1,000km away, or shoot down any tanker or AWACS from 500km-600km out. Those are very large, slow, non-maneuverable targets flying well above ground level and are no match for Russian S-400s and S-500s coming in at Mach 14 (3 miles per second), undetectable by radar due to the plasma layer they fly through. The USAF doesn't have the means to fully suppress Russian AA systems with its fleet of F18s with HARM anti-radar, it can only make a dent into Russian stocks, while taking a lot of losses.

Unfortunately I can't search beyond the last 12 months so I don't have access to his whoppers from 2022 other than by randomly cherry-picking, which I spent 5 minutes doing.

I did find this whopper from August 2022 lol. Another ridiculous pro-Putin prediction that never even remotely came to pass.
Cal88 said:


They've already captured about 2/3 of the territories they intend to keep, they're going to take Nikolayev, Odessa, Zaporizhia and Kharkov sometime next year, about 35%-40% of Ukraine, almost all of its Russian speakers and 60% of Ukraine's GDP, and call it a day.
Since he made that post, Russia has not gained any terrain, let alone doubling as he promised would happen by now.

Here's another one from the same period where he defends the success of the attempt Russia made to capture kyiv (which Russian shills now pretend was merely a feint and didn't really count). This is from mid-August 2022.
Cal88 said:


Russia's initial multi-pronged assault was a fairly bold "decapitation" gamble, they were hoping for a quick regime change or a settlement with Zelensky's govt that would have given them essentially the Donbass and all Minsk Agreement points. It was primarily foiled by the intervention of US, UK and French leaders who bolstered Ukrainian military morale and promised them unlimited military and financial support.

We're most likely going to end up with the same result, regime change in Kiev, but with the Russians doing it the hard way, through the destruction of the Ukrainian armed forces and the conquest of half the country.

...

To date, Ukraine has lost nearly 200,000 soldiers, that's a leaked official estimate of UA killed in action, wounded, captured or deserted. I'd reckon we're around halfway through the total body count of this war, or slightly past, depending on how far this conflict will continue to be fed.

Russian losses are about 12,000-14,000 KIAs, with around maybe twice that amount wounded. In other words, they are easily winning this war of attrition, especially when you consider that their heaviest losses came in the early stages of the war when their forces were spread very thin. Russia went in with less than 200,000 troops against a total Ukrainian force of over half a million.

They are currently rotating their army on the front and proceeding methodically forward behind a wall of artillery, expending around 30,000-40,000 shells per day. The current ratio of firepower used on the frontline is around 10 to 1 for the Russians, and the body count will reflect that kind of imbalance.

Unfortunately we're beyond any compromise that could stop the carnage at this point, with Zelensky's govt talking about taking back Crimea when they should be pragmatically trying to save 3/4 of their country, and stave off the culling of another 100,000-200,000 men in the meatgrinder. By this time next year, the Russians will have taken all Russian-speaking regions and Zelensky will be left with a landlocked leftover western Ukraine, the poorest and least industrialized part of the country.
2 weeks later, with a different made up defense of Russia's initial attack on Kyiv.
Cal88 said:


The analysis of this Marine Lt Gen. is similar to that of many other military analysts. Basically, Russia used up around 40,000 troops in and around Kiev to pin down around 150,000-200,000 Ukrainian troops for the defense of the capital. And yes indeed, they were very much strained from a logistical standpoint, but they've managed to achieve their primary goal.
Here he is a few days later gleefully claiming that Russia had already killed 250k Ukrainians (a 50-100k jump from just a few days prior). Also gets bonus points for pretending Minsk II was an actual agreement with Russia that Ukraine single-handedly violated. Wildly false claims, that he probably will still stand behind.
Cal88 said:


You're married to an idiotic narrative that is ending up destroying Ukraine and killing a quarter million people in the process, when Ukraine could have been left unscathed by simply following the Minsk II Agreements that it signed several years ago.
Here he is days earlier making a wildly false claim about what would happen to Europe last winter. He will make excuses for why this was wrong and use false sources to claim that it actually was true or will be true but look at the certainty of what he said last year. All of his projections posts are like this. I suppose if you make enough projections, eventually some will come true but the vast majority are like the ones I've shared.
Cal88 said:


Europe is not going to get through this winter unscathed, the economic damage is going to create unprecedented social and political turmoil. The sanctions on Russia, which have not hurt that country one bit, are destroying European economies. There`s going to be a lot of blowback and a fundamental shift in domestic and foreign policy in a number of European governments in the next year or two.

Here he is from July 2022 lol.
Cal88 said:


The Russian army is a ground juggernaut that has been hitting its stride for the last couple of months. The Ukrainian army has put up a heroic resistance early on, but they are simply facing a stronger, deeper opponent who is waging this war on its own terms. The Ukrainians are already very thin at the front, with battalions being replenished by poorly equipped men with minimal training and most of all, little in terms of firepower volume on their side, and virtually no air support. This is not a good situation.

...

The Russians are going to grind it out all the way to the Dniepr, taking over nearly all of the eastern bank, and they will push across the southwestern bank cutting off Odessa. This is where they are likely to be by the next mud season, which starts in mid-October.

Another 30,000-50,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers, unless someone puts forward a political solution. That initiative is likely to come from western Europe, due to the enormous economic cost that the region is going to be facing. The problem is that the worst of it is going to hit this winter/spring, by then the Russians will have done their damage.
June 2022 lol. He predicted Russia would have almost half of Ukraine by the end of 2022. Since the date of that post, Russia has actually lost more ground than they've gained.
Cal88 said:


Ukraine has already lost 1/4 of its territory, and the Russians will take roughly 40-45% of present-day Ukraine, all the predominantly Russian-speaking regions, including Odessa and Kharkiv, basically historic Novorossiya along with parts of Malorussia (NE Ukraine). This area represents about 2/3 of Ukraine's GDP and wheat belt, and all of its coastline.

They will achieve this by the end of the year, continuing to grind away Ukrainian forces, which are currently depleting at a rate of about 1,500 men/day. Most of these poor souls are dying in one-sided artillery duels where Russian forces are mostly beyond their reach. The losses this coming month are going to snowball into a loss of morale and increased desertions and surrenders in the Ukrainian ranks. Already the situation has grown so dire that Ukraine is imposing mandatory conscription of all adult women under 60...

...

Once that line of defense is breached and the Russians are behind it, Chapman is Gone, they will have a clear run to Dnipro and the eastern heartland of Ukraine, their daily advances will be more pronounced (though they won't repeat their early tactical errors of overextending), and they will be able to shift their personnel and artillery to the Mikolayev front, the same way they moved their Mariupol troops up to the Donbass a month ago. They will take Mikolayev and cut off Odessa, and move north on Zaporizhia towards Dnipro.

Here he is from May 2022:
Cal88 said:

Agreed. Russia's main objective is to encircle the ~60k strong Ukrainian forces on the Donbass front, which I think they will achieve within the next 2-4 weeks. These forces are the main Ukrainian army body outside of the cities, without which Russia will have a free rein over the entire eastern bank of the Dniepr river.

So why would anyone listen to anything Cal88 has to say?

Wow, I see how you've spent your day yesterday. I was enjoying my day off yesterday and a bit busy at work today, but will take some time off later this week to set you straight on many fantastic claims like this gem here:

Quote:

Let's take Russia's Kinzhal hypersonic missiles. Early in the war, Putin88 claimed thy were going to be a gamechanger. They have been an unmitigated failure for Putin and Russia. The developers of the missile were arrested for its failure (that's what happens when you embarrass an emperor). They claim it was treason and that they were corruptly working with China, which may be true and a pretext - corruption is rampant as is selective prosecution.

Today, Russia launched 10 khinzals at civilian targets in Kharkiv and Kyiv. All were shot down by decades old US missile defense systems. They haven't used the khinzals in quite a while since they were so unsuccessful but today was the biggest launch they've had. And the biggest failure.

Zero understanding of the situation, 100% propaganda, like most of your takes on Ukraine.
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I thought it was in the rules that you couldn't start a thread using someone's name.
Those would get deleted.
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concordtom said:

I thought it was in the rules that you couldn't start a thread using someone's name.
Those would get deleted.


Beargreg and I are still negotiating my moderator perks. Until he agrees to my demands, there are no rules.
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