Charlottesville

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going4roses
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Thoughts?

Im speechless. What is next?
going4roses
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sycasey
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As posted in the other thread, seems like one of these guys might work at Top Dog in Berkeley.



Just in case you think it's only in the South that this stuff exists.
going4roses
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Why o why
Strykur
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I'm surprised it took so long for something like this to happen, seemed inevitable.
bearister
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going4roses;842860533 said:

Thoughts?

Im speechless. What is next?


When POTUS' message attracts the likes of the KKK, David Duke
and the Alt Right Movement, do you think maybe there is a cause for concern? I think the last time this happened in this country this high up the political food chain was George Corley Wallace, Jr. SAD!
BearDevil
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A tragedy in a historic college town. Really bizarre the Trump klan can't stop retweeting garbage from the KKK/Nazi cesspool. Orthodox Jew Jared Kushner can't be too stoked with their strange bedfellows.

Also weird that in the age of social media, these morons appear in public without their hoods. Even old school Klansmen and Bay Area anarchists know better. A Cold Stone manager in Turlock got fired for an unhinged racist Facebook rant on Election Night 2012.
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BearDevil;842860558 said:

A tragedy in a historic college town. Really bizarre the Trump klan can't stop retweeting garbage from the KKK/Nazi cesspool. Orthodox Jew Jared Kushner can't be too stoked with their strange bedfellows.

Also weird that in the age of social media, these morons appear in public without their hoods. Even old school Klansmen and Bay Area anarchists know better. A Cold Stone manager in Turlock got fired for an unhinged racist Facebook rant on Election Night 2012.


These clowns are emboldened by a president who gives them his tacit support. As shocking as it is to see them come out of the shadows and into the plain light of day, we should all not be so naive to believe that these cretins don't exist in large numbers. Cleary, they do.
sycasey
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NYCGOBEARS;842860562 said:

These clowns are emboldened by a president who gives them his tacit support.


There is no question.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/david-duke-charlottesville-rally-trump_us_598f3ca8e4b0909642974a10

Quote:

“This represents a turning point for the people of this country,” said Duke in video uploaded to Twitter by Indianapolis Star photojournalist Mykal McEldowney. “We are determined to take our country back. We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in, that’s why we voted for Donald Trump. Because he said he’s going to take our country back. That’s what we gotta do.”
GB54
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It's a violent country-a lot worse things happened in the civil rights movement. Lots of progress but still lurches into the dark side

Social media is at the core of a lot of this. Some 500 guys involved. In the old days they would have stewed in their own minds or the Top Dog guy would have scribbled something on the wall. Νow they are a "movement" and go across country. Also I never thought I'd say this about Southern cops, but bring back the fire hoses
sycasey
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As reported in another thread . . . the Top Dog guy is no longer with Top Dog.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?108005-Top-Dog-has-a-Job-Opening
sp4149
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Watching cable news this morning.

[COLOR="#B22222"]IN FIVE States GOP legislators have introduced legislation making it legal to run your car into protesters,[/COLOR] in some cases to legally kill a protester with your car.

Probably the most sickening commentary on this event I have seen; that some GOP lawmakers feel this type of behavior needs to be legally protected.

GB54;842860581 said:

It's a violent country-a lot worse things happened in the civil rights movement. Lots of progress but still lurches into the dark side

Social media is at the core of a lot of this. Some 500 guys involved. In the old days they would have stewed in their own minds or the Top Dog guy would have scribbled something on the wall. Νow they are a "movement" and go across country. Also I never thought I'd say this about Southern cops, but bring back the fire hoses


FWIW in response to crowd protests all over the country (many in response to Presidential tweets, AKA executive actions), GOP lawmakers in at least 18 states have introduced legislation to punish protesters more severely. The legislation to absolve responsibility for the driver of a car that strikes a protester is included in these proposals.
BearDevil
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NYCGOBEARS;842860562 said:

These clowns are emboldened by a president who gives them his tacit support. As shocking as it is to see them come out of the shadows and into the plain light of day, we should all not be so naive to believe that these cretins don't exist in large numbers. Cleary, they do.


Will be telling to see how Trump & Sessions deal with DOJ and FBI investigations into the terrorist POS.

Sports Illustrated (not exactly fake news) had an interesting recent article on Trump and golf. Trump won Bedminster by 40 votes; Romney won by 600 votes in 2012. Seems weird that all of Trump's adult kids (except for Marla Maples' kid) grew up in NYC.

The Top Dog guy and the killer aren't Southerners. One of Bannon's, Miller's, and Gorka's White House cronies, Mike Anton, is a Cal grad.
blungld
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Okay sane conservatives, time to step up and stop equivocating. You are either with neo-Nazism or against it. If you are supporting this adminsitration––making convoluted deflecting arguments that excuse the long long list of abhorrent actions––then you are an enabler. If you support any part or kernel of this man and the ideology of his ilk, you claim responsibility for the whole. All evidence is before you. You can not deny seeing the big picture and knowing where all of this is heading. You can make no claim of ignorance of the consequences of your support. So hold to your conservative beliefs, but step up and reject this monstrous un-American bastardization of conservativism. No more soft-language by you or anyone else. What we have witnessed is six months of evil--not a lesser of two evils, but a pure evil of its own accord.
BearNIt
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Trump's refusal to call out Putin, the alt right, white nationalist , and the clowns known for wearing pillow cases on their heads, says a lot about about the man and who he serves. We're in trouble as a country if we think that Trump is a president for all Americans. The Republicans that I have talked to are at a loss to explain Trump's refusal to to call out the alt right, white nationalist , and the clowns known for wearing pillow cases on their heads.
sycasey
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blungld;842860652 said:

Okay sane conservatives, time to step up and stop equivocating. You are either with neo-Nazism or against it. If you are supporting this adminsitrationmaking convoluted deflecting arguments that excuse the long long list of abhorrent actionsthen you are an enabler. If you support any part or kernel of this man and the ideology of his ilk, you claim responsibility for the whole. All evidence is before you. You can not deny seeing the big picture and knowing where all of this is heading. You can make no claim of ignorance of the consequences of your support. So hold to your conservative beliefs, but step up and reject this monstrous un-American bastardization of conservativism. No more soft-language by you or anyone else. What we have witnessed is six months of evil--not a lesser of two evils, but a pure evil of its own accord.


Some Republican Senators (even heavy conservatives like Ted Cruz and Orrin Hatch) had the stones to say so. It shouldn't be that hard.
blungld
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sycasey;842860695 said:

Some Republican Senators (even heavy conservatives like Ted Cruz and Orrin Hatch) had the stones to say so. It shouldn't be that hard.


So let's hear from the conservatives on this board too.

There should be total unity across party lines that this whole mess has gone too far. The man is not fit and he is a danger to us all. This is not a liberal witch hunt, this is an objective disaster for this country and the world. We need all Americans to see and speak truth and quit making this a game of political loyalty and ego. An end to the insanity now.
BearDevil
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Franklin Graham weighs in. He, Falwell, and Pat Robertson haven't served Christianity and the GOP well. Interesting argument about the timing of the statues. 1924 was 59 years after the end of the Civil War. Even adjusting for reconstruction, that's still 47 years later. Germany wasn't building Nazi monuments in 1992 or 2004.

https://m.facebook.com/FranklinGraham/posts/1610777732311735
GB54
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BearDevil;842860766 said:

Franklin Graham weighs in. He, Falwell, and Pat Robertson haven't served Christianity and the GOP well. Interesting argument about the timing of the statues. 1924 was 59 years after the end of the Civil War. Even adjusting for reconstruction, that's still 47 years later. Germany wasn't building Nazi monuments in 1992 or 2004.

https://m.facebook.com/FranklinGraham/posts/1610777732311735


Satan's behind it-beats Nazis.
Unit2Sucks
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BearNIt;842860674 said:

The Republicans that I have talked to are at a loss to explain Trump's refusal to to call out the alt right, white nationalist , and the clowns known for wearing pillow cases on their heads.


No mystery here, they are his most strident supporters. Many (most) of his actions can be viewed through the lens of "How does Donald think this will impact people who like me." He thinks Putin called him a genius (he didn't) so he won't speak out against Putin. There could be other reasons for that as well -for example, Trump also likes pissing off everyone who doesn't like him - or even more sinister reasons but I will wait for more evidence to come out on that.

The alt-right (which for people who don't recall is a term coined by Richard Spencer - this isn't something the #failing NYT came up with) is the group that is most firmly in Trump's corner. These nutjob white nationalists are a meaningful portion of the alt-right and have a lot of mind share with the group, even if most of the alt-right doesn't have the extreme views of the white supremacists and their adjacent groups.

So, bottom line, Trump isn't going to make any statements that abandons or meaningfully criticizes his fans. He won't necessarily help them with any policy choices (or anything else) but he's not going to come out and condemn them. He'll just dance around the issue, not unlike what the right accused Obama and others of doing with "radical islamic terrorism." I would really like to see the term "radical whitist terrorism" used to describe these various hate groups because there really is no other common theme uniting these various radicalized domestic terrorists.
Strykur
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Unit2Sucks;842860794 said:

So, bottom line, Trump isn't going to make any statements that abandons or meaningfully criticizes his fans. He won't necessarily help them with any policy choices (or anything else) but he's not going to come out and condemn them. He'll just dance around the issue, not unlike what the right accused Obama and others of doing with "radical islamic terrorism." I would really like to see the term "radical whitist terrorism" used to describe these various hate groups because there really is no other common theme uniting these various radicalized domestic terrorists.


He may not care at delivering a serious message anyway, he articulative capability is significantly lacking, his enunciation is pretty awful, and even if he were to attempt at saying something substantive, the media bias would filter its delivery severely. So why would he even want to condemn anything at this point, the media would attack him regardless.
going4roses
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https://twitter.com/MemawJohnston/status/896623168030474240/photo/1
bearister
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/robert-e-lee-opposed-confederate-monuments/
sp4149
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Before there were Nazis, Southern packages were delivered with a swastika.
It was used during the same period that most of the Confederate statues were erected.
Use by the Nazis came later. Eventually the company merged with Railway Express Agency and their logo disappeared.

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BearNIt
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This man some called Mr. President is DESPICABLE. That news conference was garbage and shocking. The only question left is how much damage he will do to The United States of America.
There is no supporting those idiots who support or worship the Nazis. Those idiots spit on the graves and in the faces of those men who fought and died in the service of their country during WWII. Republicans have a choice, support this president and go down with him as he destroys what is good in this country or stand up and be counted. Some are starting to speak up and be counted.
bearister
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sp4149;842861415 said:

Before there were Nazis, Southern packages were delivered with a swastika.
It was used during the same period that most of the Confederate statues were erected.
Use by the Nazis came later. Eventually the company merged with Railway Express Agency and their logo disappeared.

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"Most Confederate monuments were built in periods of racial conflict, such as when Jim Crow laws were introduced at the start of the 20th century or during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s.[9][1][10][12] New Confederate monuments continued to be proposed in recent years, and some have been built." Wikipedia article on Confederate Monuments
sp4149
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Watching one of those fake news networks that The Grump hates one of the NBC affiliates hosted by a Stanford grad had an interesting tidbit about a Fred Trump arrested during a confrontation between Native American Protestants (AKA the Klan) and Catholic New York police officers. Age and booking information appear to match The Grump's father.
The Grump denies the Klan association of course, however his actions give the information credence.

BearNIt;842861460 said:

This man some called Mr. President is DESPICABLE. That news conference was garbage and shocking. The only question left is how much damage he will do to The United States of America.
There is no supporting those idiots who support or worship the Nazis. Those idiots spit on the graves and in the faces of those men who fought and died in the service of their country during WWII. Republicans have a choice, support this president and go down with him as he destroys what is good in this country or stand up and be counted. Some are starting to speak up and be counted.
sycasey
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blungld;842860749 said:

So let's hear from the conservatives on this board too.


Based on the responses we've seen in these threads so far, the answer has been either silence or more equivocation. Liberal groups do bad things too!
bearister
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http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a57009/charlottesville-vice-documentary/
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embedded in the article..simple for Trump to understand too!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40954179
BearDevil
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Not surprising that most major cities are Dem controlled, but surprising that many mid-size Southern cities (Louisville, Columbia, SC, Birmingham, AL) are Dem too.

Alabama (poised to make Ted Cruz the second most despised person in the Senate after Judge Roy Moore) is suing Birmingham over thinking about removing a Civil War monument. Greensboro, NC converted the Woolworth's where they desegregated the lunch counter into a museum and part of the original lunch counter is in the Smithsonian. Guess Alabama wants to monetize the underserved Klan tourism market.

Saw Mississippi's Burning with a German friend. As we left the theatre, he said for once he was glad to be German.
going4roses
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BearDevil;842862135 said:



Saw Mississippi's Burning with a German friend. As we left the theatre, he said for once he was glad to be German.


Geez
BearDevil
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going4roses;842862313 said:

Geez


Worked in both the South and Germany. The only time I've ever seen large numbers of German flags were when Obama spoke in Berlin in 2008 and during the 2010 World Cup. You see some form of the confederate battle flag multiple times every day everywhere (major/mid-size cities, small towns) in the South.
BearDevil
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Saw an excellent, but chilling German film, 13 Minutes. It's about Georg Elser, who tried to blow up Hitler in 1939. He was tortured when the Nazis didn't accept his confession and executed as the Allies moved in on Dachau.

Laughable that anyone believes Tillerson didn't call Trump a fiing moron. Following his Puerto Rico fiasco, Trump explained what an island was, something most people understood pre-kindergarten. Pretty clear that Trump is clueless, but Cohn (lead donor on a Hillel chapter) and Mnuchin know all about the Holocaust. Stunned they didn't resign after Trump's Cville remarks.

Kellyanne, Pence, Huckabee, and Sessions are ideological purists, but no excuses for Cohn, Mnuchin, Tillerson, Mattis, Kelly, and McMaster continuing to enable Trump.
BearNIt
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Apparently Richard Spencer who was chased out of Charlotesville and 30 or so of his white nationalist buddies returned to Charlotesville for fear that they would be forgotten. This time they shouted, "The South will rise again" and "Russia is our friend." I'm just amazed that these glue sniffing darwinian rejects could actually remember where Charlotesville was and find their way to the park. When did so called patriotic Americans start siding with Russia against other Americans? I guess the FBI was too busy looking for Black Identity Extremist to notice this clown show. By the way, has anybody ever seen or met one of these Black Identity Extremist or are they like unicorns, just a figment of someone's imagination.

Is this what our country has become? Sigh!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/white-nationalists-return-to-charlottesville/ar-AAt2jR4?li=BBnb7Kz
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