Trump may be more popular than Democrats care to admit, but the majority of the population still disapproves of him. Typically about 40% approve of him, and 52% disapprove of him. The numbers have typically been this way (give or take 2 - 3 points) for his entire presidency. Face it, the majority of Americans disapprove of him and his work in office. He is taking a minority opinion and imposing it upon the majority of people. Since 1992, Republicans have won one popular vote for the presidency That is once in seven attempts.Golden One said:
Willie Brown has some good advice you many of you in his column in today's Chronicle.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/williesworld/article/Trump-is-more-popular-than-Dems-want-to-admit-12908579.php
I agree with you on #1 and #4, and partially on #5.concordtom said:
Golden,
I know you said elsewhere that you don't like trump's behavior but do agree with 70% of his policies.
Here's what I don't like:
1. His decorum is a terrible example for everyone in the country.
2. His team is full of a bunch of liars. They follow his lead.
3. Disregard for environmental measures.
4. His economic bills further expand the deficit, the accumulated debt, mortgaging our long term future as the preeminent reserve currency. I do not believe the projections that might say otherwise (see #2).
5. Everything he does, I believe, is motivated by self interest. A policy is made to either help his own business, a friend's business, or simply to garner praise for himself as some great man. There is nothing great about this man. He is uninspiring because he is actually a little child: selfish, insecure. I do not trust him with a 10 foot pole to tell the truth, and certainly not with the powers that the executive office grants him. I believe everything will unravel eventually.
6. The current economic upswing is paved on the back of temporary short term gains thru altered tax policy (repatriation, and a short term adjustment to expected tax bills) and increased expenditures (see my prior posts on GNP = C + I + G - Imports + Exports).
....for starters.
concordtom said:
6. The current economic upswing is paved on the back of temporary short term gains thru altered tax policy (repatriation, and a short term adjustment to expected tax bills) and increased expenditures (see my prior posts on GNP = C + I + G - Imports + Exports).
....for starters.
The subtext in your post and in others on this board is that Democrats don't have a good reason for being opposed to him. Not to put words in your mouth but you have suggested on these boards that those who are against him are opposed because of the FOX speaking points: sore losers, irrational, emotional, etc.Golden One said:
Willie Brown has some good advice you many of you in his column in today's Chronicle.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/williesworld/article/Trump-is-more-popular-than-Dems-want-to-admit-12908579.php
I agree with the aspirations you summarize in your three points. Unfortunately, we have not had a President that embodied them in at least 30 years.blungld said:The subtext in your post and in others on this board is that Democrats don't have a good reason for being opposed to him. Not to put words in your mouth but you have suggested on these boards that those who are against him are opposed because of the FOX speaking points: sore losers, irrational, emotional, etc.Golden One said:
Willie Brown has some good advice you many of you in his column in today's Chronicle.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/williesworld/article/Trump-is-more-popular-than-Dems-want-to-admit-12908579.php
My dislike for the man and his Presidency falls into three buckets. You may disagree, but I think you can understand why a person would have these opinions:
1) The WAY he won the election. Cultivating division, appealing to anger and prejudice, fueling outrage, and lying (not to say anything of potential manipulation of the outcome). This is nothing about being a "sore loser", this wanting a more elevated electorate and process for selecting the most powerful person in the world. I want great people running the world, not those who appeal to the worst parts of our psychology. It galls me that his tactics won, and now are being repeated. This is not a step forward in civilization.
2) The person that he is. As stated above, I want the President to be a person that embodies wisdom, intelligence, education, leadership, character, and values of our countries principles. I want to feel pride toward our President and the country we represent ourselves to be around the world. Trump makes me feel ashamed. And his tweets, policies, and public speaking cut against every attribute I listed above. Again, not sore loser or tribal loyalty, or anti-Republican; it is that THIS man and who he surrounds himself with and what he does violates everything dear to me.
3) The direction he moves the country. He is tearing down civility and liberties that will be tough to re-contruct. He moves us down the path of oligarchy, kleptocracy, and authoritarianism. He makes our country less friendly and hospitable. He makes enemies of our allies and makes the world a more dangerous place. And he sets precedence. I do not want to live in a country like Russia where organized crime runs everything in the background and the citizens live under a blanket of oppression, expected party loyalty, and the threat of strongmen violence. America should be the light to that darkness, and Trump has been operating in shadow his whole life.
I believe if that the two of us (you and me) shared a coffee ten years ago and you read this email, you would completely agree with what i wrote. That your description of what you wanted in a President and what you wanted America to be would align with what I am describing. It is only because "your guy" is now in power and the conservative reframes who he is and what words mean that my description would now be something to take issue with. I guarantee that if you were able to step outside yourself and the context of Liberal/Conservative, winning/losing, etc you too would be completely opposed to what is happening. I am not so politically activated because I am a sore loser or to line up with some Liberal agenda, I am genuinely afraid at the most personal level that we are rewarding evil and that our country is being destroyed...and that the next great war is more a possibility than ever. Those conclusions are completely justified by observing what is actually happening.
That's great to hear. So can you join with those on this board like me and in the public discourse to protect this investigation, find the truth, and restore order and our values! Defending Trump when he works against the things in my post excuses what he is doing, and makes a return to the values that we both share less possible.Golden One said:I agree with the aspirations you summarize in your three points. Unfortunately, we have not had a President that embodied them in at least 30 years.blungld said:The subtext in your post and in others on this board is that Democrats don't have a good reason for being opposed to him. Not to put words in your mouth but you have suggested on these boards that those who are against him are opposed because of the FOX speaking points: sore losers, irrational, emotional, etc.Golden One said:
Willie Brown has some good advice you many of you in his column in today's Chronicle.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/williesworld/article/Trump-is-more-popular-than-Dems-want-to-admit-12908579.php
My dislike for the man and his Presidency falls into three buckets. You may disagree, but I think you can understand why a person would have these opinions:
1) The WAY he won the election. Cultivating division, appealing to anger and prejudice, fueling outrage, and lying (not to say anything of potential manipulation of the outcome). This is nothing about being a "sore loser", this wanting a more elevated electorate and process for selecting the most powerful person in the world. I want great people running the world, not those who appeal to the worst parts of our psychology. It galls me that his tactics won, and now are being repeated. This is not a step forward in civilization.
2) The person that he is. As stated above, I want the President to be a person that embodies wisdom, intelligence, education, leadership, character, and values of our countries principles. I want to feel pride toward our President and the country we represent ourselves to be around the world. Trump makes me feel ashamed. And his tweets, policies, and public speaking cut against every attribute I listed above. Again, not sore loser or tribal loyalty, or anti-Republican; it is that THIS man and who he surrounds himself with and what he does violates everything dear to me.
3) The direction he moves the country. He is tearing down civility and liberties that will be tough to re-contruct. He moves us down the path of oligarchy, kleptocracy, and authoritarianism. He makes our country less friendly and hospitable. He makes enemies of our allies and makes the world a more dangerous place. And he sets precedence. I do not want to live in a country like Russia where organized crime runs everything in the background and the citizens live under a blanket of oppression, expected party loyalty, and the threat of strongmen violence. America should be the light to that darkness, and Trump has been operating in shadow his whole life.
I believe if that the two of us (you and me) shared a coffee ten years ago and you read this email, you would completely agree with what i wrote. That your description of what you wanted in a President and what you wanted America to be would align with what I am describing. It is only because "your guy" is now in power and the conservative reframes who he is and what words mean that my description would now be something to take issue with. I guarantee that if you were able to step outside yourself and the context of Liberal/Conservative, winning/losing, etc you too would be completely opposed to what is happening. I am not so politically activated because I am a sore loser or to line up with some Liberal agenda, I am genuinely afraid at the most personal level that we are rewarding evil and that our country is being destroyed...and that the next great war is more a possibility than ever. Those conclusions are completely justified by observing what is actually happening.
Many Dems in swing districts, like in mine, will mention Trump's name to great affect (mentioning Pelosi will mostly get you blank stares here in New Jersey, except for Fox News zombies who aren't voting Democratic anyway).Anarchistbear said:
Actually you can get a lot of mileage out of not being Trump given his approval ratings, typical losses in mid terms by the party in power, and large numbers of Repubs retiring. It gets you close to a majority.
But, Congressional races are local struggles-many Dems in swing districts won't mention Trump's name (or Pelosi) but will talk about policy like Willie suggests-health care, education, unions. Those in safe blue districts -.like Willies-.will talk impeachment to rile the base even though that's not likely to happen. At any rate Trump so dominates our politics that he will be the center of it all-in the media, anyway- who are mostly far removed from what is really happening.
