Toobin: "Abortion will be illegal in a significant part of the United States in 18 months -- there is just no doubt about that... Roe v. Wade is doomed, it is gone because Donald Trump won the election."
You realize Hillary Clinton had to win a primary by getting votes from Democrats, right?Anarchistbear said:
Why nominate a candidate your own party doesn't like let alone the other?
dajo9 said:She got more votes for President than any white man in the history of the countryAnarchistbear said:
F$ckin Hillary Clinton- worst Presidential candidate ever.
There were also the Russkies. Those motherfcckers and Dotard still might get caught.sycasey said:You realize Hillary Clinton had to win a primary by getting votes from Democrats, right?Anarchistbear said:
Why nominate a candidate your own party doesn't like let alone the other?
I don't think it's true that Democrats (as a group) disliked Hillary. I think you can make a good argument that non-Democrats (independents and conservatives) disliked her more than the usual candidate.
sycasey said:You realize Hillary Clinton had to win a primary by getting votes from Democrats, right?Anarchistbear said:
Why nominate a candidate your own party doesn't like let alone the other?
I don't think it's true that Democrats (as a group) disliked Hillary. I think you can make a good argument that non-Democrats (independents and conservatives) disliked her more than the usual candidate.
sycasey said:You realize Hillary Clinton had to win a primary by getting votes from Democrats, right?Anarchistbear said:
Why nominate a candidate your own party doesn't like let alone the other?
I don't think it's true that Democrats (as a group) disliked Hillary. I think you can make a good argument that non-Democrats (independents and conservatives) disliked her more than the usual candidate.
Let's not forget that the same people chastizing her for her use of personal emails were also using personal email (Comey and others at the FBI) or would shortly thereafter do so when they joined Trump's administration.sycasey said:She got slagged for using personal emails like it was some big major scandal,wifeisafurd said:
Whatever one may think about Clinton, she was slandered on several issues.
Not sure what you mean about "transparency." There were votes and they were counted.Anarchistbear said:sycasey said:You realize Hillary Clinton had to win a primary by getting votes from Democrats, right?Anarchistbear said:
Why nominate a candidate your own party doesn't like let alone the other?
I don't think it's true that Democrats (as a group) disliked Hillary. I think you can make a good argument that non-Democrats (independents and conservatives) disliked her more than the usual candidate.
We can argue about the transparency of that process. But even aside from that, if she had turned out the Democratic base of young people, minorities and working class whites that were part of the Obama coalition, she would have won.
bearister said:
As much as I hate to say this, all of the Clintons need to pass the baton and ride with due haste into the f@cking sunset.
Obama making himself a big public presence would maybe give the party some short-term juice but would be a long-term detriment. His personal popularity papers over the underlying problems. The party now needs to learn to walk on its own. Obama might have showed them some ways to win, but he can't do it for them.okaydo said:bearister said:
As much as I hate to say this, all of the Clintons need to pass the baton and ride with due haste into the f@cking sunset.
this is what I like about Obama.
Several liberal outlets have stupidly criticized him for not forcefully/publically speaking out against Trump and/or his policies.
What they fail to realize is that Trump is desperate for Obama to speak out. He wants to blame "Cheatin' Obama" for all his problems. Trump wants Obama to be part of his narrative. Obama, smartly, realizes that it's smart to let Trump be part of his own narrative.
If, for instance, Obama spoke out forcefully and passionately against the immigrant thing last week, Trump wouldn't have reversed course. He's not going to be seen as backing down to Obama!
Also, Obama's voice doesn't matter now*. Even in the final months of his presidency, nobody cared about his denunciations of Trump. (*Of course, Obama is going to campaign for dems...but he ain't getting into a feud with the president.)
Obama said before leaving office that he would step back and let new leaders emerge.
https://splinternews.com/obama-sucks-as-a-post-president-1826203067
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/barack-obamas-statement-on-child-separation-missed-the-moment.html
Come on Donald, quit being a ***** and just say it: "Obama Bin Laden"bearister said:
Why doesn't tRump just use the nicknames he really wants to use for Obama? Since we are on the doorstep of becoming a totalitarian state anyway, it would drive Cheeto's approval numbers up even further (perhaps 98% with Republicans).
bearister said:
One can only hope tRump's Roy Cohn Playbook works out as well for tRump as it ultimately worked out for Joe McCarthy and Cohn himself.
Republicans have been much better about circling the wagons and are still statists at their core. The biggest problem the democrats face is figuring out a way to get people marching in the same direction because republicans have no issue motivating to vote for people they hate if they are "better than the alternative."golden sloth said:
This thread has devolved into a microcosm for the differences between the dems and the republicans. When faced with problems and conflicts, the Republicans' loyalty to each other grows and they collectively blindly focus their outrage at the other side, while the Democrats' start fighting with each other and losing focus instead of directing the outrage to fix the structural advantages the conservatives have unconstitutionally manufactured for themselves.
okaydo said:bearister said:
One can only hope tRump's Roy Cohn Playbook works out as well for tRump as it ultimately worked out for Joe McCarthy and Cohn himself.
Somebody posted an excerpt recently about how somebody (Cohn) connected to McCarthy put out all these fake stories about communists, and the news media who followed McCarthy just uncritcally repeated it. Kind of like what the Associated Press does now.
bearister said:okaydo said:bearister said:
One can only hope tRump's Roy Cohn Playbook works out as well for tRump as it ultimately worked out for Joe McCarthy and Cohn himself.
Somebody posted an excerpt recently about how somebody (Cohn) connected to McCarthy put out all these fake stories about communists, and the news media who followed McCarthy just uncritcally repeated it. Kind of like what the Associated Press does now.
Roy Cohn on Senator Joe McCarthy:
" 'I was fully aware of McCarthy's faults, which there were neither few nor minor," Cohn recalled. 'He was impatient, overly aggressive, overly dramatic. He acted on impulse. He tended to sensationalize the evidence he had in order to draw attention to the rock bottom seriousness of the situation. He would neglect to do important homework and consequently would, on occasion, make challengeable statements.' The urge to overstate, to overdramatize, to dominate the news, could be costly, and so it proved to be for McCarthy. The Wisconsin senator, Cohn said, was essentially a salesman. 'He was selling the story of America's peril,' Cohn recalled. 'He knew that he could never hope to convince anybody by delivering a dry, general accounting office type of presentation. In consequence, he stepped up circumstances a notch or two' and in so doing he opened himself to attacks that proved fatal. He oversold, and the customers, the public, tired of the pitch, and the pitchman." Jon Meacham, The Soul of America, Ch. 6, pp.202-203
sycasey said:
Obama making himself a big public presence would maybe give the party some short-term juice but would be a long-term detriment. His personal popularity papers over the underlying problems. The party now needs to learn to walk on its own. Obama might have showed them some ways to win, but he can't do it for them.
golden sloth said:
Civility was tossed out of politics a decade ago stop pretending this is a competition of ideas and acknowledge it for the bar fight it is.
I liked him, but he was WAY too slow to recognize how scorched-earth the Republicans were going to be.Anarchistbear said:golden sloth said:
Civility was tossed out of politics a decade ago stop pretending this is a competition of ideas and acknowledge it for the bar fight it is.
Which is why Obama's reach across the aisle bulls$it was so stupid and destructive.
wise words. I's surprised Kennedy didn't at least stick it out past mid-terms. Having met the man, he is judicially conservative, but more moderate politically. I know he met with Turmp and provided suggestions on replacements. I wonder if there is not a gentlemen's agreement to pick somewhat more like Kennedy than Scalia, in exchange for the timing of the resignation.okaydo said:
It's amazing how consequential the 2016 election was.
Many of the left-leaning Trump haters who disdained Hillary (and either didn't vote or voted third-party) were probably too ignorant that a Trump win would give the Republicans everything....and that's why Republicans held their nose and voted for him.
Isn't an Ivy League law degree minimum criteria?okaydo said:
Our possible next Supreme Court Justice Patrick Wyrick will be the age that Anthony Kennedy currently is in the year 2063.
I wonder if he'll attend the 100th anniversary of the JFK assassination.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Wyrick