The Dossier

Sonofoski
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For those of you have never read it, here are the highlights.

1. Russia had been cultivating Trump as a political asset for many years.
2. Trump and Russia were exchanging intelligence with each other for eight years.
3. Russia had been supporting his candidacy for at least five years.
4. Russia had been feeding Trump valuable intelligence on Clinton for years.
5. Trump was favored by Russia with lucrative real estate deals.
6. Trump's lawyer met secretly in Prague with a Kremlin official.
7. Carter Page met secretly in Moscow with two Russian officials promising to lift Russian sanctions.
8. Page and Paul Manafort were intermediaries in the Trump-Russia conspiracy.
9. Trump agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine in exchange for hacked email operations.
10. Trump defiled a hotel bed in Moscow where he knew the Obamas had slept.
11. Russia was exploiting Trump's "personal obsessions and sexual perversions" for blackmail purposes.

This unverified data was used to get a FISA court approval to spy on the Trump campaign. The FBI never told the FISA court this was operational research paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

After almost two years, none of these allegations has been proven by Mr. Mueller. If you actually believe any of these eleven allegations, I have some valuable swampland in Florida to sell you.





mikecohen
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Sonofoski said:

For those of you have never read it, here are the highlights.

1. Russia had been cultivating Trump as a political asset for many years.
2. Trump and Russia were exchanging intelligence with each other for eight years.
3. Russia had been supporting his candidacy for at least five years.
4. Russia had been feeding Trump valuable intelligence on Clinton for years.
5. Trump was favored by Russia with lucrative real estate deals.
6. Trump's lawyer met secretly in Prague with a Kremlin official.
7. Carter Page met secretly in Moscow with two Russian officials promising to lift Russian sanctions.
8. Page and Paul Manafort were intermediaries in the Trump-Russia conspiracy.
9. Trump agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine in exchange for hacked email operations.
10. Trump defiled a hotel bed in Moscow where he knew the Obamas had slept.
11. Russia was exploiting Trump's "personal obsessions and sexual perversions" for blackmail purposes.

This unverified data was used to get a FISA court approval to spy on the Trump campaign. The FBI never told the FISA court this was operational research paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

After almost two years, none of these allegations has been proven by Mr. Mueller. If you actually believe any of these eleven allegations, I have some valuable swampland in Florida to sell you.


Many of the allegations have been verified. Many other proven facts were used to get the FISA court approval. The people who originally paid for this as opposition research were Republican opponents of Trump during the primaries.

Neither Sonofoski (is he Russian, or is the "i" ending Polish? - NB: That's a joke, Son) nor anyone else public has disproven any of these allegations, or knows the degree to which Mueller has proven or disproven them.

It is public knowledge that, after Trump's bankruptcies, no Western lenders would lend to him; and that much of Trump's income thereafter came from Russians (as stated publicly by Don Jr.), for example, buying up space in his buildings, and, in one notorious case, a known Oligarch (who needed to launder money because he was going through a messy divorce) buying a White Elephant mansion in Florida from Trump, shortly after Trump bought it (for substantially over market, since it was a White Elephant, because nobody ever occupied it (either before or since), paying Trump double (by tens of millions) what Trump had paid for it; and that Oligarch's plane was spotted numerous times at various out-of-the-way airports at the same time as Trump's plane was at the same airports, during the campaign.

Does Sonofoski know why, out of the blue, the Republican Platform was changed, with Manafort's involvement, to advocate lessening sanctions on Russia stemming from Putin's military annexation of Crimea? - with no particular justification for such a change articulated.

After Cohen publicly denied being in Prague during the alleged time, it was proven he was actually there during that time.

Does Sonofoski know why, after firing Comey, he entertained the Russian Foreign Minister and Ambassador to the U.S., alone in the Oval office, refusing to tell anyone the contents of their conversation - only to have a readout of that conversation provided by the Russians show that, during that conversation, Trump revealed classified information to them (which, in addition to compromising Israeli Intelligence as well, appears may have led to the deaths of various Western agents)?

It does not appear to be disputed that the current Secretary of Commerce was previously on the Board of a CYPRUS Bank which is notorious for laundering money of both Russian Oligarchs and Russian Mafiosi.

Does Sonofoski believe it to be pure coincidence that the very day Trump publically called for Russia to get Clinton emails (which nobody has any evidence meant anything either illegal or compromising), the Russians have been proven to instituted what wound up being the hacking of the DNC emails?; and that, Trump's prediction of something like the information coming therefrom was followed closely by Wikileaks' revealing the contents thereof?

Just a few of the known facts.
bearister
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/08/donald-trump-russia-investigation-key-questions-latest-news-collusion-timeline?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


https://billmoyers.com/story/heres-whats-new-trump-russia-timeline/

I am willing to compare and contrast Christopher Steele's bona fides to those of anyone in tRumpland.
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Send my credentials to the House of Detention
I got some friends inside
mikecohen
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Hoping to hear back from sonofoski
BearChemist
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Dossier and FISA? Do you live on an island with internet delayed for three plus months?
B.A. Bearacus
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Sonofoski said:

For those of you have never read it, here are the highlights.

1. Russia had been cultivating Trump as a political asset for many years.
2. Trump and Russia were exchanging intelligence with each other for eight years.
3. Russia had been supporting his candidacy for at least five years.
4. Russia had been feeding Trump valuable intelligence on Clinton for years.
5. Trump was favored by Russia with lucrative real estate deals.
6. Trump's lawyer met secretly in Prague with a Kremlin official.
7. Carter Page met secretly in Moscow with two Russian officials promising to lift Russian sanctions.
8. Page and Paul Manafort were intermediaries in the Trump-Russia conspiracy.
9. Trump agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine in exchange for hacked email operations.
10. Trump defiled a hotel bed in Moscow where he knew the Obamas had slept.
11. Russia was exploiting Trump's "personal obsessions and sexual perversions" for blackmail purposes.

This unverified data was used to get a FISA court approval to spy on the Trump campaign. The FBI never told the FISA court this was operational research paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

After almost two years, none of these allegations has been proven by Mr. Mueller. If you actually believe any of these eleven allegations, I have some valuable swampland in Florida to sell you.


Sounds like these 11 items are pulled word-for-word from The Russia Hoax: The Illicit Scheme to Clear Hillary Clinton and Frame Donald Trump

Written by this Fox guy:


So you're recommending this book to us?
golden sloth
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Don't forget George Papadapolous (a Trump staffer) getting drunk one night and telling the Australian ambassador the Trump campaign was meeting with the Russians to obtain material to help him win the election. You know, the actual reason the FBI started their investigation.
Another Bear
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I'm guessing as Bob Mueller cleans house, more of the Russkie stuff will come out. But here's the reason why it's taking so long...

Democrats Want 'Impenetrable' Case Against Trump Before Impeachment

See it takes time to round up the criminals, colrobertate facts and tighten the screws. Otherwise, here's a running count of convictions, indictments and guilty pleads:


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The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller's probe

1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Michael Flynn, Trump's former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.


3) Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, and false statements all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He's pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort's longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller's team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a "Russian troll farm," and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency's employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.

23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who's currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort's pending case this year.

24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia's military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats' emails in 2016.


sycasey
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BearChemist said:

Dossier and FISA? Do you live on an island with internet delayed for three plus months?
Give him a break, he needs to wait for a Fox News personality to write a new book before he can provide updated talking points.
Unit2Sucks
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I'm not aware of a single claim that has conclusively debunked either. Someone should tell Trey Gowdy that this is really an anti-Clinton dossier and have the republicans actually investigate the claims.
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