If you support Trump, you have offered your soul to be consumed.

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concordtom
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James Comey: How Trump Co-opts Leaders Like Bill Barr
Accomplished people lacking inner strength can't resist the compromises necessary to survive this president.
By James Comey
Mr. Comey is the former F.B.I. director.
* May 1, 2019


People have been asking me hard questions. What happened to the leaders in the Trump administration, especially the attorney general, Bill Barr, who I have said was due the benefit of the doubt?

How could Mr. Barr, a bright and accomplished lawyer, start channeling the president in using words like "no collusion" and F.B.I. "spying"? And downplaying acts of obstruction of justice as products of the president's being "frustrated and angry," something he would never say to justify the thousands of crimes prosecuted every day that are the product of frustration and anger?

How could he write and say things about the report by Robert Mueller, the special counsel, that were apparently so misleading that they prompted written protest from the special counsel himself?
How could Mr. Barr go before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday and downplay President Trump's attempt to fire Mr. Mueller before he completed his work?

And how could Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, after the release of Mr. Mueller's report that detailed Mr. Trump's determined efforts to obstruct justice, give a speech quoting the president on the importance of the rule of law? Or on resigning, thank a president who relentlessly attacked both him and the Department of Justice he led for "the courtesy and humor you often display in our personal conversations"?

What happened to these people?

I don't know for sure. People are complicated, so the answer is most likely complicated. But I have some idea from four months of working close to Mr. Trump and many more months of watching him shape others.

Amoral leaders have a way of revealing the character of those around them. Sometimes what they reveal is inspiring. For example, James Mattis, the former secretary of defense, resigned over principle, a concept so alien to Mr. Trump that it took days for the president to realize what had happened, before he could start lying about the man.

But more often, proximity to an amoral leader reveals something depressing. I think that's at least part of what we've seen with Bill Barr and Rod Rosenstein. Accomplished people lacking inner strength can't resist the compromises necessary to survive Mr. Trump and that adds up to something they will never recover from. It takes character like Mr. Mattis's to avoid the damage, because Mr. Trump eats your soul in small bites.

It starts with your sitting silent while he lies, both in public and private, making you complicit by your silence. In meetings with him, his assertions about what "everyone thinks" and what is "obviously true" wash over you, unchallenged, as they did at our private dinner on Jan. 27, 2017, because he's the president and he rarely stops talking. As a result, Mr. Trump pulls all of those present into a silent circle of assent.

Speaking rapid-fire with no spot for others to jump into the conversation, Mr. Trump makes everyone a co-conspirator to his preferred set of facts, or delusions. I have felt it this president building with his words a web of alternative reality and busily wrapping it around all of us in the room.

I must have agreed that he had the largest inauguration crowd in history because I didn't challenge that. Everyone must agree that he has been treated very unfairly. The web building never stops.

From the private circle of assent, it moves to public displays of personal fealty at places like cabinet meetings. While the entire world is watching, you do what everyone else around the table does you talk about how amazing the leader is and what an honor it is to be associated with him.

Sure, you notice that Mr. Mattis never actually praises the president, always speaking instead of the honor of representing the men and women of our military. But he's a special case, right? Former Marine general and all. No way the rest of us could get away with that. So you praise, while the world watches, and the web gets tighter.

Next comes Mr. Trump attacking institutions and values you hold dear things you have always said must be protected and which you criticized past leaders for not supporting strongly enough. Yet you are silent. Because, after all, what are you supposed to say? He's the president of the United States.

You feel this happening. It bothers you, at least to some extent. But his outrageous conduct convinces you that you simply must stay, to preserve and protect the people and institutions and values you hold dear. Along with Republican members of Congress, you tell yourself you are too important for this nation to lose, especially now.

You can't say this out loud maybe not even to your family but in a time of emergency, with the nation led by a deeply unethical person, this will be your contribution, your personal sacrifice for America. You are smarter than Donald Trump, and you are playing a long game for your country, so you can pull it off where lesser leaders have failed and gotten fired by tweet.

Of course, to stay, you must be seen as on his team, so you make further compromises. You use his language, praise his leadership, tout his commitment to values.

And then you are lost. He has eaten your soul.







kelly09
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concordtom said:


James Comey: How Trump Co-opts Leaders Like Bill Barr
Accomplished people lacking inner strength can't resist the compromises necessary to survive this president.
By James Comey
Mr. Comey is the former F.B.I. director.
* May 1, 2019


People have been asking me hard questions. What happened to the leaders in the Trump administration, especially the attorney general, Bill Barr, who I have said was due the benefit of the doubt?

How could Mr. Barr, a bright and accomplished lawyer, start channeling the president in using words like "no collusion" and F.B.I. "spying"? And downplaying acts of obstruction of justice as products of the president's being "frustrated and angry," something he would never say to justify the thousands of crimes prosecuted every day that are the product of frustration and anger?

How could he write and say things about the report by Robert Mueller, the special counsel, that were apparently so misleading that they prompted written protest from the special counsel himself?
How could Mr. Barr go before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday and downplay President Trump's attempt to fire Mr. Mueller before he completed his work?

And how could Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, after the release of Mr. Mueller's report that detailed Mr. Trump's determined efforts to obstruct justice, give a speech quoting the president on the importance of the rule of law? Or on resigning, thank a president who relentlessly attacked both him and the Department of Justice he led for "the courtesy and humor you often display in our personal conversations"?

What happened to these people?

I don't know for sure. People are complicated, so the answer is most likely complicated. But I have some idea from four months of working close to Mr. Trump and many more months of watching him shape others.

Amoral leaders have a way of revealing the character of those around them. Sometimes what they reveal is inspiring. For example, James Mattis, the former secretary of defense, resigned over principle, a concept so alien to Mr. Trump that it took days for the president to realize what had happened, before he could start lying about the man.

But more often, proximity to an amoral leader reveals something depressing. I think that's at least part of what we've seen with Bill Barr and Rod Rosenstein. Accomplished people lacking inner strength can't resist the compromises necessary to survive Mr. Trump and that adds up to something they will never recover from. It takes character like Mr. Mattis's to avoid the damage, because Mr. Trump eats your soul in small bites.

It starts with your sitting silent while he lies, both in public and private, making you complicit by your silence. In meetings with him, his assertions about what "everyone thinks" and what is "obviously true" wash over you, unchallenged, as they did at our private dinner on Jan. 27, 2017, because he's the president and he rarely stops talking. As a result, Mr. Trump pulls all of those present into a silent circle of assent.

Speaking rapid-fire with no spot for others to jump into the conversation, Mr. Trump makes everyone a co-conspirator to his preferred set of facts, or delusions. I have felt it this president building with his words a web of alternative reality and busily wrapping it around all of us in the room.

I must have agreed that he had the largest inauguration crowd in history because I didn't challenge that. Everyone must agree that he has been treated very unfairly. The web building never stops.

From the private circle of assent, it moves to public displays of personal fealty at places like cabinet meetings. While the entire world is watching, you do what everyone else around the table does you talk about how amazing the leader is and what an honor it is to be associated with him.

Sure, you notice that Mr. Mattis never actually praises the president, always speaking instead of the honor of representing the men and women of our military. But he's a special case, right? Former Marine general and all. No way the rest of us could get away with that. So you praise, while the world watches, and the web gets tighter.

Next comes Mr. Trump attacking institutions and values you hold dear things you have always said must be protected and which you criticized past leaders for not supporting strongly enough. Yet you are silent. Because, after all, what are you supposed to say? He's the president of the United States.

You feel this happening. It bothers you, at least to some extent. But his outrageous conduct convinces you that you simply must stay, to preserve and protect the people and institutions and values you hold dear. Along with Republican members of Congress, you tell yourself you are too important for this nation to lose, especially now.

You can't say this out loud maybe not even to your family but in a time of emergency, with the nation led by a deeply unethical person, this will be your contribution, your personal sacrifice for America. You are smarter than Donald Trump, and you are playing a long game for your country, so you can pull it off where lesser leaders have failed and gotten fired by tweet.

Of course, to stay, you must be seen as on his team, so you make further compromises. You use his language, praise his leadership, tout his commitment to values.

And then you are lost. He has eaten your soul.








You are whacked!
kelly09
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concordtom
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kelly09 said:

You are whacked!
If you wanted to make it personal, please pick one of my comments to respond to.
Here I was merely copying and pasting Comey's opinion piece printed in the NyTimes.

Having said that, your criticism of me doesn't injure me, because your soul has already begun to rot from the inside out (see: Comey, James).

concordtom
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kelly09 said:


Thank you for pointing out someone who speaks truth!



That was an awesome speech.
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bearister
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concordtom said:









That is a missed opportunity to display what the Daily Mail affectionately refers to as "sideb@@b"...and arguably "underb@@b" too.
Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection
Send my credentials to the House of Detention
I got some friends inside
Sonofoski
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concordtom said:

kelly09 said:


Thank you for pointing out someone who speaks truth!



That was an awesome speech.


That was an awesome lie by a total horses a$$.
concordtom
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Speaking of horses!
https://vimeo.com/315598003
Anarchistbear
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What a sanctimonious, useless s$it is Comey. Barr- the guy who was handing out pardons for the Iran- Contra criminals suddenly has been corrupted. And Comey the guy who tilted the 2016 election to Trump is supposed to be virtuous and incorruptible .
concordtom
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Hey Republicans.
Who do you want to be?

I know I have decided.

Cal88
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It's not like GWB was any better than Trump, in fact W did a lot more damage in his first term than Trump will.
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Cal88 said:

It's not like GWB was any better than Trump, in fact W did a lot more damage in his first term than Trump will.
No.

The damage Trump is doing to our institutions that make our democracy work is unlike anything this country has experienced since the Civil War. These institutions are what make our democracy different from Russia's "democracy".

GWB was a buffoon who lied us into a war and whose supply side economics gutted the economy of the country. These are bad (and Trump is working on the same template for the economy and I'm sure his war will come) but he did not attack our democratic institutions (I mean, he did do a few things in this vein but when they were uncovered he did not interfere with the investigations).
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concordtom
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Cal88 said:

It's not like GWB was any better than Trump, in fact W did a lot more damage in his first term than Trump will.
Circumstances.
War:
If the trade center were taken out during Trump (knock on wood) what do you think he'd do?

And Economics:
Bush increased the deficit after taking over a Clinton surplus. But he had the March 2000 dot com peak and then Sept 2001 fiasco/war to contend with.
Look at the chart, and you'll see that Trump is doing worse on the debt while having no war and no market peak.
In my opinion, he's going to inflate and then pop he bubble, which will end horribly.

Trump scares me 1000x more than Bush.
B.A. Bearacus
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Cal88 said:

It's not like GWB was any better than Trump, in fact W did a lot more damage in his first term than Trump will.
Who is the only president in US history that any responsible BI parent or grandparent would NOT trust to teach that child lessons in US Government or Civics?

Answer: the illiterate one.
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