So... the US and Iran - People Concerned or a Nothingburger?

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U.S. commercial ships including oil tankers sailing through key Middle East waterways could be targeted by Iran in one of the threats to U.S. interests posed by Tehran, the U.S. Maritime Administration said in an advisory.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-shipping/u-s-warns-merchant-ships-of-possible-iranian-attacks-in-middle-east-idUSKCN1SG1MX

Are people genuinely concerned, or another pointless media conflict Trump creates that really is a nothingburger? Both are scary, but for different reasons.
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golden sloth said:


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U.S. commercial ships including oil tankers sailing through key Middle East waterways could be targeted by Iran in one of the threats to U.S. interests posed by Tehran, the U.S. Maritime Administration said in an advisory.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-shipping/u-s-warns-merchant-ships-of-possible-iranian-attacks-in-middle-east-idUSKCN1SG1MX

Are people genuinely concerned, or another pointless media conflict Trump creates that really is a nothingburger? Both are scary, but for different reasons.
His m.o. is that in a few months he will say he successfully avoided war with Iran and we should all be grateful even though nothing has changed
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I don't know what the current hubbub is about, but I don't think it's anything other than trump making noise.
He needs to shift the topic from mueller to fear of outsiders again.

If I'm Iran, I'm thinking "this guy is a f---ing idiot, can't wait for him to be voted out so we can deal with someone else."
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concordtom said:


If I'm Iran, I'm thinking "this guy is a f---ing idiot, can't wait for him to be voted out so we can deal with someone else."
That makes sense. I'm American and it's what I'm thinking.
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Maybe in 2020, we'll have Russian ads supporting Trump on Facebook and ads from 100 or so other nations supporting the Democrat candidate.
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Lol Oregon.
All of Western Europe! Plus Latin America.
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I agree Trump tends to make noise as cover and as part of chaos theory...converse to control freaks, chaos freaks like disorder around them, because it's gives them control but by disruption.

That said, the guy seems genuinely unstable and if he is a Russkie tool, he can't be trusted.

The only good thing I can say about the Trump mess is that some of the GOP staffers have hid stuff from Trump, lied to him and generally moved around him to prevent him from reacting to things in a way that can't be reversed. His record of doing nothing is still there. Look at North Korea...he got played.

The pisser here is Obama finally gets an agreement with Iran and Dingbat Donnie craps on it...just because, or his Nazi pal Bannon said to.
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Totally agree. This government should leave Iran alone.
Start Slowly and taper off
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This is a good article for a different perspective:

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/05/11/kirk-trump-power-iran-venezuela/
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oski003 said:

This is a good article for a different perspective:

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/05/11/kirk-trump-power-iran-venezuela/


I don't read the platform of the alt right
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oski003
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dajo9 said:

oski003 said:

This is a good article for a different perspective:

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/05/11/kirk-trump-power-iran-venezuela/


I don't read the platform of the alt right


I'm Dajo. I need to filter my sources to only those whom I agree with. Not only will I do that, I will let you know about it! Woot. I am an expert on what my sources tell me.
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oski003 said:

This is a good article for a different perspective:

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/05/11/kirk-trump-power-iran-venezuela/


https://www.politifact.com/personalities/breitbart/

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/breitbart/

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/breitbart-fake-news-alex-marlow/
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oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

oski003 said:

This is a good article for a different perspective:

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/05/11/kirk-trump-power-iran-venezuela/


I don't read the platform of the alt right


I'm Dajo. I need to filter my sources to only those whom I agree with. Not only will I do that, I will let you know about it! Woot. I am an expert on what my sources tell me.
Reads Breitbart, thinks he's informed

WAKE UP SHEEPLE INFOWARS TOLD ME SOMETHING

Can't get gullibler than that

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oski003
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There are at least a dozen sources, ny times, wapo, cnn, la times, wsj, bi, etc... that I read more articles from than Breitbart. I choose to stay informed instead of being tribal and only listening to those who support my tribes views.
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oski003 said:

There are at least a dozen sources, ny times, wapo, cnn, la times, wsj, bi, etc... that I read more articles from than Breitbart. I choose to stay informed instead of being tribal and only listening to those who support my tribes views.
Translation: you don't like what legitimate sources of information tell you, so you read crap sites targeting partisan mushbrains so you can say that you're "well-rounded" and convince yourself that you know things that others don't

Tribes. Cool term du jour. I guess virtue signaling had its 15 minutes so we're on to the next one
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oski003 said:

This is a good article for a different perspective:

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/05/11/kirk-trump-power-iran-venezuela/


Too bad it's fiction. This author is attributing things to Trump as if he consciously and methodically made the decisions responsible for this course of action. The current "results" are a reflection of Trump's inability to generate outcomes he wants and his staff's reluctance to follow through on his demands.

If you think this article is accurately describing Trump's command of foreign policy, then you should have a pretty good sense of what comes next. So please do let us know how Trump will use his soft power to drive to a positive outcome in any of these areas of international conflict.
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Unit2Sucks said:

.... So please do let us know how Trump will use his soft power to drive to a positive outcome in any of these areas of international conflict.


Soft mushroom is more like it.




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Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

This is a good article for a different perspective:

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/05/11/kirk-trump-power-iran-venezuela/


Too bad it's fiction. This author is attributing things to Trump as if he consciously and methodically made the decisions responsible for this course of action. The current "results" are a reflection of Trump's inability to generate outcomes he wants and his staff's reluctance to follow through on his demands.

If you think this article is accurately describing Trump's command of foreign policy, then you should have a pretty good sense of what comes next. So please do let us know how Trump will use his soft power to drive to a positive outcome in any of these areas of international conflict.


Thank you for taking a few minutes to read the article. I respect that.
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10 Journalism Brands Where You Find Real Facts Rather Than Alternative Facts

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oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

oski003 said:

This is a good article for a different perspective:

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/05/11/kirk-trump-power-iran-venezuela/


I don't read the platform of the alt right


I'm Dajo. I need to filter my sources to only those whom I agree with. Not only will I do that, I will let you know about it! Woot. I am an expert on what my sources tell me.


I'm a politics junkie. I've read tons of conservative material. I draw the line at racist publications and people who regularly lie (which is a different thing than a periodic mistake).
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White House Reviews Military Plans Against Iran, in Echoes of Iraq War

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/world/middleeast/us-military-plans-iran.html
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Steve Bannon Wants To Start World War III

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His 2009 film, Generation Zero, shows a hellishly bleak vision of our past, present, and future, driven by a magical belief in historical determinism.
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The final play from the Wing Nut Playbook. After distraction, attacking, lying...you cap it off with a big finale, war.

It Sure Looks Like the Trump Administration Is Preparing for War With Iran

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Tension has been building for months, and now a plan has been developed to send 120,000 troops to the Middle East
golden sloth
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Another Bear said:

The final play from the Wing Nut Playbook. After distraction, attacking, lying...you cap it off with a big finale, war.

It Sure Looks Like the Trump Administration Is Preparing for War With Iran

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Tension has been building for months, and now a plan has been developed to send 120,000 troops to the Middle East

I don't think Trump wants war with Iran, I don't think Americans want another foreign war, I don't think his America First base will tolerate another foreign war, and I think unless the war goes amazingly well, war may actually turn the Senate if favor of the Dems.

That said, I do think Trump would like to posture as the tough guy taking on foreign adversaries, and he benefits politically from brinksmanship with his base. The wild card is Bolton, who has apparently been gunning for a war with Iran for awhile.
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golden sloth said:

Another Bear said:

The final play from the Wing Nut Playbook. After distraction, attacking, lying...you cap it off with a big finale, war.

It Sure Looks Like the Trump Administration Is Preparing for War With Iran

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Tension has been building for months, and now a plan has been developed to send 120,000 troops to the Middle East

I don't think Trump wants war with Iran, I don't think Americans want another foreign war, I don't think his America First base will tolerate another foreign war, and I think unless the war goes amazingly well, war may actually turn the Senate if favor of the Dems.

That said, I do think Trump would like to posture as the tough guy taking on foreign adversaries, and he benefits politically from brinksmanship with his base. The wild card is Bolton, who has apparently been gunning for a war with Iran for awhile.
The problem with Trump is his "ideology" is himself, his ego and self-preservation and he's unstable, not very smart and listens to idiots (Miller, Bannon and Bolton).

The run up could also be a play to prop up his numbers and a tough guy act, but he could want more like how Dubya donned a flight suit and did the "mission accomplished" thingie.

Unfortunately we don't know if this is saber rattling or the start of an inane angle towards war. War seems crazy right...but we're talking Trump and his advisors are unhinged. Bannon in particular is full tin foil hat start a war motherf*cker. Bolton has a major war boner. If these jackasses are willing to separate children from parents, I don't think war is off the table.

In other words, don't be surprised if Trump and company go to war. War makes no sense but these guys don't either and they're frankly quite stupid. f

And there's stuff like this...




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