Unit2Sucks said:
bearlyamazing said:
Trump had virtually no foreign policy experience as part of his team when he was running for president so he reached as best he could when being pressed on who his policy advisors were early in the campaign. Neither Carter Page or George Papadopoulos had much relevant experience or involvement in the campaign but once they were named by Trump publicly, if they could get FISA warrants on either, they could monitor all electronic communications either had starting 18 months prior, as well as all the electronic communications starting 18 months prior of all they talked to as well as all the electronic communications starting 18 months prior of all the people those people spoke to.
Page would not have been named without at least someone in Trump's orbit speaking with him and that's all it took to be able to monitor virtually anyone in his campaign, including Trump.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/04/12/pages-role-trump-campaign-foreign-policy-advisory-committee-mystery/100377630/
Once again you have failed to provide any relevant evidence. Other than contradicting Trump's campaign officials and baseless conjecture, you have provided nothing of value.
Let me provide some actual relevant facts. The original Carter Page FISA warrant was submitted in October 2016, just a few weeks before the election. No one can credibly claim that the FBI was attempting to damage Trump's election chances by surveilling after the election someone who by all accounts (other than bearlyamazing's) had no relationship with the Trump campaign itself, other than a one time reference in a made up committee.
There has been no credible evidence that anything came of the surveillance. No one on Trump's campaign was harmed by the issuance of the warrant and Trump himself was not impacted in any way.
There was a candidate whose candidacy was negatively impacted by the FBI - you may remember her from Jim Comey's unnecessary July press conference and October surprise. In fact, right around the time Comey was signing the FISA application he was announcing yet again that there was additional Clinton material that was being reviewed.
So please spare us the emotional handwringing over Carter Page. FBI misconduct did have an impact on the election and it helped elect Donald Trump. Ignoring that to focus on an immaterial overreach is both foolish and pointless.
Are you kidding me with this sorry spin? The Strzok-Lisa Page texts laid out the FBI's desperation to derail the Trump campaign with the FISA spying. And when that failed and he got elected, they shifted into hyperdrive to get him removed from office. The amount of official documentation on all of this and who the players were and what they did is overwhelming. Are you living in a bunker? The IG Report even documented how FBI lawer Kevin Clinesmith changed the email from the CIA saying he was an asset to denying that he was an asset and passed it on to the FISA court. The left and their willing accomplices in the media tried to pass him off as some rougue, low-level lawyer. Complete BS. He was a very high-level FBI attorney and he certainly wasn't acting alone. Even if he was, it would've been very easy to catch and fix. Things like that don't fall through the cracks.
The only reason they had to turn to the FISA process is because their thousands of illegal NSA database queries under the Obama administration were discovered by Admiral Rogers and ground to a halt so they shifted to the FISA strategy instead.
How was Trump hurt? Are you even serious with that question? He got tarred and feathered with every illegal leak that came out after the spying started. For one, the FBI called General Flynn in for an "informal chat." When he asked if he needed a lawyer, they said, no, it's just an informal discussion. They then grilled him on his contact with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. After the interview, the two FBI agents who interviewed him said they believed he told the truth. The FBI then compared the timelines for when he contacted them with the phone-monitored conversations they were able to conduct because of the 2-hop rule and busted him for lying about the contact dates because they already knew what day they spoke and what they talked about. What they talked about was normal transition period business, in this case, not going overboard in retaliating for Obama's last-minute penalties against Russia for spying in the election, which was something he totally denied was occurring when he thought Trump would lose. He didn't want Trump to have any Russian interference excuse, which is hilarious because that's exactly what Hillary and the left turned around and used. He said no credible person could ever claim they're even capable of impacting an election in any meaningful way. Oops.