He may or may not be right, but Michael Baden is for sale. He worked for the defense in the OJ case, amongst other things. Now, he works for Epstein's brother.
oski003 said:
He may or may not be right, but Michael Baden is for sale. He worked for the defense in the OJ case, amongst other things. Now, he works for Epstein's brother.
LOL ABC News, Disney, ESPN...sycasey said:
LOL, Project Veritas.
BearForce2 said:
well, well, well
I had to look up what that even means....and I still don't get the reference. So, I'll just go withgoing4roses said:
Not him... meritorious Manumission displayed at its finest
g4r,going4roses said:
Here is an analysis
I've got to ask you about the ***** mightierbearup said:
When did this become Jeopardy?
*You may have me confused with BearForce2.Professor Turgeson Bear said:I've got to ask you about the ***** mightierbearup said:
When did this become Jeopardy?
GB4L, I could not disagree with you more here.GBear4Life said:
Am I the only one who can plainly observe Epstein's escapades has been greatly manipulated and exaggerated by media and society?
I watched the Netflix special recently, which was an advocacy piece for the 'victims', and dug deeper into the facts, and there was no rape or nonconsensual activity by the witness' own admissions, only rape by statute (by law, minors can't consent to sexual contact). I even laughed out loud when one of the women was crying about how traumatizing it was and then proceeded to talk about how she recruited "40-60" girls in exchange for 'referral fees' from Epstein.
Buzz words like "pedophilia" and "sex trafficking" and "child porn" (I guess having sexual pictures of a teenager is now synonymous with "child porn")? The guy was a John and liked young girls. He offered them money for sex. And many of his "victims" were explicitly prostitutes consenting to eating d**k for money, while others consented to sexual acts for life changing personal and professional opportunities, experiences, and out of gratitude (I puked in my mouth just now).
When he was arrested and read the headlines and snippets from media (I didn't know who he was), I thought he was actually having sex with prepubescent girls and actually trafficking girls to his house against their will for Eyes Wide Shut type deranged sex parties with his elitist friends.
It's an unpopular perspective for sure, but I have a lot of conviction I"m seeing this one more clearly than others.calbear93 said:GB4L, I could not disagree with you more here.GBear4Life said:
Am I the only one who can plainly observe Epstein's escapades has been greatly manipulated and exaggerated by media and society?
I watched the Netflix special recently, which was an advocacy piece for the 'victims', and dug deeper into the facts, and there was no rape or nonconsensual activity by the witness' own admissions, only rape by statute (by law, minors can't consent to sexual contact). I even laughed out loud when one of the women was crying about how traumatizing it was and then proceeded to talk about how she recruited "40-60" girls in exchange for 'referral fees' from Epstein.
Buzz words like "pedophilia" and "sex trafficking" and "child porn" (I guess having sexual pictures of a teenager is now synonymous with "child porn")? The guy was a John and liked young girls. He offered them money for sex. And many of his "victims" were explicitly prostitutes consenting to eating d**k for money, while others consented to sexual acts for life changing personal and professional opportunities, experiences, and out of gratitude (I puked in my mouth just now).
When he was arrested and read the headlines and snippets from media (I didn't know who he was), I thought he was actually having sex with prepubescent girls and actually trafficking girls to his house against their will for Eyes Wide Shut type deranged sex parties with his elitist friends.
An olld man who manipulates and recruits 14 or 15 year olds for sex is absolutely engaging in pedophilia. It is not just a technical term. Anyone who has kids understands how unready 14 or 15 years olds are for sex with manipulative grown ups.
Obviously, I am against exploitation of women of any age for sex, but demeaning and manipulating 14 or 15 year old girls for powerful man to exploit for sex could not be more disgusting or reprehensible.
I don't care if I am being a prude but those people who worked with Epstein could not be punished enough.
calbear93 said:GB4L, I could not disagree with you more here.GBear4Life said:
Am I the only one who can plainly observe Epstein's escapades has been greatly manipulated and exaggerated by media and society?
I watched the Netflix special recently, which was an advocacy piece for the 'victims', and dug deeper into the facts, and there was no rape or nonconsensual activity by the witness' own admissions, only rape by statute (by law, minors can't consent to sexual contact). I even laughed out loud when one of the women was crying about how traumatizing it was and then proceeded to talk about how she recruited "40-60" girls in exchange for 'referral fees' from Epstein.
Buzz words like "pedophilia" and "sex trafficking" and "child porn" (I guess having sexual pictures of a teenager is now synonymous with "child porn")? The guy was a John and liked young girls. He offered them money for sex. And many of his "victims" were explicitly prostitutes consenting to eating d**k for money, while others consented to sexual acts for life changing personal and professional opportunities, experiences, and out of gratitude (I puked in my mouth just now).
When he was arrested and read the headlines and snippets from media (I didn't know who he was), I thought he was actually having sex with prepubescent girls and actually trafficking girls to his house against their will for Eyes Wide Shut type deranged sex parties with his elitist friends.
An olld man who manipulates and recruits 14 or 15 year olds for sex is absolutely engaging in pedophilia. It is not just a technical term. Anyone who has kids understands how unready 14 or 15 years olds are for sex with manipulative grown ups.
Obviously, I am against exploitation of women of any age for sex, but demeaning and manipulating 14 or 15 year old girls for powerful man to exploit for sex could not be more disgusting or reprehensible.
I don't care if I am being a prude but those people who worked with Epstein could not be punished enough.
Is the teacher in that instance a monster? Absolutely. Did he hurt or violate anybody? Yes.GBear4Life said:calbear93 said:GB4L, I could not disagree with you more here.GBear4Life said:
Am I the only one who can plainly observe Epstein's escapades has been greatly manipulated and exaggerated by media and society?
I watched the Netflix special recently, which was an advocacy piece for the 'victims', and dug deeper into the facts, and there was no rape or nonconsensual activity by the witness' own admissions, only rape by statute (by law, minors can't consent to sexual contact). I even laughed out loud when one of the women was crying about how traumatizing it was and then proceeded to talk about how she recruited "40-60" girls in exchange for 'referral fees' from Epstein.
Buzz words like "pedophilia" and "sex trafficking" and "child porn" (I guess having sexual pictures of a teenager is now synonymous with "child porn")? The guy was a John and liked young girls. He offered them money for sex. And many of his "victims" were explicitly prostitutes consenting to eating d**k for money, while others consented to sexual acts for life changing personal and professional opportunities, experiences, and out of gratitude (I puked in my mouth just now).
When he was arrested and read the headlines and snippets from media (I didn't know who he was), I thought he was actually having sex with prepubescent girls and actually trafficking girls to his house against their will for Eyes Wide Shut type deranged sex parties with his elitist friends.
An olld man who manipulates and recruits 14 or 15 year olds for sex is absolutely engaging in pedophilia. It is not just a technical term. Anyone who has kids understands how unready 14 or 15 years olds are for sex with manipulative grown ups.
Obviously, I am against exploitation of women of any age for sex, but demeaning and manipulating 14 or 15 year old girls for powerful man to exploit for sex could not be more disgusting or reprehensible.
I don't care if I am being a prude but those people who worked with Epstein could not be punished enough.
If my 15 yo daughter decided to consent to blow her History teacher -- whatever the reason -- the behavior of the teacher is inappropriate professionally but I don't see how my daughter is not culpable here.
She's not going to be able to come home crying to mom and dad when she, being 15 and not 9, was fully aware of her actions. Teacher is still guilty of rape by statute. Is he a monster? Did he hurt or violate anybody?
Many of the 'victims' wouldn't turn on Epstein because they knew exactly what they were doing -- they all went there as a method of easy money; get exploited by some rich old guy and walk away with $20. Many rejected his advances.
No it is not:calbear93 said:
An old man who manipulates and recruits 14 or 15 year olds for sex is absolutely engaging in pedophilia
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Pedophilia (alternatively spelt paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-Gavin-1][1][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-setovii-2][2][/url]
They exploited each other. In retrospect, many of these women feel like it was an exchange the shouldn't have had to make, or now makes them feel used and manipulated. Minors appropriately get more leeway, but they are not without agency nor without culpability (I know legally they are infantilized, I'm talking morally)Quote:
Obviously, I am against exploitation of women of any age for sex, but demeaning and manipulating 14 or 15 year old girls for powerful man to exploit for sex could not be more disgusting or reprehensible.
Why because you say so? Some of the 'victims' in retrospect clearly do, but many that you do not see in the papers or documentary do not see themselves as victims and took responsibility for their choices. You don't get force somebody else in being a victim.calbear93 said:
Is the teacher in that instance a monster? Absolutely. Did he hurt or violate anybody? Yes.
I observe a tangible -- legal and moral -- discernment between a 9 year old (prepubescent) and a 15 year old.calbear93 said:
Is the teacher in that instance a monster? Absolutely. Did he hurt or violate anybody? Yes.
Two 10 years olds can get into a fight and it is not a crime. A 50 year old beating up a 10 year old is. Adults are supposed to be protectors and allow kids as much as possible to retain their potential and not destroy that for sexual gratification. And while a 15 year old may have "consented", I would question that consent in the same way I would question a consent by a 9 year old. While there is nothing magical about 18, it is just an arbitrary age we had to choose (some may say too young) for women and men to make a decision about their bodies. But why is 15 OK and not 9. The only answer to me is that it is wrong in both and reprehensible in both.
He does seem inclined in that direction. Hope he gets help.GBear4Life said:
Calbear93 -- you've triggered AunBear without even addressing him. You can blame me for that.