I guess this is about as much self-sacrifice as our society (including me) can accept...

We don't go to work (except for those who do) or socialize outside the family, but tens of thousands of people every day go to the supermarket, a sardine-can like environment that also sells cans of sardines (unless they are all bought up), where we touch the shopping carts, the products and the key pads and pass hundreds of other people who are less than six feet away. Most of us probably wash our hands before and after the trip... maybe 70% of us do it without fail? (possibly too high a %?)

Who among us is really -- for twenty days -- eating just what we have stored in our pantries and freezers? I'm not, certainly. Yuk!

So basically, we're doing everything we can to slow the spread of the virus. Well, as long as it's not TOO inconvenient. I get it; this is about the level to which I am on board, as well. But how effective will it be?

How effective is testing without tests?

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How effective is testing without tests?

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Hey, by next month at the latest (or maybe earliest), California (pop. 40 million) will be able to test TEN THOUSAND people a day... or more!!! Please call first, so we know you're coming. Here's the toll-free number: An operator is standing by...

This is still significantly reducing contact between different groups of people, if not a 100% stop to it (which is probably impossible in a place with lots of civil liberties like the USA). Look at how empty the freeways were today. That tells you something.

The perfect is not the enemy of the good.

Yesterday afternoon, walking in the Berkeley hills, there were more folks out than I have ever seen. Most kept well over 6 feet apart, and those who didn't, hugged the edge of the sidewalks. Mostly friendly greetings and nods.

Great Leader is giving himself a ten on handling this situation.

MAGA

Shelter in place makes sense if it is part of a strategy that includes testing, targeting and quarantining in place- similar to what countries with a public health system have done. It then step by step turns large circles into smaller circles. Without that you are banking on either luck or some herd immunity

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Shelter in place makes sense if it is part of a strategy that includes testing, targeting and quarantining in place- similar to what countries with a public health system have done. It then step by step turns large circles into smaller circles. Without that you are banking on either luck or some herd immunity

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Well, NO PROBLEM then, because all I have to do to get tested is call Kaiser's toll free line (a few of you are already laughing, aren't you, well shut up), pass the rigid screening questions and go get tested... and the results should be back in 4-7 days. (I'm not making this up.)

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Shelter in place makes sense if it is part of a strategy that includes testing, targeting and quarantining in place- similar to what countries with a public health system have done. It then step by step turns large circles into smaller circles. Without that you are banking on either luck or some herd immunity

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Well, NO PROBLEM then, because all I have to do to get tested is call Kaiser's toll free line (a few of you are already laughing, aren't you, well shut up), pass the rigid screening questions and go get tested... and the results should be back in 4-7 days. (I'm not making this up.)

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I think the rate at which celebrities, athletes, and politicians are reporting testing positive is telling us something about what the most likely rate of infection actually is for people who have access to testing.

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2 Game of Thrones stars have already tested positive for coronavirus (possibly a third). And the Game of Thrones cast stopped being around each other 6 months ago.

I see very little indication out in public that people are taking this seriously...I see longer lines at the grocery store but that's about it. Poor social distancing, people touching each other, touching commonly touched objects like it's nothing. These half a s s measures to slow the virus WON'T WORK.

My two cents is there was a poster who was talking about everyone having high grade masks making a difference as well as washing your hands endlessly. That sounded like the best advise once we get the masks.

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My two cents is there was a poster who was talking about everyone having high grade make making a difference as well as washing your hands endlessly. That sounded like the best advise once we get the masks.

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Que?

Big C said:

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B.A. Bearacus said:

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How effective is testing without tests?

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Hey, by next month at the latest (or maybe earliest), California (pop. 40 million) will be able to test TEN THOUSAND people a day... or more!!! Please call first, so we know you're coming. Here's the toll-free number: An operator is standing by...

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Caveat: Tests are only available if you have a fever of 103 and have been sick for a week or more and cake into contact from someone from Wuhan.

facts

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Why are homeless people, most of whom screwed their own self and their own lot in life

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So the mentally ill screwed their own self? The economically displaced screwed their own self?

Only the drug addicts fall into the later category and even they deserve some compassion.

Just not Biden and Trump voters.

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Why are homeless people, most of whom screwed their own self and their own lot in life

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So the mentally ill screwed their own self? The economically displaced screwed their own self?

Only the drug addicts fall into the later category and even they deserve some compassion.

Just not Biden and Trump voters.

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Good thing no nation-state or community relies on you for their preservation.

Stop it -- mentally ill is a broad term. Most mentally ill aren't co-dependent, nor does their condition inherently render one's self as co dependent. Drug abuse can make you crazy errrrrr "mentally ill".

Again, the temporary homeless have resources. Spare me the economically displaced. These people are not the people you see on the street.

Drug addicts became drug addicts through choices. Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?

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Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?

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You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.

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Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?

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You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.

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So if it's not a problem YOU deal with it either doesn't exist or isn't a "problem"?

Typical left-wing narcissist

No crack heads where I live, but I did live in SF for 4 years...

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Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?

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You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.

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So if it's not a problem YOU deal with it either doesn't exist or isn't a "problem"?

Typical left-wing narcissist

No crack heads where I live, but I did live in SF for 4 years...

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I'd say the number of meth head squatting in front of houses is fairly low.

In the city? Different situation. Best solution? Arrest them, send them to some place to get off meth that isn't jail.

Professor David Romer said:

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Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?

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You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.

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So if it's not a problem YOU deal with it either doesn't exist or isn't a "problem"?

Typical left-wing narcissist

No crack heads where I live, but I did live in SF for 4 years...

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I'd say the number of meth head squatting in front of houses is fairly low.

In the city? Different situation. Best solution? Arrest them, send them to some place to get off meth that isn't jail.

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Involuntary "rehab" is a form of "prison". Morever the naive assumption that they all want help. IF they wanted help, there are resources they can access voluntarily. But they have rules. And you have to want help.

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Professor David Romer said:

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Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?

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You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.

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So if it's not a problem YOU deal with it either doesn't exist or isn't a "problem"?

Typical left-wing narcissist

No crack heads where I live, but I did live in SF for 4 years...

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I'd say the number of meth head squatting in front of houses is fairly low.

In the city? Different situation. Best solution? Arrest them, send them to some place to get off meth that isn't jail.

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Involuntary "rehab" is a form of "prison". Morever the naive assumption that they all want help. IF they wanted help, there are resources they can access voluntarily. But they have rules. And you have to want help.

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At the point where you're living homeless in the city, you've abandoned your right to choose. You're a public nuisance and a health hazard.

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Professor David Romer said:

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Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?

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You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.

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So if it's not a problem YOU deal with it either doesn't exist or isn't a "problem"?

Typical left-wing narcissist

No crack heads where I live, but I did live in SF for 4 years...

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I'd say the number of meth head squatting in front of houses is fairly low.

In the city? Different situation. Best solution? Arrest them, send them to some place to get off meth that isn't jail.

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Involuntary "rehab" is a form of "prison". Morever the naive assumption that they all want help. IF they wanted help, there are resources they can access voluntarily. But they have rules. And you have to want help.

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At the point where you're living homeless in the city, you've abandoned your right to choose. You're a public nuisance and a health hazard.

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Correct. I agree. So you segregate them from the community -- with a prison of one form or another. Rehab won't be the appropriate solution for an overwhelming majority of these folks because if they wanted help -- and life off the streets -- they could have gotten it voluntarily.

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GBear4Life said:

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Professor David Romer said:

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GBear4Life said:

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Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?

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You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.

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So if it's not a problem YOU deal with it either doesn't exist or isn't a "problem"?

Typical left-wing narcissist

No crack heads where I live, but I did live in SF for 4 years...

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I'd say the number of meth head squatting in front of houses is fairly low.

In the city? Different situation. Best solution? Arrest them, send them to some place to get off meth that isn't jail.

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Involuntary "rehab" is a form of "prison". Morever the naive assumption that they all want help. IF they wanted help, there are resources they can access voluntarily. But they have rules. And you have to want help.

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At the point where you're living homeless in the city, you've abandoned your right to choose. You're a public nuisance and a health hazard.

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Correct. I agree. So you segregate them from the community -- with a prison of one form or another.

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Until they're off the meth. Then you have to figure out how to reintegrate without them repeating the cycle.

Professor Harold Hill said:

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Professor Harold Hill said:

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Professor David Romer said:

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Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?

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You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.

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So if it's not a problem YOU deal with it either doesn't exist or isn't a "problem"?

Typical left-wing narcissist

No crack heads where I live, but I did live in SF for 4 years...

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I'd say the number of meth head squatting in front of houses is fairly low.

In the city? Different situation. Best solution? Arrest them, send them to some place to get off meth that isn't jail.

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Involuntary "rehab" is a form of "prison". Morever the naive assumption that they all want help. IF they wanted help, there are resources they can access voluntarily. But they have rules. And you have to want help.

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At the point where you're living homeless in the city, you've abandoned your right to choose. You're a public nuisance and a health hazard.

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Correct. I agree. So you segregate them from the community -- with a prison of one form or another.

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Until they're off the meth. Then you have to figure out how to reintegrate without them repeating the cycle.

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They won't be. That's the point. If they're mentally healthy, what do you mean reintegrate them into society? That's on them. Left wingers treat drug addicts like minorities: weak, invariably co-dependent.

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Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?

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You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.

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Yes, and when that changes you will change your tune in a Wuhan minute.

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Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?

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You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.

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Yes, and when that changes you will change your tune in a Wuhan minute.

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Nah. My tunes stay incredibly consistent. Unlike Elizabeth Warren.

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Every once in a while I think that maybe this administration is turning the corner and finally starting to make responsible decisions during this crisis, but then something like this happens.

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GBear4Life said:

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Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?

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You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.

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Yes, and when that changes you will change your tune in a Wuhan minute.

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Left-wing narcissists don't care about the adverse impacts of their "virtue" and "compassion" -- because they always adversely impact other people and other communities.

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Professor Harold Hill said:

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Professor David Romer said:

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GBear4Life said:

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Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?

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You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.

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So if it's not a problem YOU deal with it either doesn't exist or isn't a "problem"?

Typical left-wing narcissist

No crack heads where I live, but I did live in SF for 4 years...

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I'd say the number of meth head squatting in front of houses is fairly low.

In the city? Different situation. Best solution? Arrest them, send them to some place to get off meth that isn't jail.

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Involuntary "rehab" is a form of "prison". Morever the naive assumption that they all want help. IF they wanted help, there are resources they can access voluntarily. But they have rules. And you have to want help.

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At the point where you're living homeless in the city, you've abandoned your right to choose. You're a public nuisance and a health hazard.

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Correct. I agree. So you segregate them from the community -- with a prison of one form or another.

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Until they're off the meth. Then you have to figure out how to reintegrate without them repeating the cycle.

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They won't be. That's the point. If they're mentally healthy, what do you mean reintegrate them into society? That's on them. Left wingers treat drug addicts like minorities: weak, invariably co-dependent.

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So are you suggesting life sentences for being homeless?

As for a prison "of one sort or another," there's already a model for that: Germany in the 30's - 40's.