AunBear89 said:
Waiting for GB4L or bearlyamazing or Bear Force2 to come and tell us why this shooting is justified and that the rednecks in both pickup trucks are American Patriots...
"Conservatives" will claim the thug with the shotgun was defending himself, and the pair had reasonable grounds (racial profiling) to suspect him of criminal activity. They will deny racism and pervasive LE corruption as factors in either the decision by the armed men to attack the kid or the failure to prosecute the killers. Later in other conversations they will affirm that society would be safer if everyone carried guns all of the time.AunBear89 said:
Waiting for GB4L or bearlyamazing or Bear Force2 to come and tell us why this shooting is justified and that the rednecks in both pickup trucks are American Patriots...
You and those who starred your post are quite possibly just as inhumane and disgusting as those rednecks but we already knew that. It's only a matter of time before you do something similar if you haven't done so already.AunBear89 said:
Waiting for GB4L or bearlyamazing or Bear Force2 to come and tell us why this shooting is justified and that the rednecks in both pickup trucks are American Patriots...
Not surprised they were indicted. I will be surprised if they're convictedAnarchistbear said:
Father and son arrested for murder. Don't take your guns to town, son.
GBear4Life said:
Why is she lying? He was killed for attacking a man. The two men are being charged because you can't chase down and confront a suspect with a weapon on public property, no matter how honest and innocent your intentions. Ahmaud killed himself by engaging in a fight, but he probably knew if he let the men hold him until the police came he would be spending the night in prison.
LOL you're asserting that he started a fist fight with a guy who had a gun and whose friend had a gun because he was scared for his life? Don't make your bias so obvious. You don't have to lie and spin and exaggerate the facts and circumstances of this incident like you're MSM to make a valid legal argument that an indictment is justified here.okaydo said:GBear4Life said:
Why is she lying? He was killed for attacking a man. The two men are being charged because you can't chase down and confront a suspect with a weapon on public property, no matter how honest and innocent your intentions. Ahmaud killed himself by engaging in a fight, but he probably knew if he let the men hold him until the police came he would be spending the night in prison.
So if somebody points a gun at you, and you fight back out of fear for your life, you're the attacker?
GBear4Life said:LOL you're asserting that he started a fist fight with a guy who had a gun and whose friend had a gun because he was scared for his life? Don't make your bias so obvious. You don't have to lie and spin and exaggerate the facts and circumstances of this incident like you're MSM to make a valid legal argument that an indictment is justified here.okaydo said:GBear4Life said:
Why is she lying? He was killed for attacking a man. The two men are being charged because you can't chase down and confront a suspect with a weapon on public property, no matter how honest and innocent your intentions. Ahmaud killed himself by engaging in a fight, but he probably knew if he let the men hold him until the police came he would be spending the night in prison.
So if somebody points a gun at you, and you fight back out of fear for your life, you're the attacker?
There's no one correct way to respond to something like that, but I know if I were an innocent man on a jog and two guy with guns in a very fierce manner commanded I stop to talk. I wouldn't think I, as an unarmed man, should run into them and challenge them to a fight and tear their shotgun away from them. I'd probably hear what they had to say.
But if I were somebody who had broken into numerous homes and just heard a civilian call the police on me for trespassing onto private property and I was on probation and didn't want to go to jail, I might take some risks and make a run for it.
They tried to stop him numerous times. If I'm not mistaken, what was caught on videotape was not their first attempt to stop him. I totally get the grand jury and the indictment. The spinning of the facts and circumstances to assert "racism" and two men with the intent to murder a black man is demonstrably false. You can refute this propaganda AND still justify a moral and legal disapproval of the two men's conduct.
The LOL was at YOU and your egregious assertion. I absolutely would be scared. I wouldn't feel the urge to essentially commit suicide.okaydo said:
Sorry. I just assumed it would be natural if 2 guys were following you and threatening you with guys, you'd be scared for your life. I didn't think it'd be a funny response. But LOL!
I don't know what's "correct", but I know what not to do is to challenge two men with firearms to a fight -- IF self-interest is my goal. I don't compound a problem by walking straight into a wall and pound my head against it. I think his aggression there was ill advised and it'd be tough to argue otherwise, in my view. For the same reason I wouldn't attack two policemen who cornered me with their guns pointed at me, no matter how unreasonable they were being. But remember, this is coming from a perspective of someone who in these hypothetical scenario is innocent. I'd assume LE was making a mistake and confused me for a suspect who had committed a crime.Quote:
So if two armed men are threatening you with guns, and you fear for your life, the correct response is to sotp and have a friendly chat and try to reason with them?
That's odd. Again, you're just not being very honest here. They were confronting a suspect of burglary to apprehend him until LE arrived. They did it in an ill advised and arguably an illegal manner.Quote:
By the way, can i have your address? I just want to see how you'd react if I send my friends with some rifles to stalk you on the street.
GBear4Life said:The LOL was at YOU and your egregious assertion. I absolutely would be scared. I wouldn't feel the urge to essentially commit suicide.okaydo said:
Sorry. I just assumed it would be natural if 2 guys were following you and threatening you with guys, you'd be scared for your life. I didn't think it'd be a funny response. But LOL!I don't know what's "correct", but I know what not to do is to challenge two men with firearms to a fight -- IF self-interest is my goal. I don't compound a problem by walking straight into a wall and pound my head against it. I think his aggression there was ill advised and it'd be tough to argue otherwise, in my view. For the same reason I wouldn't attack two policemen who cornered me with their guns pointed at me, no matter how unreasonable they were being. But remember, this is coming from a perspective of someone who in these hypothetical scenario is innocent. I'd assume LE was making a mistake and confused me for a suspect who had committed a crime.Quote:
So if two armed men are threatening you with guns, and you fear for your life, the correct response is to sotp and have a friendly chat and try to reason with them?That's odd. Again, you're just not being very honest here. They were confronting a suspect of burglary to apprehend him until LE arrived. They did it in an ill advised and arguably an illegal manner.Quote:
By the way, can i have your address? I just want to see how you'd react if I send my friends with some rifles to stalk you on the street.
The normal reaction, it seems to me, is to be scared. Not to belligerently initiate a physical altercation with two people who would be "justified" in shooting me. It's a scenario I could not win.
Dude you're projecting the most convenient narrative for you. You're presuming, without any reasoned evidence, that they conveyed they wanted to stop him for the sake of killing him. They didn't need to get out of their vehicles to kill him. They weren't trying to get away with a homicide. They tried to stop him multiple times and shouted to him "we want to talk to you". There is no reason to think Ahmued thought he was going to get killed. Aside from this, fist fighting two men with guns is not fighting for your life. It's called committing suicide. But that's moot because the premise you set up -- that it was two men whose intent was to murder him, and that they conveyed that to him and he knew it -- was ridiculous.okaydo said:
The normal reaction is to fight back because these 2 dudes are about to kill you. You fight back. Or you become a sitting duck and be shot dead. You fight back because you're scared that 2 people have guns on you. You fight back because it's your only chance to make it out alive. His reaction of self defense from 2 people threatening to kill him is the "normal" one.
GBear4Life said:Dude you're projecting the most convenient narrative for you. You're presuming, without any reasoned evidence, that they conveyed they wanted to stop him for the sake of killing him. They didn't need to get out of their vehicles to kill him. They weren't trying to get away with a homicide. They tried to stop him multiple times and shouted to him "we want to talk to you". There is no reason to think Ahmued thought he was going to get killed. Aside from this, fist fighting two men with guns is not fighting for your life. It's called committing suicide. But that's moot because the premise you set up -- that it was two men whose intent was to murder him, and that they conveyed that to him and he knew it -- was ridiculous.okaydo said:
The normal reaction is to fight back because these 2 dudes are about to kill you. You fight back. Or you become a sitting duck and be shot dead. You fight back because you're scared that 2 people have guns on you. You fight back because it's your only chance to make it out alive. His reaction of self defense from 2 people threatening to kill him is the "normal" one.
He knew what they wanted to confront him about. He had just trespassed a property in the neighborhood. They declared they wanted to talk to them when they could have popped a cap in his arse and they could have NOT called the Police if their intent was to get away with murder.okaydo said:
If 2 guys were stalking you with guns, it's a perfectly normal to assume they are 1) threatening you and 2) want to kill you.
You're the one who's projecting their innocent intentions.
Pointing guns at somebody is a threat.
Trying to stop somebody who is threatening you with a lethal weapon is defending yourself and is indeed fighting for your life.
GBear4Life said:He knew what they wanted to confront him about. He had just trespassed a property in the neighborhood. They declared they wanted to talk to them when they could have popped a cap in his arse and they could have NOT called the Police if their intent was to get away with murder.okaydo said:
If 2 guys were stalking you with guns, it's a perfectly normal to assume they are 1) threatening you and 2) want to kill you.
You're the one who's projecting their innocent intentions.
Pointing guns at somebody is a threat.
Trying to stop somebody who is threatening you with a lethal weapon is defending yourself and is indeed fighting for your life.
You can make these assertions all you want to demonize the white racist archetype and eulogize the black sweet boy archetype so you can unleash your animus and affirm your own racial ideology but it doesn't change the legal realities. The two men arguably were breaking the law by trying to apprehend a suspect of a crime and now a jury will determine if they are liable for Ahmeud's death.
I see you've pivoted to a different aspect of the story -- LE's handling of the situation -- once you discovered your needless propagandizing of the incident wasn't allowed to sit unchecked.okaydo said:GBear4Life said:
He knew what they wanted to confront him about. He had just trespassed a property in the neighborhood. They declared they wanted to talk to them when they could have popped a cap in his arse and they could have NOT called the Police if their intent was to get away with murder.
You can make these assertions all you want to demonize the white racist archetype and eulogize the black sweet boy archetype so you can unleash your animus and affirm your own racial ideology but it doesn't change the legal realities. The two men arguably were breaking the law by trying to apprehend a suspect of a crime and now a jury will determine if they are liable for Ahmeud's death.
Both men are literally part of the law enforcement community. And they literally almost got away with murder because of who they are.
Under normal circumstances, they should've been arrested on the spot.
But it took nearly 3 months because they knew they could get away with murder.
Until that video got out.
And then it became a national story with everybody from Taylor Swift to President Trump weighing in.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/ahmaud-arbery-arrest-prosecutors-grand-jury.html