Let slip the dogs of WAR!

Who else is going to the first football game?

dajo9 said:

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LMAO! Usually we would save the people wearing chicken costumes for when he procrastinates on scheduling debates, but it might just be time to break them out now, for when he comes out of his bunker and looks out the window (or turns on CNN).

bearister said:

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George Will: There is no such thing as rock bottom for Trump. Assume the worst is yet to come. - The Washington Post


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/no-one-should-want-four-more-years-of-this-taste-of-ashes/2020/06/01/1a80ecf4-a425-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

" The nation's downward spiral into acrimony and sporadic anarchy has had many causes much larger than the small man who is the great exacerbator of them. Most of the causes predate his presidency, and most will survive its January terminus. The measures necessary for restoration of national equilibrium are many and will be protracted far beyond his removal. One such measure must be the removal of those in Congress who, unlike the sycophantic mediocrities who cosset him in the White House, will not disappear "magically," as Eric Trump said the coronavirus would. Voters must dispatch his congressional enablers, especially the senators who still gambol around his ankles with a canine hunger for petting."

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This sounds like something bearister would write.

bearister said:

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George Will: There is no such thing as rock bottom for Trump. Assume the worst is yet to come. - The Washington Post

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George bounced memory back to a decent novel (by a fine author), the cover shown above, w/revisitation of historical belief in a flat earth.

two wikipedia snips..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_All_the_Way_Down_(novel)

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..1854 transcript of remarks by preacher Joseph Frederick Berg addressed to Joseph Barker:

My opponent's reasoning reminds me of the heathen, who, being asked on what the world stood, replied, "On a tortoise." But on what does the tortoise stand? "On another tortoise." With Mr. Barker, too, there are tortoises all the way down. (Vehement and vociferous applause.)
"Second Evening: Remarks of Rev. Dr. Berg

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where were we now? doesn't matter, with this president the only answer is turtles stacked all the way down.

Bobodeluxe said:

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Let slip the dogs of WAR!

Who else is going to the first football game?

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if covid creak don't rise

blungld said:

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Krugman's opinion piece today summed things up as well as I have seen:

"The core story of U.S. politics over the past four decades is that wealthy elites weaponized white racism to gain political power, which they used to pursue policies that enriched the already wealthy at workers' expense. Until Trump's rise it was possible barely for people to deny this reality with a straight face. At this point, however, it requires willful blindness not to see what's going on."

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"So what has Trump really offered to the white working class that makes up most of his base? Basically, he has provided affirmation and cover for racial hostility."

This might be true, but we need to understand why that hostility exists. In the South, I think it is easy to explain away given history. However, George Floyd wasn't killed in Birmingham, Alabama. He was killed by a police officer in Minnesota. This isn't really about race as much as it is about the class divide. Minorities are easy targets for the dwindling middle class to target for their woes. Trump is their champion because the Democrats, while well-meaning, still don't completely understand that people - millions of people - are angry and scared that minorities are taking away their livelihoods whether it be through providing services for illegal immigrants, outsourcing jobs to Asia and India, or entitlements for inner city minorities. So Trump, while flawed, is all they have to latch onto to fight against what they see as a loss of power and status in an increasingly global economy.

As disenfranchised as these mostly middle class whites are, they still wield considerable power compared to minorities. Trump's rhetoric and lies have emboldened them to be openly hostile to their fellow Americans - not just minorities, but women and really anyone with different viewpoints. In this environment the people who feel most powerless are finally lashing out at those which they perceive to be their abusers, which is corporate America and its puppets: the police and politicians. When a person steals lingerie from Victoria's Secret it's not because he is trying to turn a profit on it. He's just giving corporate America the middle finger. The police are only involved because they are the lapdogs of the elite.

As the country crumbles the Dow keeps rising, buoyed by trillions of dollars - our taxpayer dollars. People are told to get back to work because "the economy" needs them, but they aren't being given the ability to do that safely. Never before in my lifetime has it been so blatantly obvious that our lives are expendable as long as the elite retains power. Sure, we've had race riots before, but right now we are sitting on a powder keg. Supply chains are broken, fringe elements on the right and left are openly confronting the government, our freedoms have been restricted in the name of public safety, and now there is rioting on the streets as these factors coincide.

These riots - and I agree with the right on this that these are riots and not protests - are grounded in this class warfare that our politicians have promoted. Donald Trump is the worst offender, but he's not unique in that regard. He's just lacking a filter which good politicians must have - and Trump is not and has never been a politician, let alone a good one.

He's also an extremely unpopular President who was elected with the minority of the vote and yet who governs as if he is speaking for the majority of Americans. The majority of Americans hate his guts. Donald Trump is right to shelter in his bunker, because - right or not - if he is caught out in the streets he would be torn limb from limb by an angry mob and his head put on a pike. I literally think that is what would happen.

As the President he needs to do something constructive, because right now all I hear from him is that he will fight violence with violence. I'm not holding my breath. Eventually, like COVID-19, these riots will lose momentum on their own. What those of us who disagree with the way this country is being managed right now need to do is make sure that we channel that energy into this November's election to not only remove Trump from power, but also every single politician no matter the party who is looking out for himself and his corporate masters instead of for the rest of us Americans - with special emphasis on those who have enabled Trump for their own gain.

I completely and totally disagree with the nature of these riots, although I support peaceful protests (and there have been many). However, I am optimistic that all this negative energy will bring about some real positive change in the year to come. History has shown, though, that the outrage is fleeting and that people fighting against a system don't work from within it to change it because they don't trust it. I hope that is different this time.

I don't know about you. But I am proud of what my president accomplished on Monday.

okaydo said:

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I don't know about you. But I am proud of what my president accomplished on Monday.

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Rioters should get their asses kicked good for them.

BearForce2 said:

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Rioters should get their asses kicked good for them.

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I don't know about that. I mean, I doubt many of your buddies have the same anal fetish that you have.

They were blocking a raw dogger of porn stars from getting his church on.

Trump's action was criticized by the bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, which includes St. John's.
"I was not informed," the Rev. Mariann Budde told Brian Wiliams on MSNBC. "We were given no warning ... He was preceded by a violent clearing of nonviolent protesters to make his way. And he was using our church as a backdrop, and the Bible as a prop, in ways that I found to be deeply offensive....

... Standing alone outside St. John's Church, Trump held up a black-covered Bible.

He didn't talk about George Floyd, the church or the damage it had suffered.
At one point, he stopped and pumped his fist in the air at National Guard members in the distance.

"We're going to keep it nice and safe," he said." Axios

My President leading the nation forward

Divider in chief.

His law and order message will far better received than is perceived on this site.

You know both those guys are idiot ******bags, right? It's sad that that's supposedly the best we've got right now

BearForce2 said:

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okaydo said:

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I don't know about you. But I am proud of what my president accomplished on Monday.

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Rioters should get their asses kicked good for them.

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Yeah, screw those . . . priests?

BearNIt said:

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My President doesn't clear the park using bullets and munitions to go looking for 2 Corinthians.

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At this point, Trump would probably settle for 1 Corinthian if he can't find 2 of them.

wifeisafurd said:

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Divider in chief.

His law and order message will far better received than is perceived on this site.

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We all have our bubbles. We all see things based on our peers. IMO, your generation still expects that following generations will ultimately view things the way yours does. I think that it may be better received among your peers, but not nearly so much among mine and definitely not among those younger than me. No major leader has taken the line to go out and shoot protesters. The views of law enforcement in the 60's have been rejected as ineffective for decades. I don't think Gen-X and younger are going to be nearly as susceptible to this message than you think.

I could definitely be wrong. We shall see.

OaktownBear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Divider in chief.

His law and order message will far better received than is perceived on this site.

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We all have our bubbles. We all see things based on our peers. IMO, your generation still expects that following generations will ultimately view things the way yours does. I think that it may be better received among your peers, but not nearly so much among mine and definitely not among those younger than me. No major leader has taken the line to go out and shoot protesters. The views of law enforcement in the 60's have been rejected as ineffective for decades. I don't think Gen-X and younger are going to be nearly as susceptible to this message than you think.

I could definitely be wrong. We shall see.

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I'm assuming we can agree that he gave an incredibly divisive speech?

As to your main point, for the last decade I kept hearing that demographic changes will mean a change in government and policy, and yet here we are. My favorite is demographic changes will make Texas a blue state - heard that one for 20 years plus running now. The generation discussion is strange. The generation above me was in the streets demonstrating in college against war and social injustice, yet they have turned conservative. We were not exactly a conservative bastion when I went to Cal, but again wherever my generation (whatever it is called - trail or post boomers?) also became more conservative. I mean I have black and gay friends who voted for Trump. so yes we all have bubbles and generational stuff.

As for the younger - and I assume younger voters are you talking about, let me quote Churchill: "If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain."

The question for you is do our voting patterns really change drastically as we age and if that's the case, will Millennials be the generation that bucks the trend by not becoming more conservative as they get older?

Some Pew stuff since I know you ardently read polls:

"In 2007, 68 percent of that generation's respondents wanted "a bigger government providing more services." That number for Millennials dipped to 57 percent ten years later still the largest percentage among any demographic, but also the only generation to show a decreased interest in the idea of bigger government.
Following other generations, Millennials are also more likely to say it's important to protect the rights of Americans to own guns than to control gun ownership (27 percent in 2007, 43 percent in 2017). As well, support for government aid for the needy has decreased, although support for gay marriage, marijuana legalization and abortion has increased for Millennials over the past ten years. Somewhat of a mixed bag on the wedge issue. The generation still leans more Democratic. That mixed bag may reflect the increased racial and ethnic diversity in younger generations 40 percent of Millennials are non-white, the highest share among the adult generations. So I don't know either.

But I suspect there is a large portion of the population this played very well with, as well as those impacted directly by the rioting and looting. There are a lot more of Hankie's pictures than those shown by Okaydo on the internet. TV was absurd. Two nights ago all they showed on every LA station was revolving shots of violent demonstrators and property burning. For hours. Maybe there is a more diverse view on public radio (thought they had a lot of angry callers about the police not protecting their cities from rioters). Let me repspectfully submit to you this site is not representative.

I tend to think wiaf is right about how this is all viewed by the public. Otoh, if the youth are made more mobilized to vote, that could carry the day in November.

As for the 1960s protests - the Baby Boomers have always been about themselves. They weren't in the streets because of the war, they were in the streets because of the draft.